Wikidata:Property proposal/Sacrament conferred by

Sacrament conferred by

Originally proposed at Wikidata:Property proposal/Person

Withdrawn

Description	MISSING
Data type	Item
Domain	human (Q5)
Example 1	Didier-Marie Proton (Q2366553) → significant event (P793)=priestly ordination in the Roman rite (Q41463697) sacrament conferred by: Gilles-Henri-Alexis Barthe (Q3106083), Charles Amarin Brand (Q716375)
Example 2	François Esperet (Q19629385) → significant event (P793)=diaconal ordination (Q41463713) sacrament conferred by: Nestor (Q4317865)
Example 3	→

Motivation

To be used as a qualifier of P793. Would replace consecrator (P1598).

Notified participants of WikiProject Religions. Nomen ad hoc (talk) 19:05, 11 January 2021 (UTC).[reply]

Discussion

Comment I like the idea. It is a property that is needed a lot. But I would like to extend the use to Christian rites that are not sacraments, mainly in Protestant churches; Christian liturgical rite (Q20871782). For example: Christian marriage (Q1043387), confirmation (Q188613), ordination (Q7519600). (There are interesting cases: Johannes Bugenhagen (Q77260) led the marriage of Martin Luther (Q9554) and Katharina von Bora (Q77239) etc.) I don't know what the correct term in English would be: "rite conferred by"? In German, it would be Kasualie or Amtshandlung.--Geogast (talk) 23:48, 31 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- @Nomen ad hoc: If you are OK with Geogast's suggestion, I think this is probably suitable to be marked as "ready". JesseW (talk) 14:30, 20 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  - IMHO, this is a very important property and we should go on with the proposal. Any more opinions?
    Nojhan Yair rand Runner1928 TomT0m Capankajsmilyo ArthurPSmith John Carter Tris T7 Epìdosis Peter17 Bargioni Geogast Clifford Anderson Bello Na'im Mathieu Kappler Maxime StarTrekker Amqui Loft-ind
    Notified participants of WikiProject Religions--Geogast 🤲 (talk) 14:18, 22 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Support but agreed that the name should reflect a more general use. The term I've seen in English is "officiated by" but that may be only specific to some religious organizations? Religious terminology seems hard to generalize sometimes; the meaning is basically the person who performed a religious action and would be generally useful I agree. ArthurPSmith (talk) 16:55, 22 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@ArthurPSmith: I now think that conferred by (P1027) would suffice (but why not an alias "officiated by", indeed) to indicate "the person who performed a religious action". Nomen ad hoc (talk) 15:09, 26 June 2021 (UTC).[reply]
See Q2366553#P793 for an example. Nomen ad hoc (talk) 15:13, 26 June 2021 (UTC).[reply]