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October 27

Johnny Bananas season of the nickname

What was the first season of The Challenge that Johnny Devenanzio was referred to as Johnny Bananas? (78.18.160.168 (talk) 00:38, 27 October 2024 (UTC))[reply]

Devenanzio earned the nickname "Johnny Bananas" during his time in college at Penn State. Because of his crazy antics at PSU, friends and classmates would often comment that his pranks were "bananas" and the nickname stuck. 68.187.174.155 (talk) 18:26, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ok so this was before his first season of The Challenge? (78.18.160.168 (talk) 01:18, 1 November 2024 (UTC))[reply]

First attestation of octave equivalence in the use of letters A to G as notes of music?

What's the first attestation of |A, B, C, D, E, F, G, a, b, c, d, e, f, g, aa, bb, cc, dd, ee, ff, gg| as notes of music (or any other system based on the letters A to G that assumes octave equivalence)? What's the first attestation of the low Γ (Gamma) added below the low A? What's the first attestation of the round b and round bb (minuscules; no round capital B) to refer to B flat in the middle and high octaves? (No B flat and so no round capital B in the low octave, at least in the Guidonian system, since there cannot be a solmization hexachord that contains it, but other theorists possibly did accept a low B flat).

Boethius mentioned in Letter notation does not assume octave equivalence. His notation uses A to P for a two octaves system, the first octave (starting at our note A) being: |A, B, C, D, E, F, G, H| and the second octave being: |H, I, K, L, M, N, O, P|. (There was no letter J yet). Our note A is notated A or H or P depending on the octave. So Boethius is not the answer to my query.

178.51.16.158 (talk) 18:59, 27 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The American Cyclopaedia (1883) calls it "St. Gregory's Notation", "that of Pope Gregory in the 6th century".^[1] A Dictionary of Music and Musicians (1895) confusingly states that this system was formed "[b]efore the 6th century, certainly during the time of Gregory the Great".^[2] (Pope Gregory I's reign was from 590 to 604.) However, The Cambridge Companion to Medieval Music (2011) dismisses this claim, stating there is "no direct evidence of chant notation until around the middle of the ninth century".^[3] --Lambiam 06:36, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

See Helmholtz pitch notation? --136.56.165.118 (talk) 13:53, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Dialogus de musica (c. 11th c.) is a music treatise formerly attributed to Odo of Arezzo. The Cambridge History of Western Music Theory (2002) describes innovations in letter notation introduced in this treatise, referring to its author as "Pseudo-Odo", as follows:

Pseudo-Odo names these notes (except for gamma) with the same octave-based series of Latin letters that we still use today (A—G). He also introduces two graphic conventions that remained in use well beyond the end of the Middle Ages: the use of capital, lower-case, and doubled lowercase letters to differentiate octave related notes (A—G, a—g, aa); and the use of two forms of the letter “b” for the two pitches available as alternative forms of the “ninth step”: the “square b” (b quadratum), written ♮ as the symbol for “hard b” (b durum), our “b-natural,” and “round b” (b rotundum), written ♭ as the symbol for “soft b” (b molle), our “b-flat.” (The modern symbols for “flat,” “natural,” and “sharp” derive from these.) See Table 11.7. Guido keeps all of this, and adds four more notes above aa, notated as ♭♭/♮♮ cc, and dd. The note ee was later added to complete a hexachord on g (see below).^[4]

Historically, it would be better to refer to the letters as majuscules and minuscules, as this predates the adoption of bicameral script [added 12:50, 30 October 2024 (UTC): and movable type]. --Lambiam 17:53, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I agree. ~~Or "capitals" and "minuscules".~~ (Possibly the term "capital" is only used in the context of a bicameral script?)

Does the Cambridge History of Western Music Theory say whether pseudo-Odo accepted the low B flat?

