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==Data Maintenance==
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== Your edits to [[Table of elevation extremes by country]] ==
Using a template in the table looks like a good idea, but please could you doublecheck your copyediting for mistakes made when you copied over the numerical data? I just had to correct two mistakes in your copied figures for Andorra {{diff|Table of elevation extremes by country||336418523|here}} and I think I spotted another few copying mistakes elsewhere in the table. Thanks and happy editing. [[Special:Contributions/91.187.66.243|91.187.66.243]] ([[User talk:91.187.66.243|talk]]) 16:33, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
:That change was completely intentional.  [[User:Buaidh|Buaidh]] ([[User talk:Buaidh#top|talk]]) 16:37, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
::What I meant was you made a mistake in copying the figures for Andorra. Your figures for Andorra were wrong. You put down the wrong numbers. The elevation of Coma Pedrosa is 2942m, and the country's elevation span is 2102m. However, you changed those figures to 2943m and 2103m, which are incorrect figures. I corrected them. I think I spotted another few copying mistakes elsewhere in the table. Could you doublecheck your figures please? Thanks and happy editing, [[Special:Contributions/91.187.66.243|91.187.66.243]] ([[User talk:91.187.66.243|talk]]) 17:02, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
:I have an elevation of 2943 m for [[Coma Pedrosa]].  Please see [http://www.peakbagger.com/peak.aspx?pid=9815 Coma Pedrosa].  What is your source?  [[User:Buaidh|Buaidh]] ([[User talk:Buaidh#top|talk]]) 17:08, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
::My sources are the Andorran government's surveying department, and the official map of Andorra published by the government tourism ministry. peakbagger.com looks like a blog to me, not very RS to me. Government sources are better. [[Special:Contributions/91.187.66.243|91.187.66.243]] ([[User talk:91.187.66.243|talk]]) 17:10, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
:Do you have an internet reference?  [[User:Buaidh|Buaidh]] ([[User talk:Buaidh#top|talk]]) 17:13, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
::No, like most copyrighted maps, they are not available online. [[Special:Contributions/91.187.66.243|91.187.66.243]] ([[User talk:91.187.66.243|talk]]) 17:16, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
:Here is an Andorran reference at [http://www.ordino.ad/hivern/ang/serveis/itineraris/22.htm Coma Pedrosa] and another at [http://www.ccis.ad/ing/locationAndorra.html Coma Pedrosa]  [[User:Buaidh|Buaidh]] ([[User talk:Buaidh#top|talk]]) 17:27, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
::Ok, can we agree the elevation is 2942m? [[Special:Contributions/91.187.66.243|91.187.66.243]] ([[User talk:91.187.66.243|talk]]) 18:42, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
:Si!  Somewhere between 2942 and 2946 metres.  [[User:Buaidh|Buaidh]] ([[User talk:Buaidh#top|talk]]) 19:19, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
::Good. I agree there is a lot of confusion about this mountain's height &mdash; at least on the internet &mdash; with different internet sources giving different heights: 2942m, 2943m, 2946m, etc. We should hope the Andorran government's maps are really and truly correct about the height of Andorra's highest mountain. Anyway, I like how your template has shortened and tidied up that list article. [[Special:Contributions/91.187.66.243|91.187.66.243]] ([[User talk:91.187.66.243|talk]]) 20:47, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

==RfD nomination of [[:Eugene-Springfield, OR MSA]]==
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== Nomination for deletion of [[:Template:Maine portal]] ==
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== [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion|Articles for deletion]] nomination of [[:Index of Navassa Island-related articles]] ==

<div class="floatleft" style="margin-bottom:0">[[File:Ambox warning pn.svg|42px]]</div>I have nominated [[Index of Navassa Island-related articles]], an article that you created, for [[Wikipedia:Deletion policy|deletion]]. I do not think that this article satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and have explained why at [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Index of Navassa Island-related articles]]. Your opinions on the matter are welcome at that same discussion page; also, you are welcome to edit the article to address these concerns. Thank you for your time.{{-}}Please contact me if you're unsure why you received this message. <!-- Template:AFDWarning --> <small><span style="border:1px solid black;padding:1px;">[[User:Sandstein|<span style="color:white;background:blue;font-family:sans-serif;">'''&nbsp;Sandstein&nbsp;'''</span>]]</span></small> 13:56, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
:I voted to keep the article.[[User:LanceBarber|LanceBarber]] ([[User talk:LanceBarber|talk]]) 04:46, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

