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== The dog2 (topic ban on politics and sensitive issues) == |
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Continuing the discussion from [[Talk:Israel#Sensitive Issues]] since there's enough support for this discussion. Pinging all users involved to continue this here: {{ping|Ground Zero|Ikan Kekek|Ibaman|Mx. Granger}}. --<span style="font-family:BlinkMacSystemFont; font-size: 14px">[[User:SHB2000|<span style="color:#0b6487">SHB2000</span>]] <small>([[User talk:SHB2000|t]] | [[Special:Contributions/SHB2000|c]] | [[m:User:SHB2000|m]])</small></span> 23:54, 5 July 2024 (UTC) |
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* '''Support'''. The dog2 has been wasting the community's time for years with political debates on talk pages and often inaccurate or unnecessary political claims in articles. When The dog2 works on accurate travel advice instead of political controversies, {{GENDER:The dog2|his|her|their}} contributions are typically good, so my hope is that this ban will allow {{GENDER:The dog2|him|her|them}} to focus on those contributions and avoid wasting the community's time and misinforming readers with the political stuff. —[[User:Mx. Granger|Granger]] ([[User talk:Mx. Granger|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Mx. Granger|contribs]]) 00:24, 6 July 2024 (UTC) |
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*'''Support''' per discussion linked above, and a long list of instances of disregarding [[WV:Tone#Be concise]] and engaging in unnecessary encyclopaedism, too well-known to bother mention. [[User:Ibaman|Ibaman]] ([[User talk:Ibaman|talk]]) 00:31, 6 July 2024 (UTC) |
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* '''Support'''. This has been going on too long. It shows a deep lack of respect for the commhnity, and is disruptive to our purpose of building a travel guide. [[User:Ground Zero|Ground Zero]] ([[User talk:Ground Zero|talk]]) 00:53, 6 July 2024 (UTC) |
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*:Since I didn't weigh in fully, I'll do so now. The dog2, I echo what Mx Granger said about your contributions elsewhere – however, when multiple users have asked you to step back on politics and sensitive issues, you need to do instead of doing the same thing over and over again. It's gone for several years now; how long is too long? |
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*:During the duration of your topic ban, I suggest you take a through step back and learn to check what you're adding into mainspace. Take this time to learn why the community feels the way about your contributions to politics and respect sections; by the time your topic ban is over, you should have learned by then what to and what not to do. |
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*:For everyone else – how long should the topic ban be? I would opt for 3 months given the length of their disruptive behaviour, which is enough time to self-reflect on their behaviour, but it can always be extended if the conditions of the ban are broken or if the disruption continues after the ban ended. --<span style="font-family:BlinkMacSystemFont; font-size: 14px">[[User:SHB2000|<span style="color:#0b6487">SHB2000</span>]] <small>([[User talk:SHB2000|t]] | [[Special:Contributions/SHB2000|c]] | [[m:User:SHB2000|m]])</small></span> 01:56, 6 July 2024 (UTC) |
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*::I'd say 6 months. And I support. [[User:Ikan Kekek|Ikan Kekek]] ([[User talk:Ikan Kekek|talk]]) 04:20, 6 July 2024 (UTC) |
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*:::6 months also works with me (or whatever everyone thinks is enough time for The dog2 to self-reflect). --<span style="font-family:BlinkMacSystemFont; font-size: 14px">[[User:SHB2000|<span style="color:#0b6487">SHB2000</span>]] <small>([[User talk:SHB2000|t]] | [[Special:Contributions/SHB2000|c]] | [[m:User:SHB2000|m]])</small></span> 04:22, 6 July 2024 (UTC) |
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*::::I also support 6 months. [[User:Ground Zero|Ground Zero]] ([[User talk:Ground Zero|talk]]) 10:19, 6 July 2024 (UTC) |
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*::::: 6 months, no objection. [[User:Ibaman|Ibaman]] ([[User talk:Ibaman|talk]]) 11:38, 6 July 2024 (UTC) |
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* '''Support'''. Although some of the additions by The dog2 are warranted, he clearly cannot judge when he should be sceptical toward his sources, how much his observations can be generalised, what conclusions can be drawn and when the warnings just aren't necessary. Please, The dog2, if you think something needs to be mentioned, tell it on the talk page instead and let other editors decide. –[[User:LPfi|LPfi]] ([[User talk:LPfi|talk]]) 09:28, 6 July 2024 (UTC) |
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::{{ping|The dog2}} [[User:Ground Zero|Ground Zero]] ([[User talk:Ground Zero|talk]]) 12:30, 6 July 2024 (UTC) |
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: See also [[Talk:Philippines#Questionable_addition]]. I'm not sure a ban is warranted; discussion & warnings should be enough. On the other hand, I have not followed things closely & will not raise an objection to the apparent consensus to ban. [[User:Pashley|Pashley]] ([[User talk:Pashley|talk]]) 14:21, 6 July 2024 (UTC) |
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::I agree with you that "discussion & warnings ''should'' be enough", but they haven't been. You can see on [[User talk:The dog2]] how various editors have been cautioning them about adding false information and controversial opinions back to at least 2017, and have repeatedly asked them to desist from editing Respect and Politics section. The dog2 ignores the warnings and discussion. [[User:Ground Zero|Ground Zero]] ([[User talk:Ground Zero|talk]]) 14:58, 6 July 2024 (UTC) |
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:::One other thing: how long should the ban nomination go for? I think 7 days is enough to form a clear consensus, but I'd be willing to hear to other suggestions. <span style="font-family:BlinkMacSystemFont; font-size: 14px">[[User:SHB2000|<span style="color:#0b6487">SHB2000</span>]] <small>([[User talk:SHB2000|t]] | [[Special:Contributions/SHB2000|c]] | [[m:User:SHB2000|m]])</small></span> 11:08, 7 July 2024 (UTC) |