Like I noted above Guido did not. There's a funny passage in his Epistle to monk Michel (Epistola ad Michelem) where if I remember correctly he goes (more or less, I'm obviously paraphrasing): "A low B flat? Are you nuts? What next? An F sharp?" Incidentally my mention of ff and gg above is in practice erroneous. The notation can express those notes, but in the Guidonian system they cannot exist for the same reason that the low B flat cannot exist: there is no (complete) hexachord that contains them: to get an ff and gg you would have to have a hexachord placed on cc but the 'la' of that hexachord would be a super-high A: aaa that's outside the system, which would make that hexachord incomplete. So, in practice, for him the highest note is the ee which is the 'la' of the hexachord placed on g. For some reason Guido only accepted complete hexachords. Similarly a low B flat could exist if Guido had only accepted a hexachord placed on a super-low F below the Γ but such a note is again outside the system, which would make that hexachord incomplete and Guido won't have it. 178.51.16.158 (talk) 05:19, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I forget to add a link to the cited passage, now inserted. Immediately following it is this table of the scale of Pseudo-Odo's Dialogus:

“Step:”

1

2

3

4

5

6

7

8

9

10

11

12

13

14

15

Γ

A

B

C

D

E

F

G

a

♭

♮

c

d

e

f

g

aa

t

s

t

s

t

s

t

s

t

There is only one B, a tone up from A and a semitone down from C. --Lambiam 18:21, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

October 31

Parody song?

I believe this (warning: slightly risqué content) re-uses the tune from another song. Does anyone recognise it? Thanks. 2601:644:8581:75B0:0:0:0:F42E (talk) 17:11, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It doesn't really borrow the tune, but the start obviously references Lola by The Kinks. Matt Deres (talk) 12:48, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

November 1

Movie in anthology series

Back in 1984, when I was 13 years old, my teacher showed me and my class a movie about the Mayflower. One of the performers in it was John Dehner. I asked the teacher when the movie was made, in the 1960s or the 1970s. She told me she believed it was the 1960s, and she'll check the copyright. But during some commercial breaks, there was this image of some popcorn with a scoop. The caption read Sunday Playhouse. What's the movie's title? When was it made? Was there ever an anthology series called Sunday Playhouse? Anyone know?2603:7000:8641:810E:AFB5:A06F:298:5D33 (talk) 07:43, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Could it be Plymouth Adventure? 68.187.174.155 (talk) 11:08, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Since John Dehner is in its cast, that's probably the one. Does the OP concur? {The poster formerly known as 76.81.230.195} 94.6.86.81 (talk) 19:09, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, that's the one.2603:7000:8641:810E:AFB5:A06F:298:5D33 (talk) 02:51, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sunday Playhouse seems to have been a tv slot for showing movies in the early 1960s [5]. A couple of other possibilities:

The Pilgrims (1955) "This classroom film dramatizes the Pilgrim’s flight from religious persecution in England to the Netherlands, then 12 years later their ocean voyage on the Mayflower, and the founding of Plymouth Colony in 1620".
The Beginning at Plymouth Colony (1954) "This Cold War classroom lecture film argues that the Pilgrims' early collectivist economic system failed, leading to a more successful capitalist system based on individual responsibility and private ownership".

Alansplodge (talk) 14:26, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sunday Playhouse must've started airing sometime in the 1970s.2603:7000:8641:810E:AFB5:A06F:298:5D33 (talk) 02:59, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yet the collected volume of TV Guide Vol. 9 Issues 1–13 linked by Alansplodge is dated as published in 1961, which is consistent with the magazine itself having started publication in 1953. Evidently then, films were being broadcast under the Sunday Playhouse title around 1960. Obviously, these were not new made-for-TV movies (which was I suspect not yet much of a thing), but TV showings of existing movies, Plymouth Adventure, for example, having been released in 1952. Sunday Playhouse broadcasts were doubtless repeated in subsequent years. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 94.6.86.81 (talk) 14:48, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Really. I also still remember the music score from the Sunday Playhouse commercial breaks. It must've been from a popular song. If so, could the song be identified? In addition, could someone create an article about Sunday Playhouse?2603:7000:8641:810E:AFB5:A06F:298:5D33 (talk) 07:19, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Frauenliebe und -leben

Resolved

Has any male singer recorded Schumann's cycle? I know Matthias Goerne has performed it, but can't find any recording.