== [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion|AfD]] nomination of [[Outline of the Cocos (Keeling) Islands]] ==
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==Category creation==
Hi there- I've deleted or nominated for deletion quite a few of the user categories you have created. The ones I have deleted were as G4 (recreation of previously deleted content). When creating a category, please take care to notice if the category has been previously deleted- I'm pretty sure the page gives you a big red notice if it has - and please don't recreate categories that have been deleted via CFD or UCFD without first going through deletion review to overturn the deletions. Of the categories I have nominated, you can find them at [[Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2010 April 7]]. Thanks, [[User:VegaDark|VegaDark]] ([[User talk:VegaDark|talk]]) 19:41, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

== "State of" ==

Hello... I don't want to complain, as you seem to do a heck of a lot of upkeep with regard to the US states. (Good job, by the way.) I was just curious as to whether there was some recent consensus or discussion to rework the lead sentences of all the US state articles as "State of X", rather than simply using the name "X". Using "State of X" appears a little odd to me, plus I'm not certain if that is an official title or just a Wikipedia format. Thoughts? --'''[[User:Ckatz|Ckatz]]'''''<small>[[User_talk:Ckatz|<sup style="color:green;">chat</sup>]][[Special:Contributions/Ckatz|<sub style="color:red;">spy</sub>]]</small>'' 21:30, 20 April 2010 (UTC)
:I'm seconding this; I have noticed you using "State of" far more than generally necessary. The official names DO include 'State of' (or 'Commonwealth of') but in my opinion, you overuses the format. --[[User:Golbez|Golbez]] ([[User talk:Golbez|talk]]) 21:40, 20 April 2010 (UTC)
::Thirded. And I don't think the various rivers (Wisconsin, Ohio) need to be called out especially on the hatnotes; people will normally search for "Wisconsin River" if they intend the river. Is there some related discussion? -- [[User:JHunterJ|JHunterJ]] ([[User talk:JHunterJ|talk]]) 01:24, 21 April 2010 (UTC)
The first invocation of the name of the subject of an article should be the proper name of the subject.  I know because I work for one of them.  Each of the 50 states is very particular about always using its full official name.  Take a look at the state seals (except the [[Seal of Pennsylvania]] which befuddles everyone.)

The Wisconsin River and the Minnesota River may not be easily confused with the states, but the Mississippi River, Missouri River, Ohio River, Arkansas River, and Colorado River often are.  [[User:Buaidh|Buaidh]] ([[User talk:Buaidh#top|talk]]) 14:12, 21 April 2010 (UTC)
:Would you really suggest saying "United Mexican States" as the first invocation of Mexico in any article on Wikipedia? --[[User:Golbez|Golbez]] ([[User talk:Golbez|talk]]) 15:26, 21 April 2010 (UTC)

:I disagree that readers looking for the Ohio River would expect to find it titled "Ohio". Can you provide a link to the centuries-old rule?  [[WP:LEDE]] just indicates that the page title should be used. I don't think the states' particularities are covered in the Wikipedia guidelines. Thanks! -- [[User:JHunterJ|JHunterJ]] ([[User talk:JHunterJ|talk]]) 14:18, 21 April 2010 (UTC)

:I think we need to restore the previous format for the lead paragraphs, and then (if desired) start a discussion as to whether or not to use the "State of" format. As it is, the articles now look uniformly, well, ''odd''. It also looks odd on the disambiguation pages affected by this, such as [[Colorado (disambiguation)]].

== Dablinks above infoboxes ==
Regarding [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=United_States&diff=357259997&oldid=357206123 your edit] to [[United States]], dablinks belong ''above'' infoboxes (as well as maintenance templates, also). So I undid your edit. <span style="font-family:Verdana;">[[User:Gary King|<span style="color: #02b;">Gary&nbsp;<b>King</b></span>]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Gary King|<span style="color: #02e;">talk</span>]])</span> 01:13, 21 April 2010 (UTC)
:Thanks, I had a mental lapse.  [[User:Buaidh|Buaidh]] ([[User talk:Buaidh#top|talk]]) 13:12, 21 April 2010 (UTC)

== state of Colorado ==

It's a lot of work to always change this grammatical error that people ''always'' make. These words are modifiers and are '''not''' capitalized. For example, "The city of New York is in the state of New York." I don't have time to go through the entire article now, but for future reference, please take care to avoid doing this again. – <i><span style="color:#104FFF;">Ker</span><span style="color:#187FFF;">αun</span><span style="color:#18AFFF;">oςc</span><span style="color:#18DFFF;">op</span><span style="color:#18FFFF;">ia<sup>◁</sup></span>[[User_talk:Keraunoscopia|<sub style="color:#5E1FFF;">galaxies</sub>]]</i> 18:25, 22 April 2010 (UTC)

