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You've just archived this, haven't you? I really didn't notice that. Perhaps move the archive links somewhere else? Or with font-size:90% ? — [[User talk:Vildricianus#|Vildricianus]] 21:33, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
You've just archived this, haven't you? I really didn't notice that. Perhaps move the archive links somewhere else? Or with font-size:90% ? — [[User talk:Vildricianus#|Vildricianus]] 21:33, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

== [[w:Category:Move to Wiktionary]] ==

Hi Connel, it's theProject. Could I bother you to please import Wiktionary-worthy entries listed in [[w:Category:Move to Wiktionary]] (there are about 200 right now)? I would be very much obliged. Thanks! [[User:TheProject|TheProject]] 22:30, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

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Bermuda

Latest comment: 18 years ago5 comments2 people in discussion

Please justify or revert your recent changes made to the entry Bermuda. As justifying the claim that the aforementioned archipelago has magically teleported a thousand miles is rather difficult, I would advise the latter. Rather hastily, I might add, as such claims aren't particularly good for maintaining the title of Administrator.

You also removed the adjective form of the word entirely, despite such common terms as "Bermuda Shorts", the "Bermuda Triangle" and the "Bermuda High"...in fact, even the Bermuda Government itself.

If you are not familiar with a word or its uses, then please do not attempt to create a definition for it.

— This unsigned comment was added by 199.172.230.145 (talk).
Seeing how emotional you are about the issue, I rechecked several other dictionaries. Bermudan and Bermudian are the noun and adjective forms, while Bermuda, bermuda shorts, bermuda onion and others are listed as nouns. In English, nouns can almost always be forced to act as adjectives, but that doesn't make them adjectivial in nature. Outside of a handful of specific nouns, the adjective is Bermudan, not Bermuda.
Many things are in the Atlantic Ocean. It is a disservice to our readers to say that Bermuda exists in the same ocean as Greenland and Iceland, without being much more specific. The Caribbean is colloquially understood to include nearby adjacent regions, even if some politicians happen to disagree.
I rolled your changes back as they looked deceptive and erroneous. The fact that your "format changes" seem to be POV reinforces that notion dramatically. Helpful additions and corrections are appreciated here; empty threats are not. Since you seem adamant that your POV is the only possibly correct one, (against the Wiktionary community's consensus,) I'll request blocking of your IP address from some other sysops.
--Connel MacKenzie 04:32, 1 August 2006 (UTC)Reply
I have to agree with the anon as to the placement - per Wikipedia, the island is a few hundred miles due east of South Carolina. bd2412 T 04:43, 1 August 2006 (UTC)Reply
And an 'nslookup' of the IP points to Bermuda, explaining the anon's indignation. I'm glad no one blocked, for now. The colloquial association of Bermuda to a Caribbean resort is weakened too much, if listed as "North Atlantic Ocean" or "Atlantic Ocean." I've made some changes; please amend and correct if I've now managed to still offend. --Connel MacKenzie 06:39, 1 August 2006 (UTC)Reply

Connel Mackenzie, I do not find your arguments particularly reasonable and I find your tone more than a little hostile and abusive. Please try to remain civil. If you do not, I will be forced to register a complaint. Let us go through this step-by-step:

Edit #1: Caribbean -> Atlantic Ocean

You have asserted that Bermuda is in the Caribbean. You later changed to to being North-East of the Caribbean. Bermuda is no where near the Caribbean. As has been mentioned, it is east of the Carolinas. References to the Caribbean will confuse readers, as it implies that Bermuda is remotely near that place. It is not. "Colloquial Association" does not change its location, nor do politicians. It is an isolated group of islands in the Atlantic Ocean, almost a mirror of the Azores. Describing Bermuda as being in the Caribbean would be like saying that the Azores are in the Mediterranean. In fact, the Azores are fully described as being, simply, "in the Atlantic Ocean". A statement such as "despite popular belief, Bermuda is neither in, nor near, the Caribbean" would be acceptable.

"The Atlantic Ocean", perhaps with "to the east of South Carolina" afterwards, would be the only accurate description. "North-East" of the Caribbean, however, is factually false -- amusing, considering how you accused me of deception. A reference to it being north of (north-east would be rather confusing, might I add) the Caribbean could also be added, but as this is a dictionary, so much information is probably not necessary.

Edit #2: Bermuda Adjective Form

I am sorry, but I have never heard of Bermudan used as an adjective. And I have heard Bermudian used as an adjective only a few times a year. "Bermuda" is the prevalent adjective form -- in Bermuda -- regardless of what miscellaneous dictionaries state. I chose my examples as ones you would have ready access to. I am sorry that the sign to Locals Restaurant, which serves "only the finest Bermuda fish" is not accessible to you, nor the literally hundreds of other examples, so I suggest you just take my word for it. I have never heard of the adjective "Bermudan", but you do not see me deleting it, do you?

