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William Atticus Parker

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This article should be deleted. The article highlights his film career, but his career is WP:TOOSOON. He has had three uncredited TV roles, one credited TV role 3 years ago, one uncredited movie role, and two credited movie roles. It is premature to give this actor a Wikipedia article. The article does not demonstrate GNG with its sources and it is reasonable to assume someone with such a small filmography could not meet that standard (yet). While his parents are two very talented actors, but notability is not inherited. Mpen320 (talk) 14:42, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Actors and filmmakers-related deletion discussions. Mpen320 (talk) 15:00, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Television-related deletion discussions. Mpen320 (talk) 15:00, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of New York-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 15:37, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: meets WP:DIRECTOR as director of at least 2 notablle feature films, so that deletion is not necessary in my opinion. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 18:44, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Reply. The criteria for WP:DIRECTOR to which I believe you are alluding is the person has created or played a major role in co-creating a significant or well-known work or collective body of work. In addition, such work must have been the primary subject of multiple independent periodical articles or reviews, or of an independent and notable work (for example, a book, film, or television series, but usually not a single episode of a television series). Neither of his films has been covered in this way. The films do not show up on the Box Office Mojo grossing lists. Forty Winks is an 80 minute movie (barely a feature) and has four reviews on Rotten Tomatoes. Atrabilious, which is at least a full length film, has a whopping five. For context, Paddington 2 has 251 reviews. Neither film's gross shows up on Box Office Mojo, so they were not widely released. Depending on what one can find about Atrabilious, it would be just one single thing and still not meet WP:GNG. --Mpen320 (talk) 19:38, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, his films have received coverage the way that is required. Yes, it is less than Paddington 2, which received less than Citizen Kane..... -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 20:23, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

And 80 minutes is CLEARLY not barely the duration of a feature film (>40 or 58 min), btw. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 20:29, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

And also Wp: Oneevent does NOT apply to artists and their work, whereas Wp:Director DOES apply even if one film is concerned (and here you have 2, anyway). -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 20:31, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Then you should be able to demonstrate that coverage by providing links in your responses. Also, I assume at this point I am being trolled because Citizen Kane has 134 critics reviews on Rotten Tomatoes. That is such an unnecessary lie.--Mpen320 (talk) 20:37, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Are you being serious??? I'm telling you Citizen Kane received more coverage than Paddington 2 , which everyone knows, and you feel compelled to check the number of comments on Rotten Tomatoes and call that "trolling" and a lie??? Just educate yourself. I will make no further comments. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 20:50, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I can see now that I 1) got a little too wrapped up in this and 2) should have not read your thing so literally (i.e. more not equalling more reviews, but rather general SIGCOV). If you have any sources, as I said, please provide.--Mpen320 (talk) 21:15, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. Leaving this here: Wikipedia:An article about yourself isn't necessarily a good thing— Preceding unsigned comment added by Mpen320 (talk • contribs)

I am not sure this comment is necessary, given the page history. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 20:23, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I leave this on all pages where I get pushback on deletions.--Mpen320 (talk) 20:37, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment As creator of this article, I’m humble either way if it gets kept or deleted. I also want to say that I find it interesting about the WP:TOOSOON argument considering that the two films Parker directed were released while he was still a teenager. The Film Creator (talk) 16:11, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Reply. An explicit call out to that in the article would help the case of anyone seeking to keep it and makes a much better argument than any of the above. Ultimately, it does not change my vote as I think neither films has gotten the coverage to warrant the director having an article nor do I think the director meeting GNG.--Mpen320 (talk) 18:29, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

No @Mpen320, if the two films meets our guidelines for films (WP:NFILM), then the director may be notable per WP:NDIRECTOR. It doesn't matter how short the article appears to be insofar as Wikipedian keeps WP:STUBS. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 11:04, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Doczilla _{Ohhhhhh, no!} 18:50, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: Sources 4 and 6 are about the director, 4 is rather short though. 6 is good. Oaktree b (talk) 21:05, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
weak keep: Also coverage of a film of his in Playbill, [1]. Critical notice is about all you can ask for to meet director notability requirements. Oaktree b (talk) 21:08, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: Meets WP:NDIRECTOR as he has directed two notable films. I see this as a great stub article although more sources added to the article would be good. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 11:02, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I can see one film as POSSIBLY notable given its cast. The other one I'm struggling to see as notable. I make that point in my nomination.--Mpen320 (talk) 14:43, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]