:You clearly do not understand this issue and are in error.  Please do not make any further edits to the 50 United States.  [[User:Buaidh|Buaidh]] ([[User talk:Buaidh#top|talk]]) 18:36, 22 April 2010 (UTC)

::It's grammar 101, Buaidh. – <i><span style="color:#104FFF;">Ker</span><span style="color:#187FFF;">αun</span><span style="color:#18AFFF;">oςc</span><span style="color:#18DFFF;">op</span><span style="color:#18FFFF;">ia<sup>◁</sup></span>[[User_talk:Keraunoscopia|<sub style="color:#5E1FFF;">galaxies</sub>]]</i> 18:40, 22 April 2010 (UTC)

:::Its not a matter of grammar.  Its a matter of law in the Unites States.  If a state wishes to call itself [[Howard the Duck]], it has the right to do so, even if grammatically it should be Howard the duck.  [[User:Buaidh|Buaidh]] ([[User talk:Buaidh#top|talk]]) 18:44, 22 April 2010 (UTC)

::::What... kind of logic is that? Howard the Duck, in its entirety, is a proper noun and also a title of a movie; of course it's going to be capitalized. City documents almost always refer to themselves as, say, the City of New York, with "the City" used as a self-reference for the remainder of the document, both on formal documents, on their websites, and even in civil engineering reports. This is grammatically incorrect but is done for clarification purposes. But it is still ''grammatically incorrect''.  Wikipedia is neither a formal document nor are the articles owned by any specific city or state (obviously). Grammar rules apply to Wikipedia as they would any reading material for the layperson. Nearly every single US state article is incorrect; I watch over the [[state of Colorado]] article exclusively; I don't have time to watch over all the other articles to correct these mistakes. People don't need to be grammarians to contribute to Wikipedia; editors like myself who are a little more familiar with the rules of the English language go through and fix these errors. That's how this site works. But it's very frustrating when an editor comes along and dedicates several edits to altering grammatical corrections! So no matter what you believe, please do not capitalize "state of" (even "commonwealth of" should be lowercased) in your future edits. – <i><span style="color:#104FFF;">Ker</span><span style="color:#187FFF;">αun</span><span style="color:#18AFFF;">oςc</span><span style="color:#18DFFF;">op</span><span style="color:#18FFFF;">ia<sup>◁</sup></span>[[User_talk:Keraunoscopia|<sub style="color:#5E1FFF;">galaxies</sub>]]</i> 19:01, 22 April 2010 (UTC)

:::::You don't think the [[State of Colorado]] is a proper noun?  Au contraire, [[Colorado]] did not exist until the [[U.S. Congress]] decided to create the [[Territory of Colorado]] in 1861,<ref name=ColoradoTerritory>{{cite web|date=February 28, 1861|url=http://www.colorado.gov/dpa/doit/archives/territory.pdf|title=An Act to provide a temporary Government for the Territory of Colorado|format=[[PDF]]|publisher=[[Thirty-sixth United States Congress]]|accessdate=April 22, 2010}}</ref> naming it for a river that did not flow through the territory.  The Territory of Colorado and the State of Colorado are proper nouns for political entities created by the federal government.  Colorado is a nickname referring to either of those entities, as well as the river.  [[User:Buaidh|Buaidh]] ([[User talk:Buaidh#top|talk]]) 19:12, 22 April 2010 (UTC)

'''Third opinion''': In [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=California&diff=prev&oldid=357666436 this context], it should be written like "state of California", not "State of California". — [[User:HelloAnnyong|'''<span style="color: #aaa">Hello</span><span style="color: #666">Annyong</span>''']] <sup>[[User_talk:HelloAnnyong|(say whaaat?!)]]</sup> 19:30, 22 April 2010 (UTC)

:Why do you say that?  [[User:Buaidh|Buaidh]] ([[User talk:Buaidh#top|talk]]) 19:35, 22 April 2010 (UTC)

::Because in that context, it's not the "state of California" as a proper noun. — [[User:HelloAnnyong|'''<span style="color: #aaa">Hello</span><span style="color: #666">Annyong</span>''']] <sup>[[User_talk:HelloAnnyong|(say whaaat?!)]]</sup> 19:38, 22 April 2010 (UTC)

:Please look in the reference above, and note the phrase "temporary government by the name of the Territory of Colorado".  It is not written as a "temporary government for the territory by the name of Colorado".  The entity created is the "Territory of Colorado", not a "territory named Colorado".  "Territory of Colorado", "State of Colorado", and "Colorado River" are all proper nouns.  "Colorado" is a shortened form and an official nickname for all three.  There is no state officially named "Colorado".  There is a state officially named the "State of Colorado".  This is at least the opinion of the government of the State of Colorado, for whom I work.