(After all, the premiere was given by baritone Julius Stockhausen with Clara Schumann accompanying...) Double sharp (talk) 15:27, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Classical label Hyperion does not suggest it might have been recorded [6]. It's a work absolutely neutraly qualified one Singstimme but the particular occurrence allows the reviewer to offer extended hinsight into admitted ~~procolary~~ protocolary attitudes, unfortunately not addressing your point specifically if I'm reading him correctly. --Askedonty (talk) 14:02, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Askedonty, purely for interest, can you rephrase your second sentence, whose meaning escapes me? 'Procolary', for example, is so obscure that it does not appear in my OED, and although I have been able to get 'Singstimme' translated as 'singing voice', I cannot make sense of ". . .neutra[l]ly qualified one Singstimme . . .". {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 94.6.86.81 (talk) 15:06, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry. The German term Singstimme is the standard word for "voice" used in the composer's voice and instrumental prescription as it appears in the song cycle genre in German. --Askedonty (talk) 09:01, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, Askedonty. So you were saying that the work itself doesn't demand any particular type of (male or female) voice, but its unusual performance by a baritone allows the critic to discuss the conventional attitudes that expect a female singer? {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 94.6.86.81 (talk) 17:03, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

True, though I'm feeling quite dishearted now not having had enough perseverance for also being able to state that I was commenting only and perhaps even partially the introduction to a fully thorough presentation of the work, and the unconventional aspects in its genesis. --Askedonty (talk) 17:35, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Of course, recordings were a very newfangled invention in 1862 when the premiere was given. I mentioned the premiere not because I thought it might've been recorded (of course it wasn't), but rather to explain why using a male singer for this is not quite as odd an idea as it may seem. Double sharp (talk) 14:51, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

BTW, there is a recording on YouTube of the the second song alone by baritone Olivier Gagnon. I really enjoyed it, but still I haven't found the full cycle. Double sharp (talk) 11:49, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This appears to be a recording of the full cycle by baritone Roderick Williams. -- Jack of Oz ^{[pleasantries]} 21:31, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@JackofOz: Thank you!! Double sharp (talk) 02:37, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

November 4

Why do Germans (and their friends) notate B𝄫 with Heses and not Bes?

The German notation of B𝄫 is Heses. The logic of it escapes me. It'd seem more natural to use Bes. Hes doesn't even exist (it's B) so why should Heses? Anyone's got an idea? 178.51.16.158 (talk) 04:54, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Alteration by a chromatic semitone downwards is indicated in German by appending -(e)s to the name of the tone, and alteration by two chromatic semitones downwards is indicated by appending -(e)ses. This is also the logic governing Heses. Note that double flats made a relatively late appearance in Western music. The real question is then, why the German name B instead of Hes? The roots of this exception are historical, B being the majuscule of earlier b, going back to Guido of Arezzo's notation of ♭ for a semitone up from a, while h stood for his ♮, a full tone up from a. Confusing as this already is in view of the English and Dutch notations, using Bes for B𝄫 would only have added to the confusion. --Lambiam 07:05, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, you were saying three questions earlier Guido borrowed from pseudo-Odo. Remember? (A fun name! Try saying it three times in a row!) And I believed you. So credit where credit's due. And in case anyone wonders why Lambiam brought in the Dutch: in the Netherlands B is B, Bes is B♭ and there is no H. That is relatively new I think. Post World War II. 178.51.16.158 (talk) 07:39, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Or perhaps post the Napoleonic Wars.^[7]

While the use in Pseudo-Odo's Dialogus de musica is the first known use, these names might have been forgotten but for their adoption by the influential Guido van Arezzo. --Lambiam 11:46, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

So the Dutch have actually been doing that for hundreds of years. I've learned something new. Thanks. 178.51.16.158 (talk) 12:26, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