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::::[[Wikivoyage:How_to_handle_unwanted_edits]] says: "If the proposed suspension of the user's editing privileges is supported by two administrators, and there is a broad consensus for the suspension, after 3 days the suspension will go into effect." This seems to me to be very fast. As The dog2 is an administrator, I would err on the side of a longer discussion period, like the 7 days you suggest, unless they make any edits to Respect or Politics while this discussion is underway. In that case, I would implement it immediately. [[User:Ground Zero|Ground Zero]] ([[User talk:Ground Zero|talk]]) 11:27, 7 July 2024 (UTC) |
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:::::Seems reasonable, as he is aware of the discussion. If he thinks that a longer period or more voices are needed, I don't see any problem with that, but I doubt that would change anything. –[[User:LPfi|LPfi]] ([[User talk:LPfi|talk]]) 11:34, 7 July 2024 (UTC) |
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:::::They do, of course, have until then to own up and things may turn around, but LPfi's suggestion is more than reasonable to me. --<span style="font-family:BlinkMacSystemFont; font-size: 14px">[[User:SHB2000|<span style="color:#0b6487">SHB2000</span>]] <small>([[User talk:SHB2000|t]] | [[Special:Contributions/SHB2000|c]] | [[m:User:SHB2000|m]])</small></span> 11:35, 7 July 2024 (UTC) |
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::::::Since there's a consensus that I am to be banned, there is nothing much else I can do but accept it. [[User:The dog2|The dog2]] ([[User talk:The dog2|talk]]) 20:40, 7 July 2024 (UTC) |
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:::::Since it'll be 7 days by the end of tomorrow, how shall we lay the ban conditions? I'd say: |
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:::::* no edits to anything politics-related. |
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:::::* no edits to "Respect" sections. |
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:::::* no edits to anything that can be deemed sensitive. |
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:::::* this ban only applies to mainspace; talk page discussions are still allowed. |
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:::::Does this sound good with everyone? --<span style="font-family:BlinkMacSystemFont; font-size: 14px">[[User:SHB2000|<span style="color:#0b6487">SHB2000</span>]] <small>([[User talk:SHB2000|t]] | [[Special:Contributions/SHB2000|c]] | [[m:User:SHB2000|m]])</small></span> 11:28, 11 July 2024 (UTC) |
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::::::"Sensitive and politics-related issues" is quite vague. I assume "anything sensible" refers to things that could go into Respect, not everything somebody could find sensible. |
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::::::The wording is OK if we trust [[User:The dog2|The dog2]] not to try the limits and others not to mind grey-area edits. If somebody at some point feels that his edits are too far across the limit, then there needs to be further discussion. Perhaps we should trust him and the community, so that we don't need to start rule lawyering. |
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::::::–[[User:LPfi|LPfi]] ([[User talk:LPfi|talk]]) 11:47, 11 July 2024 (UTC) |
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:::::::Works with me. --<span style="font-family:BlinkMacSystemFont; font-size: 14px">[[User:SHB2000|<span style="color:#0b6487">SHB2000</span>]] <small>([[User talk:SHB2000|t]] | [[Special:Contributions/SHB2000|c]] | [[m:User:SHB2000|m]])</small></span> 12:03, 11 July 2024 (UTC) |
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::::::::I support the wording, but I do not trust The dog2 not to try the limits. They have not shown respect for the community's opinions on this so far. If there is a clear violation of our intent here, The dog2 should be subject to escalating blocks. If there is a grey-area edit, it should be reverted with a reference to the topic ban. [[User:Ground Zero|Ground Zero]] ([[User talk:Ground Zero|talk]]) 12:15, 11 July 2024 (UTC) |
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:::::::::That or possibly the topic ban gets extended by 1 month for each violation. If it gets to a breaking point (where it gets extended to, say, end of 2025), possibly a block or desysop nom. --<span style="font-family:BlinkMacSystemFont; font-size: 14px">[[User:SHB2000|<span style="color:#0b6487">SHB2000</span>]] <small>([[User talk:SHB2000|t]] | [[Special:Contributions/SHB2000|c]] | [[m:User:SHB2000|m]])</small></span> 12:28, 11 July 2024 (UTC) |
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* yeah, for the record, [https://en.wikivoyage.org/w/index.php?title=Hong_Kong&diff=prev&oldid=4904307 as of yesterday] there were edits about Hong Kong cinema, which IMHO are not "political" or "sensible" per se, but I would call them "encyclopaedic and unneeded", and qualifying as "testing the limits" and "not showing respect for the community's opinions". But maybe I'm being too grumpy here. Opinions? [[User:Ibaman|Ibaman]] ([[User talk:Ibaman|talk]]) 12:35, 11 July 2024 (UTC) |
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*:I think they're okay because they aren't political or sensitive and don't exactly waste the community's time the same way their edits to [[Talk:Israel#Sensitive issues|Israel]] or [[Talk:Russia#Russia's demographic crisis|Russia]] have been. --<span style="font-family:BlinkMacSystemFont; font-size: 14px">[[User:SHB2000|<span style="color:#0b6487">SHB2000</span>]] <small>([[User talk:SHB2000|t]] | [[Special:Contributions/SHB2000|c]] | [[m:User:SHB2000|m]])</small></span> 12:41, 11 July 2024 (UTC) |
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Revision as of 08:25, 3 September 2024
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