:I realize that the shortened name for each of the 50 [[U.S. state]]s is used far more than the official name.  This does not mean that the shortened names of the states have supplanted the official names.  This is why I listed both the shortened names and official names of the 50 states in the [[U.S. state#List of states]], though these have subsequently been removed by editors who felt the official names are no longer important.  These editors feel the official names are a mere formality.  I tend to see it as a "dumbing-down" of Wikipedia.  My six-year-old grandson seems to understand this just fine.

:When you write the "state of California" you literally mean the "state named the State of California".  This use is extremely common and is actually recommended by the [[Associated Press Stylebook and Libel Manual]].  Since this use implies redundancy and is virtually the same as the official name of 45 of the states, I generally prefer to use the official state name.

:There does seem to be some generational bias on this issue.  I notice that most younger editors tend to abhor redundancy, while most editors over 50 (some of us, far over) tend to choose precision over simplicity.  Obviously, I'm old school.  Yours aye, --[[User:Buaidh|Buaidh]] ([[User talk:Buaidh#top|talk]]) 19:51, 22 April 2010 (UTC)
::It is not as simple as you make it out to be. If you are talking about the geographical place, you say, "Marvin moved to the state of Colorado". If you are referring to the government or its official name, you  capitalize it: The "State of Colorado is suing Marvin". -[[User:Rrius|Rrius]] ([[User talk:Rrius|talk]]) 00:39, 23 April 2010 (UTC)

:::You are correct that "state of Colorado" is commonly used to denote the state in an unofficial sense, and "State of Colorado" is used to denote the state in an official sense.  If you are going to use the "state of Colorado" in an unofficial sense, there is really no need to add the "state of".  Your choice should be among the "State of Colorado", "Colorado", or just the "state".

:::"Marvin moved to '''Colorado'''.  He is now a resident of the '''State of Colorado'''.  Marvin likes everything about the '''state''' except its weather."  [[User:Buaidh|Buaidh]] ([[User talk:Buaidh#top|talk]]) 13:18, 23 April 2010 (UTC)

::::There's still the fourth option, which is "state of Colorado". However, I've found that in these articles, the state is being referred to in a non-governmental capacity and "state of" is far overused throughout the body of the text. Also, a good discussion took place on the [[Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(capital_letters)#State_of_.28U.S._state.29|Manual of Style talk page]] which clarified a lot of the issues. In short, writing "State of Colorado" (capital S) throughout the entire state article is ''incorrect'' and, actually, completely unneeded. – <i><span style="color:#104FFF;">Ker</span><span style="color:#187FFF;">αun</span><span style="color:#18AFFF;">oςc</span><span style="color:#18DFFF;">op</span><span style="color:#18FFFF;">ia<sup>◁</sup></span>[[User_talk:Keraunoscopia|<sub style="color:#5E1FFF;">galaxies</sub>]]</i> 18:39, 23 April 2010 (UTC)

:::::I agree.  I believe that the official name of the state should be stated in the first sentence, and seldom if ever thereafter.  I think we should avoid the use of the "state of X" since it leads to confusion with the official name of the state.  Yours aye, [[User:Buaidh|Buaidh]] ([[User talk:Buaidh#top|talk]]) 18:47, 23 April 2010 (UTC)
::::::Styles guides don't agree that it is "he is a resident of the State of Colorado". By and large they call for "state of Colorado" in that context because he is not a resident of the government, but of the place. -[[User:Rrius|Rrius]] ([[User talk:Rrius|talk]]) 00:00, 24 April 2010 (UTC)

:::::::There is no place properly named the "state of Colorado.  There is a place called "Colorado".  Please take a look in any gazetteer.  I don't know where all this nonsense comes from.  Furthermore, state government confers residency status according to state law.  "You can look it up."  Yours aye, [[User:Buaidh|Buaidh]] ([[User talk:Buaidh#top|talk]]) 21:18, 24 April 2010 (UTC)
::::::::Quite. That's exactly why, when talking about the place, you say "state of Colorado", but when you are talking about the political entity, you say "State of Colorado". -[[User:Rrius|Rrius]] ([[User talk:Rrius|talk]]) 21:20, 24 April 2010 (UTC)