November 7

Leave it to Charlie DVD Release

I'm currently looking to see if the itv sitcom Leave it to Charlie was released on DVD and wear can I buy it. Matthew John Drummond (talk) 18:37, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Unfortunately we do not (yet) have an article on this 1978-80 26-episode ITV series. Searching the IMDb (see here), and websearching, does not find me any mention of a DVD having been made. There is a hint that it may have been broadcast in Canada under a different title, so it is possible (though unlikely) that there is a DVD under that title, whatever it is. Sorry not to have been of more help. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 94.7.95.48 (talk) 21:24, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

November 8

Nickelodeon Kids' Choice Awards

I've noticed that a few films that won Nickelodeon Kids' Choice Awards are actually adult-themed with mature content - Pretty Woman, Terminator 2: Judgment Day and Abduction. Why is that? 212.180.235.46 (talk) 21:41, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

A number of the others also have violent themes. Such as Jurassic Park, with dinosaurs eating people, and Star Wars, with people impaled by lightsabers. According to Nickelodeon Kids' Choice Awards, the kids are the ones making the choices, or at least are supposed to be. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 01:05, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

November 9

recording multiple roles

In animated shows like The Simpsons where the main cast play multiple characters each, how is dialogue between one actor's characters, such as Burns and Smithers (both Harry Shearer), recorded? Is it done all at once, with the actor switching voices with each line? (Seems difficult.) Or in two (or more) passes, with a stand-in reading the lines of the other party for timing? Or something else? —Tamfang (talk) 06:39, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I can't speak for the Simpsons, but when Mel Blanc used to do multiple voices in the same cartoon, he would record all the dialogue for each character separately. As I recall, he would do Yosemite Sam last, since it was rough on his vocal chords. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 09:39, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The usual procedure is that the voice actor is recorded before the animation is produced. Lip syncing between the recorded sound and the animated character's mouth movement is done by the animators, originally by hand, but now software exists that uses a video of the mouth movements of the voice actor to make the lip sync process automatic. Typically, if the mouths of two characters are both visible, their speech never overlaps, and the timing of a dialogue is only created during animation. That is also when ambiance sound is added. Therefore it is up to the actor in what order the recordings are made. Most often they will record multiple takes of each set of lines. --Lambiam 12:43, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The Bristol Entertainment characters name's

I'm trying to find what the names of the characters are in the 1971 tv play The Bristol Entertainment. The tv play has 7 cast members although the names of the character they play in the tv play have not been added yet so what are the names of each character in the tv play then I can add them onto IMDb. Matthew John Drummond (talk) 18:29, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RE: WIKIPEDIA article about Woodstock & Max Yasgur --- What was the actual USPS mailing address and zip code for Yasgur's farm? Was Yasgur's dairy farm physically in Bethel, NY or Cochecton, NY

(Moved here by me from the Help Desk. City of Silver 20:40, 9 November 2024 (UTC))[reply]

Just want to know which town in NY State, the Yasgur dairy farm was actually located. MyMarue (talk) 20:33, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

According to our article Woodstock, the festival was held "on Max Yasgur's dairy farm in Bethel, New York". Our article Max Yasgur agrees: "He was the owner of the 600-acre (240 ha) dairy farm in Bethel, New York, where the Woodstock Music and Art Fair was held on August 15–18, 1969." The promotional Woodstock poster gives the location as "White Lake, Town of Bethel, Sullivan County, N.Y." All sources I see about the Woodstock monument at the festival site agree that it is located in Bethel. MapQuest gives Yasgur's Farm Cafe as being at 200 Hurd Rd, Bethel, NY 12720. There are sources placing the Bethel Woods Center for the Arts with the Woodstock Museum in Cochecton, but the website of Bethel Woods also gives their address as 200 Hurd Rd, Bethel, NY 12720. --Lambiam 21:31, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

On maps, this site is located in Bethel, about 3 miles (4.8 km) east of the border with Cochecton. --Lambiam 21:49, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Freaky Friday (2003 film) - Production/Filming dates

When did production/filming for director Mark Waters' film version of Freaky Friday began and when it finished? 81.152.18.78 (talk) 22:32, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

November 10