Edit #3: Format Edits

Please explain how wikifying the text "Bermudian" in "see: Bermudian" is "POV"? In fact, please explain your entire statement, that "The fact that your "format changes" seem to be POV reinforces that notion dramatically".

Final: Your Behaviour

Your behaviour through this constitutes an abuse of your Administratorship. After receiving -- what I believed to be -- a civil and thought-through complaint, in which I asked you to supply the reason for your changes, you accuse me of "deception", being "erroneous" and attempting to force through a POV (without ever stating what point of view it was, for that matter) after making ONE CHANGE and asking you why you changed that, you appealed to have me banned. I find this disgraceful. Truly.

Please don't make me register a complaint.

P.S. Would not a person from Bermuda be more in touch with the meanings of the word?

Your "POV editing" is here. I see you (or another dynamic IP of yours?) reverted to the contested definition and dewikified a redlinked term (against common practice, here.) Perhaps User:BD2412 or another sysop would be better at cleaning up your POV pushing. You didn't even say "due East of South Carolina" that you had were previously agreeing with! FWIW, North East is not factually incorrect. --Connel MacKenzie 06:12, 5 August 2006 (UTC)Reply
As another point of amusement, to reasearch your anon IP address, I had to use LACNIC], the Latin American and Caribbean internet address registry. --Connel MacKenzie 08:05, 5 August 2006 (UTC)Reply

Template:nav

Latest comment: 18 years ago2 comments1 person in discussion

I've made your intended modifications for this template to work. But now, it does not look good in rendered pages. --Bluemask 07:19, 2 August 2006 (UTC)Reply

i don't have access to irc right now. :( --Bluemask 07:46, 2 August 2006 (UTC)Reply

contacting users

Latest comment: 18 years ago5 comments4 people in discussion

A user contacted me concerning a block you had made. I'm not so much worried about the block as how to respond. It would be easiest to post on his/her user page except (1) the user page of the same name doesn't appear to be blocked and (2) he/she claims not to be able to respond on his/her own talk page anyway. Either of my current email addresses could potentially reveal information about myself that, if I understand correctly, should be tightly guarded. Or should I only avoid revealing any information on my own talk page itself? Anyways I'm not sure what to do. It seems kind of silly to set up another email address just for Wiktionary. Davilla 14:37, 4 August 2006 (UTC)Reply

Well, you can e-mail me the details useing the "E-mail this user" link on the left column. That routes through a http://www.spamgourmet.com/ filter. Not perfect (I have to reset the counters occasionally) but I have yet to get a spam-bomb from it. Some like to guard their e-mail addresses, while others rely on gmail's filters while flaunting it everywhere (in an effort to improve the gmail filters, presumably.) WMF says we should protect anonymous IP information diligently; I don't think the same always applies to e-mail addresses, but then, I don't often have occasion to violate either one. --Connel MacKenzie 05:56, 5 August 2006 (UTC)Reply
Where have I been flaunting it, apart from on IRC? BTW, the concerned user has e-mailed every sysop, I guess, so don't bother. — Vildricianus 08:02, 5 August 2006 (UTC)Reply
Great link! I'll be sure to use it some time, and not just for Wiktionary. But if it works very well, it couldn't be flawless. What's to keep someone from sending you mail at randomstring.largenumber.username? 59.112.42.174 08:39, 5 August 2006 (UTC)Reply
Nothing is flawless for spam. But I haven't been spam/mailbombed yet. --Connel MacKenzie 08:43, 5 August 2006 (UTC)Reply

re what's going on?

Latest comment: 18 years ago2 comments2 people in discussion

User:Dangherous deleted the page and then blocked himself for a year, after putting rather worrying comments re his resignation from wiktionary and some nhialistic verses at numberless. I am concerned. Andrew massyn 20:15, 6 August 2006 (UTC)Reply

Thank you. For some reason, I missed that, the first time I looked (replying on the talk page.) I've forwarded the de-sysop request to meta:, but the "request" isn't a formal one, so it's stuck for now. I'll start the needed conversation on WT:BP. --Connel MacKenzie 21:09, 6 August 2006 (UTC)Reply

Backlogs

Latest comment: 18 years ago16 comments2 people in discussion

Could someone do something about the developing backlogs at Wiktionary:WikiProject on open proxies and Wiktionary:Vandalism in progress? Thanks. Jesse Viviano 23:14, 6 August 2006 (UTC)Reply