:::::::::I'm totally confused.  What's your point again?  [[User:Buaidh|Buaidh]] ([[User talk:Buaidh#top|talk]]) 21:23, 24 April 2010 (UTC)
::::::::::It is as it has ever been: whether "state" is capitalized depends upon whether you are talking about the place or the government. Since, in the example above, we are talking about the ''place'' he resides, we write "Marvin lives in the state of Colorado". If "state" were part of the name of the place, it would be capitalized because it would be part of a proper noun. Since it is not, and is merely a descriptor, it should not be capitalized. The word "state" ''is'' part of the official name of the governmental entity, which is why it is capitalized when used in that way. -[[User:Rrius|Rrius]] ([[User talk:Rrius|talk]]) 21:36, 24 April 2010 (UTC)

:::::::::::"Indiana" is merely a place name but the "State of Indiana" is a political entity as well as the geographic territory granted to that entity and the citizens of that entity.  To use the term "state of Indiana" rather than merely "Indiana" confuses the place name with the political entity.  I think that is why so many people are confused about the proper use of "state of Indiana" versus "State of Indiana".  [[User:Buaidh|Buaidh]] ([[User talk:Buaidh#top|talk]]) 21:23, 24 April 2010 (UTC)
::::::::::::Now I see the source of your confusion: The "State of Indiana" is the governmental entity and not the territory. The territory is called "Indiana" or the "state of Indiana". -[[User:Rrius|Rrius]] ([[User talk:Rrius|talk]]) 21:42, 24 April 2010 (UTC)

'''NO! NO! NO!'''  Please read the Colorado Organic Act.<ref name=ColoradoTerritory/>  Why would the political entity created by this act of Congress be called the "[[Territory of Colorado]]" if it did not include the physical territory of "[[Colorado Territory|Colorado]]"?  [[User:Buaidh|Buaidh]] ([[User talk:Buaidh#top|talk]]) 00:05, 25 April 2010 (UTC)

== Talkback ==

{{talkback|Keraunoscopia|State of|ts=18:39, 22 April 2010 (UTC)}}
<i><span style="color:#104FFF;">Ker</span><span style="color:#187FFF;">αun</span><span style="color:#18AFFF;">oςc</span><span style="color:#18DFFF;">op</span><span style="color:#18FFFF;">ia<sup>◁</sup></span>[[User_talk:Keraunoscopia|<sub style="color:#5E1FFF;">galaxies</sub>]]</i> 18:39, 22 April 2010 (UTC)

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== Re: Userbox ==

Thanks for the addition, but I think the few I have are alright as they are.&nbsp;&mdash;[[User:Platypus222|'''Platypus Man''']] <small>| [[User talk:Platypus222|''Talk'']]</small> 16:25, 26 April 2010 (UTC)

== WikiProject Kansas ==

{{Wikipedia:WikiProject Kansas/Invitation|Signature=[[User:Ilamb94|ilamb94]] ([[User talk:Ilamb94|talk]]) 23:14, 30 April 2010 (UTC)}}

== Template:Porta and Template:Portb ==
--[[User:Buaidh|Buaidh]] ([[User talk:Buaidh#top|talk]]) 17:39, 22 May 2010 (UTC)
Hi, I have started a discussion about your templates {{tlx|porta}} and {{tlx|portb}} on [[Template talk:Portal#Template:Porta and Template:Portb]], you are welcome to comment there. [[User:Svick|Svick]] ([[User talk:Svick|talk]]) 19:42, 21 May 2010 (UTC)
:Also, I think you use the alt text incorrectly, e.g. [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:EnergyPortal&diff=363417229 in this edit]. It shouldn't be added to images that are purely decorative (see [[WP:ALT]]), which the portal icons certainly are. [[User:Svick|Svick]] ([[User talk:Svick|talk]]) 19:46, 21 May 2010 (UTC)
The images on most portal linkboxes are far more than decorative.  They are most commonly the official flag of a political entity or an emblem of the WikiProject.  Yours aye, [[User:Buaidh|Buaidh]] ([[User talk:Buaidh#top|talk]]) 19:50, 21 May 2010 (UTC)
:No, the icons are decorative, because they “provide no information and serve only an aesthetic purpose”. [[User:Svick|Svick]] ([[User talk:Svick|talk]]) 20:01, 21 May 2010 (UTC)
::I disagree.  If the images on portal linkboxes are strictly decorative and have no utility, then why are they included in virtually every portal linkbox?  Each portal linkbox image provides a visual link to the portal, that is why the effort was made to standardize the portal linkbox images.  Yours aye, [[User:Buaidh|Buaidh]] ([[User talk:Buaidh#top|talk]]) 20:01, 21 May 2010 (UTC)
:::I didn't say they have no utility, just that they don't provide any information. They are there to look pretty and to help visually identify the portal. But if you used text-only browser or screen reader (which is the main reason for alt text), knowing that there is “Energy emblem” beside link to Energy portal or “The Flag of Puerto Rico” beside link to Portal Puerto Rico doesn't help you in any way and only distracts you. [[User:Svick|Svick]] ([[User talk:Svick|talk]]) 14:07, 22 May 2010 (UTC)
::::Again, I disagree.  A sightless user would probably have little use for alternate text for an icon, but a visually impaired user may well wish to know what is that fuzzy blob on the linkbox.  We need to consider all users.  [[User:Buaidh|Buaidh]] ([[User talk:Buaidh#top|talk]]) 17:39, 22 May 2010 (UTC)
:::::So what images do you think should have an empty alt? [[User:Svick|Svick]] ([[User talk:Svick|talk]]) 22:26, 22 May 2010 (UTC)
::::::Images that are strictly decorative and common icons such as arrows, stop signs, etc.  [[User:Buaidh|Buaidh]] ([[User talk:Buaidh#top|talk]]) 01:20, 23 May 2010 (UTC)

