Wikidata:Property proposal/External wiki

External Wiki ID

Originally proposed at Wikidata:Property proposal/Generic

Not done

Description	an external wiki which relates to this topic.
Represents	wiki (Q171)
Data type	Item
Allowed values	wiki (Q171)
Example 1	Super Smash Bros. (Q2778220) → English SmashWiki (Q105063517)
Example 2	Heroes (Q83401) → Heroes Wiki (Q5743147)
Example 3	Animal Crossing (Q1139803) → Nookipedia (Q96754852)
Example 4	conservatism (Q7169) → Conservapedia (Q17963)
Example 5	SCP universe (Q59475808) → SCP Foundation (Q17439649)
Robot and gadget jobs	No
See also	Wikidata:Property proposal/Mediawiki Wiki

Motivation

This is a generic version of Gamepedia wiki ID (P6867) and Fandom wiki ID (P4073) which allows for us to link items which represent Wikis to their subject (essentially a reverse of main subject (P921) for wikis). It can also be used as a qualifier for External Wiki URL below. I previously suggested a similar property for only MediaWiki wikis, but there was opposition based on its limited scope. –MJL ‐Tauk‐^☖ 17:55, 20 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion

Support --Trade (talk) 10:00, 24 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Question What does this suggested property do that can not be done with described by source (P1343)? /ℇsquilo 10:13, 24 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The use case for this proposed property is not exactly the same as described by source. External wikis should not be used as a reference as described by source (P1343) implies. In many cases, this would also be similar to official website (P856) depending on the wiki and subject. –MJL ‐Tauk‐^☖ 17:09, 24 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

~~Support~~

Oppose I guess I have to agree with Jura. Lectrician1 (talk) 00:50, 26 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose no need for inverse of "main subject". --- Jura 13:11, 26 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Conservapedia (Q17963)main subject (P921)conservatism (Q7169) is sufficient. --Tinker Bell ★ ♥ 06:13, 29 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Not done - no consensus to create this property --DannyS712 (talk) 01:07, 2 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

External Wiki URL

Originally proposed at Wikidata:Property proposal/Generic

Not done

Description	A URL which describes this topic on an external wiki.
Represents	wiki (Q171)
Data type	URL
Example 1	MSPA Wiki (Q108170610) → https://wikiindex.org/MS_Paint_Adventures_Wiki
Example 2	Gary Johnson (Q352123) → https://lpedia.org/wiki/Gary_Earl_Johnson → LPedia, en, MediaWiki, 11648
Example 3	Andrew Gower (Q2451677) → https://runescape.wiki/w/Andrew_Gower
Example 4	romantic comedy (Q860626) → https://fanlore.org/wiki/Romantic_Comedy → Fanlore (Q30973223)
See also	Wikidata property linking to external MediaWiki wiki (Q62619638) described by source (P1343): work where this item is described described at URL (P973): item is described at the following URL exact match (P2888): URL used to link two items or properties, indicating a high degree of confidence that the concepts can be used interchangeably

Motivation

This is to go along with the above proposal. Essentially, if External Wiki ID is not added as a qualifier, then title (P1476), software engine (P408) (which must be a wiki software (Q6686945)), and language of work or name (P407) should be mandatory instead. If software engine (P408) is MediaWiki (Q83), then MediaWiki page ID (P9675) is suggested. The goal of these two properties is to be able to locate information from external wikis without requiring a new property for each site. –MJL ‐Tauk‐^☖ 17:55, 20 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion

See Wikidata:Property proposal/Mediawiki Wiki.--GZWDer (talk) 18:50, 21 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Support --Trade (talk) 09:59, 24 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose I think this is covered with described by source (P1343) and URL (P2699). That is more generic and does not require the external source to be a wiki. /ℇsquilo 10:15, 24 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Esquilo: Wikis are user edit-able, so the location in the URL is subject to frequent change (depending on the wiki). This property would allow us to use MediaWiki page ID (P9675) to a fuller extent. Additionally, it would help us keep track of which wikis contain what information (which is useful for things like imports). –MJL ‐Tauk‐^☖ 17:07, 24 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose Lectrician1 (talk) 00:45, 26 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose use described at URL (P973) (once there are many for the same wiki, propose a property for that wiki). Maybe exact match (P2888) could be another option. --- Jura 13:11, 26 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Jura1: The whole point is that there are theoretically endless amounts of wikis we can make properties for. This would also mean we need to have items for every wiki currently in existence, that have ever existed, and will ever exist. –MJL ‐Tauk‐^☖ 00:41, 29 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- So you would use this property to add all pages of "every wiki currently in existence, that have ever existed, and will ever exist.", but are not otherwise notable? --- Jura 07:08, 29 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose If a wiki has a subject, this relationship should be expressed in the wiki item, because is describing the wiki, not the subject. --Tinker Bell ★ ♥ 06:13, 29 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Not done - no consensus to create this property --DannyS712 (talk) 01:07, 2 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]