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The recent history has been added to. However these are activities that occured in the 1980s and 1990s ( post Sobhuza era ). More still needs to be added such as the constitutional review commission and other events. A new section on the 2000s needs to be created as well. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ludvonga (talk • contribs) 23:31, 25 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Requested move 23 October 2018

The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Moved to "Eswatini" titles per the outcome of the move request at Talk:Eswatini. bd2412 T 01:22, 1 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

– Consistency (WP:CONSISTENCY) with new page name (which has been deliberated over and successfully moved from Swaziland to eSwatini). Per the previous (speedily-moved) requested move for Flag of Swaziland to ...eSwatini, moving the pages to be consistent with the country's article title doesn't seem to be controversial. (Also, REDIRECTS should be created from the alternate capitalization of "Eswatini" for each of these pages.) There's also a bunch of categories with "Swaziland" in the name that would need to be moved to match the pages. Paintspot Infez (talk) 15:58, 23 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Support - Pretty surprised that move actually made it through. Well done to those that made it through the inferno. Don't forget to move all categories also. --Gonnym (talk) 16:26, 23 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Nominator's comment - Yep, many categories with "Swaziland" in the name (like Category:Swaziland) also need to be moved, and redirects (with the alt caps of "Eswatini") would need to be additionally created for every page. Paintspot Infez (talk) 16:33, 23 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Paintspot: Noticed List of National Monuments of Swaziland and Cuisine of Swaziland missing from the list. --Gonnym (talk) 10:02, 24 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks! Added "Cuisine of Swaziland" - nice catch! I'd probably want to come back to "List of National Monuments of Swaziland". There's a few others (like Parliament, Senate, House of Assembly, List of Prime Ministers, etc.) that I'd probably want to have a separate request for, as it's not clear whether "Parliament of Swaziland" is the official name of (or just a description of) the government body, etc. Paintspot Infez (talk) 12:09, 24 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Support Cptmrmcmillan (talk) 16:30, 23 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Support This really just needs to be done, without the debate now the main article has been moved. Lugnuts ^{Fire Walk with Me} 16:59, 23 October 2018 (UTC)--John B123 (talk) 17:32, 23 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Support - Now the main country page has been moved to eSwatini, all other pages need to be moved to reflect this. I am also very surprised the name change made it given the opposition to Côte d'Ivoire and Timor-Leste.
Strong oppose. The WP:COMMONNAME is clearly Swaziland, not "eSwatini". Furthermore, "eSwatini" clearly violates English spelling rules and is not an English name (at the very least it would have to be spelled Eswatini). Are we going to move other countries to their local forms, e.g. Deutschland, Polska, Latvija, or does this (new) privilege to impose local forms in English language usage only apply to African countries? --Tataral (talk) 18:28, 23 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
- eSwatini has English an official language which makes this very different from those cases. English has many words with unusual capitalisation - a nearby case is KwaZulu-Natal. Timrollpickering 19:37, 23 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  - The fact that the English language has an official status in Swaziland, like in countless other countries, doesn't give Swaziland any authority over the English language, on a global scale. English is widely spoken in most European countries, to the extent that it could even be said to enjoy a semi-official status not that different from the status the language has in various African countries where the vast majority have other native languages. --Tataral (talk) 10:39, 24 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Nominator's comment - while you raise good points, these moves are JUST for CONSISTENCY with the new page title (that's already been/being discussed thoroughly). These moves are just for consistency with the current article title. That's it. Paintspot Infez (talk) 12:22, 24 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Support per the move of the main article which is the place to debate the name instead of imposing inconsistency across the encyclopedia. Timrollpickering 19:37, 23 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. I would oppose any move of the historical articles. It has been known as Swaziland for most of its history. Using its new name in historical articles is revisionism and we don't do that. -- Necrothesp (talk) 14:19, 24 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Propose putting this request ON HOLD until the matter of the spelling of the name is dealt with at Talk:eSwatini. See the discussion there. RGloucester — ☎ 20:27, 24 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
- I agree; it looks like the name eSwatini will be history very shortly, as far as the country's main article is concerned, judging by the comments so far. --Tataral (talk) 08:40, 25 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
If accepted, someone better write a temporary bot or script to make all those page moves. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 03:57, 25 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Procedural oppose per RGloucester; let's wait until the consensus on capitalization is clearer as there's a follow-up discussion on that ongoing. power~enwiki (π, ν) 21:54, 25 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. Way too soon. The common name is still Swaziland.--Darwinek (talk) 12:04, 28 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Support ~~/ Wait for a consensus on whether to use "eSwatini" or "Eswatini"~~ Per the consensus to rename the country article we're in dire need of consistency. This is not the place to discuss if it meets COMMONNAME because we already had that discussion at Eswatini (and several time). ~~However, there is an active discussion regarding whether to use eSwatini or Eswatini, and the outcome of that discussion will affect how we act here.~~ Brendon the Wizard ✉️ ✨ 14:47, 28 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: The main article is Eswatini now; not eSwatini. I just closed the eSwatini→Eswatini proposal; consensus was clearly in favor. Waiting for an admin to do the actual move per a request at WP:RM/TR. Clearly that decision/move affects what's happening here. I think it's safe to interpret any support for eSwatini here to be support for Eswatini. You could close and start over, but I don't think that's necessary. --В²C ☎ 20:26, 31 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
- The move is done; it's Eswatini now. --В²C ☎ 23:03, 31 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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