== Nomination for deletion of [[Template:Iowa portal]] ==
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== Nomination for deletion of [[Template:United States Virgin Islands portal]] ==
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== Nomination for deletion of [[Template:Guam portal]] ==
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== Nomination for deletion of [[Template:Maine portal]] ==
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== Nomination for deletion of [[Template:Northern Mariana Islands portal]] ==
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== Nomination for deletion of [[Template:South Dakota portal]] ==
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== Nomination for deletion of [[Template:Commonwealth realms portal]] ==
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== Nomination for deletion of [[Template:Antarctica portal]] ==
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== Nomination for deletion of [[Template:Asia portal]] ==
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== Civility ==

Please resolve disagreements with other editors through amicable discussion. Labelling other editors as vandals ([http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:WOSlinker&diff=prev&oldid=363768030], [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:List_of_U.S._state_portals&diff=363769065&oldid=363765553]) is not constructive and not acceptable. Thanks &mdash;&nbsp;Martin <small>([[User:MSGJ|MSGJ]]&nbsp;·&nbsp;[[User talk:MSGJ|talk]])</small> 18:20, 23 May 2010 (UTC)
:Thank you for apologising. But I would hope that you are not now going to call me a vandal for redirecting the template you created?! Apologies for not informing you, but I see that Svick did try to raise the issue with you above. &mdash;&nbsp;Martin <small>([[User:MSGJ|MSGJ]]&nbsp;·&nbsp;[[User talk:MSGJ|talk]])</small> 18:30, 23 May 2010 (UTC)
I'm very sorry.  I do wish you had notified me about your redirects.  I would not have blasted WOSlinker for merely trying to help.  [[User:Buaidh|Buaidh]] ([[User talk:Buaidh#top|talk]]) 18:37, 23 May 2010 (UTC)
:Well, we're all trying to help :) I look forward to participating in a proper discussion on these templates in due course. &mdash;&nbsp;Martin <small>([[User:MSGJ|MSGJ]]&nbsp;·&nbsp;[[User talk:MSGJ|talk]])</small> 18:42, 23 May 2010 (UTC)
I not really sure what was the logic behind redirecting [[Template:Port]] to [[Template:Portal]].  Template:Port does not interfere with Template:Portal or any other template.  Template:Port does provide functionality that Template:Portal does not.  I created virtually all of the templates that invoke Template:Port.  Yours aye, [[User:Buaidh|Buaidh]] ([[User talk:Buaidh#top|talk]]) 00:09, 24 May 2010 (UTC)
:Please see my note on [[Template talk:Portal]] about why we shouldn't have multiple templates for the same purpose. &mdash;&nbsp;Martin <small>([[User:MSGJ|MSGJ]]&nbsp;·&nbsp;[[User talk:MSGJ|talk]])</small> 12:03, 24 May 2010 (UTC)