Fantastic! Thank you so much! I had all but forgotten about WT:OP. It looks like the WT:VIP are mostly false alarms/warnings, or long since taken care of but not archived properly. --Connel MacKenzie 00:03, 7 August 2006 (UTC)Reply
The best way to archive them is to tag them with a template, like w:Template:Blocked proxy or w:Template:Zombie proxy when they are blocked. However, no such templates exist here currently. You might have to transwiki and modify them from Wikipedia them or create new ones for this project. This puts them all into categories for archival purposes. Jesse Viviano 01:15, 7 August 2006 (UTC)Reply
By the way, you might want to bookmark w:Wikipedia:WikiProject on open proxies. People report and test open proxies there much more often than they do here. Jesse Viviano 01:11, 7 August 2006 (UTC)Reply
I think we should consider leaving our page as a pointer to it, then, perhaps? --Connel MacKenzie 01:14, 7 August 2006 (UTC)Reply
Nope. What is blocked on Wikipedia does not automatically get blocked here, so a redirect there would be worse than useless. Anyways, the "Need blocking" section and the "Already blocked" section only refer to Wikipedia, not Wiktionary. What really is needed is a central database where blocks on one project for being an open proxy can spread automatically. Jesse Viviano 02:15, 7 August 2006 (UTC)Reply
P.S. Imports done...please tweak anything I miss on my edits. --Connel MacKenzie 01:15, 7 August 2006 (UTC)Reply
You may want to transwiki w:Wikipedia:No open proxies and modify it for Wiktionary as well. Currently, the tag points to a Wikipedia policy and not a Wiktionary one. Jesse Viviano 01:23, 7 August 2006 (UTC)Reply
Not the page you linked at the start here? Oh, are we supposed to have an official policy somewhere? Seems like overkill, for Wiktionary. We have "standard practices" and this (blocking open proxies) is well established as such. If anyone starts arguing on the open proxies' behalf, I'll just indef-block 'em.  :-) Joking aside, no one would take any such arguments seriously. --Connel MacKenzie 02:32, 7 August 2006 (UTC)Reply
  • Hmmm. I'm a little uncomfortable creating all those user talk pages for IPs that (99%+) will never be able to edit here. I also don't like the idea of tipping them off, as to how they got caught. I'll ask around, but I need to think this through. --Connel MacKenzie 01:22, 7 August 2006 (UTC)Reply
Maybe Tawker might be able to write a bot that will go through the block logs and generate those pages. On one hand, tagging those IPs will let vandals know that those computers are off limits. On the other hand, it is an incentive for the owner of the proxy to have his or her computer cleaned up or secured. He or she then could email an administrator to have their IP address checked and removed. Jesse Viviano 02:15, 7 August 2006 (UTC)Reply
Oh, I certainly could 'bot upload them too. I'm still wondering if it is the right thing to do. The people that run open proxies are very criminally minded people, who are not likely to simply wake up one day and say "Golly gee, I shouldn't do this." Zombies, perhaps...but the likelyhood of any of them ever seeing a Wiktionary warning are nil. As I said, I'd like to think it through, and discuss it with others. --Connel MacKenzie 02:32, 7 August 2006 (UTC)Reply
Not all people who run open proxies are criminals. Some may be running them to help bypass censors that are up to no good like the Great Firewall of China. Others run them as anonymizers. Others might just be misconfigured computers with too many services installed. Sure, some are criminally minded. However, we cannot assume that they all are criminals. I understand that you wish to discuss this with others, and I respect this. Jesse Viviano 03:37, 7 August 2006 (UTC)Reply
Sorry about being flippant. Yes, of course there are some quazi-legitimate uses (but they too are often abused.) --Connel MacKenzie 03:59, 7 August 2006 (UTC)Reply
By the way, should this discussion be moved to the beer parlour or the grease pit? Jesse Viviano 03:41, 7 August 2006 (UTC)Reply
I actually meant IRC and e-mail. Given how silly some of my comments above are, I think restarting the conversation in WT:BP would be best. --Connel MacKenzie 03:59, 7 August 2006 (UTC)Reply

Wantedpages transclusion

Latest comment: 18 years ago3 comments2 people in discussion

I guess I should remind you, though I'm not sure why, that {{Special:Wantedpages}} eats up server resources. On my homewiki, (though it's still 1.6), it's really the heaviest load I can get, for a stupid /10 wanted pages. Does it actually matter at all? Have you asked Brion? I'm really wondering whether it's just me and my apache. — Vildricianus 21:31, 7 August 2006 (UTC)Reply

Oh well, never mind. On a non-live wiki like this it probably doesn't matter at all. — Vildricianus 21:34, 7 August 2006 (UTC)Reply


Ah, so that's the culprit. Makes sense that they run it only twice a week here. I'll comment it off my userpage for now. Not much to be done about WT:A with all the stewards on airplanes returning from Wikimania. --Connel MacKenzie 21:34, 7 August 2006 (UTC)Reply

Archive

Latest comment: 18 years ago1 comment1 person in discussion

You've just archived this, haven't you? I really didn't notice that. Perhaps move the archive links somewhere else? Or with font-size:90% ? — Vildricianus 21:33, 7 August 2006 (UTC)Reply

w:Category:Move to Wiktionary

Latest comment: 18 years ago1 comment1 person in discussion

Hi Connel, it's theProject. Could I bother you to please import Wiktionary-worthy entries listed in w:Category:Move to Wiktionary (there are about 200 right now)? I would be very much obliged. Thanks! TheProject 22:30, 7 August 2006 (UTC)Reply

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