==Portals==
Sorry I didn't get back to you about the questions you raised on my talk page some weeks back.  Basically the goals you mention are being achieved through the main template. ''[[User:Rich Farmbrough|Rich]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Rich Farmbrough|Farmbrough]]'', 19:36, 23 May 2010 (UTC).
:What about the issue of image borders and the automated resizing of images to accommodate those borders?  If I wish to generate a portal linkbox to Portal:England with an image border and a uniform image height of 24 pixels, I can invoke:
 '''<nowiki>{{portal|England|image=Flag of England.svg{{!}}border|size=22|height=44}}</nowiki>'''
:or I can invoke:
 '''<nowiki>{{port|England|border=yes}}</nowiki>'''
:The former requires either (1) an expicit invocation of the image file (bypassing the Template:Portal/Images files) with a border suffix, or (2) a permanent alteration of the Template:Portal/Images file which makes it impossible to remove the border for other users.  The former also requires an explicit resizing of the resultant image size.  --[[User:Buaidh|Buaidh]] ([[User talk:Buaidh#top|talk]]) 22:15, 23 May 2010 (UTC)
::Or you can specify it at [[Template:Portal/Images/England]], like it currently is. [[User:Svick|Svick]] ([[User talk:Svick|talk]]) 22:26, 23 May 2010 (UTC)
:::OK.  Same question, using [[Template:Portal/Images/Colorado]].  My point is that you can append a |border to any Template:Portal/Images file, but then you are stuck with the border forever and the apparent image size increases by two pixels in each direction.
:::Lets move this back to [[Template talk:Portal#Portals]].  --[[User:Buaidh|Buaidh]] ([[User talk:Buaidh#top|talk]]) 22:33, 23 May 2010 (UTC)

== The Template Barnstar ==


{| style="border: 1px solid gray; background-color: #fdffe7;"
|rowspan="2" valign="top" | [[Image:Blueprint Barnstar 2.PNG|100px]]
|rowspan="2" |
|style="font-size: x-large; padding: 0; vertical-align: bottom; height: 1.1em;" | '''The Template Barnstar'''
|-
|style="vertical-align: top; border-top: 1px solid gray;" | Thank you for all that you do that is not seen by the general public!! [[User:Moxy|Moxy]] ([[User talk:Moxy|talk]]) 16:34, 26 May 2010 (UTC)
|}

== Fungi portal ==

You're making a bloody mess of that template- please MOVE pages, don't copy paste them across, and do not tag pages you haven't created with {{tl|db-author}}. I'm not even seeing why it's so urgent it is moved- you certainly haven't explained anywhere. Please sort out the mess you've made, or I'll do it, with a hammer. [[User:J Milburn|J Milburn]] ([[User talk:J Milburn|talk]]) 16:23, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
:I'm sorry.  Where do you have a problem?  I'll be happy to reset everything.  --[[User:Buaidh|Buaidh]] ([[User talk:Buaidh#top|talk]]) 16:25, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
::Do not copy-paste move, do not tag pages with {{tl|db-author}} when you didn't create them, and explain your reason for changes to template names. [[User:J Milburn|J Milburn]] ([[User talk:J Milburn|talk]]) 16:44, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
:::Functionally nothing has been changed.  '''<nowiki>{{Fungiportal}}</nowiki>''' still works, as does '''<nowiki>{{fungi portal}}</nowiki>'''.  I'm sorry the <nowiki>{{db-author}}</nowiki> slipped in.  I've tried to be unobtrusive.  I apologize for any aggravation. --[[User:Buaidh|Buaidh]] ([[User talk:Buaidh#top|talk]]) 16:47, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

==Portals==
I have commented on the TfD page. ''[[User:Rich Farmbrough|Rich]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Rich Farmbrough|Farmbrough]]'', 12:41, 1 June 2010 (UTC).
:Really my only concern about dumping the individual portal boxes is not to make that page look bad - even though it is a back-room page.  Bringing portal and WPBox image size in line would do that, but who knows what opposition that might face. ''[[User:Rich Farmbrough|Rich]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Rich Farmbrough|Farmbrough]]'', 18:47, 2 June 2010 (UTC).

== Nomination for deletion of [[Template:Africa portal]] ==
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==Portal==
Sorry I misunderstood your use of the word "positional". Let me explain more fully.

The named parameters are flexible,and yes they are better than positional parameters for doing anything complex.  But the thrust here is simplicity:

# Very widely used template (nearly 3 million pages, well over 3 million uses I would estimate), therefore it should be simply implemented (despite a very old injunction by then tech. god Brion Vibber not to worry about performance).
# This is use on the article pages, therefore it should follow a consistent look and feel. 
# The template should be trivial to use.

So that's all very well, what are the confounding factors?  Here are the ones I have found. 

# Multiple portals - currently supported by {{Tl|Portal box}} - ideally they should be merged but to do that we need to get rid of the existing unlabelled (positional) parameters apart from <nowiki>{{{1}}}</nowiki>.
# Unusual but reasonable  - in terms of layout - uses of presentation parameters
# Not uniform with other "flag" templates such as WikiProject boxes, noticeboard boxes etc.

And here's what I propose to overcome those factors

# Remove all the old unlabelled (positional) parameters apart from <nowiki>{{{1}}}</nowiki> - this turned out to be much harder than expected
# Create and use two specific templates, one for task-forces in WikiProject banners, one for embedding in navboxen and infoboxen.
#* {{Tl|Portal frameless}} created and implemented
#* {{Tl|Portal taskforce}} created and implemented and de-implemented in case someone objects
# Create two new templates (and more if needed)
#* {{Tl|Project}} (displacing the existing {{Tl|Project}} to {{Tl|Project header}} ) and
#* {{Tl|Notice board}} 
These should have the same basic layout as {{Tl|portal}}, and will use the same images, but can have any fancy parameters required, since they will not be used on articles.

Hoped for result:
# Articles (and talk page banners) are all consistent with one another.
# {{Tl|Portal}} becomes trivial to use, less of a resource hog, and easier to maintain.
# Creating a new set of navflags for each new portal/project/interest group becomes unnecessary.
 
(Even given that the above was all resolved there are still questions, some very basic, that this exercise has raised. For example I discovered that Portal:Lost had been deleted (the actual portal not a template) after a discussion, and the page redirected to the appropriate WikiProject.  All well and good, but articles were now linking to WikiProjects which is a [[WP:Selfref]] we are not supposed to do.)

This is a fairly straightforward process that should have taken a couple of days, instead I have spent the best part of a month on it, and I know a number of other people have been working on it too.  Oh well, I hope it will be worth it.  ''[[User:Rich Farmbrough|Rich]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Rich Farmbrough|Farmbrough]]'', 13:52, 11 June 2010 (UTC).

:I am moving this conversation to [[Template talk:Portal#from User talk:Buaidh#Portal]].  --[[User:Buaidh|Buaidh]] ([[User talk:Buaidh#top|talk]]) 14:30, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

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 Lord Chaitanya knows everything that happens in all three phases (past, present, and future, of time. He knows that in the future some demoni people will serve Lord Advaita.

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 They will refer to Lord Advaita by the name "Shri Krishna". In this way they will reject the words of the true Vaishnavas.

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 These sinners will thus disobey the devotees who affirm that Advaita is "the greatest Vaishnava".

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 Many persons will consider themselves the followers of Lord Advaita, but they will not have the power to see how in the future they will be punished.

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 Lord Chaitanya, the crest jewel of they who know everything, knew all this. Therefore He did something to try to stop this from happening.

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 By punishing His mother, Lord Chaitanya showed the result that comes from offending Lord Advaita or any other Vaishnava.

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 No one can protect a person who has offended a Vaishnava.

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 Therefore one should avoid persons who offend Vaishnava.

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 One should avoid an offender, even if the offender is otherwise very qualified. A little association with an offender will make one fall down.

Text 131

 Who has the power to understand why the Lord gives punishment? By punishing His mother, He taught everyone.

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 Anyone who blasphemes they who use the word `Vaishnava" to address Lord Advaita will be punished. He will perish.

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 Lord Chaitanya is theSupreme Personality of Godhead, the master of all. To be called His follower is very great praise.

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 Without any intention to deceive, Lord Chaitanya openly said that Lord Nityananda is the Supreme Personality of Godhead Himself.

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 By Lord Nityananda's mercy I know Lord Chaitanya. By Lord Nityananda's mercy I know the Vaishnavas.

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 By Lord Nityananda's mercy offenses are destroyed. By Lord Nityananda's mercy one attains devotion to Lord Vishnu.

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 Blasphemy directed to Lord Nityananda's servants never enters my mouth. Day and night I happily sing Lord Chaitanya's glories

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 I carefully serve Lord Nityananda's devotees. Lord Chaitanya is the life and wealth of Lord Nityananda's servants.

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 A person who has only a little good fortune will not become Lord Nityananda's servant, for Lord Nityananda's servant is able to see Lord Chaitanya.

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 Anyone who hears this story of Lord Visvarupa becomes a servant of the limitless Supreme Personality of Godhead. He feels that Lord Nityananda is his very life.

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 Lord Nityananda and Lord Visvarupa do not have different bodies. This Mother Saci knew. Some other great souls also knew.

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 Glory to Lord Nityananda, who takes shelter of Lord Chaitanya! Glory, glory to Lord Nityananda, who is thousand-faced Ananta Sesha!

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 O Lord Nityananda, O king of Gauda-desa, glory to You! Who can attain Lord Chaitanya without first attaining Your mercy?

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 Anyone who loses Lord Nityananda will not be happy in this life.

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 Will I some day see Lord Chaitanya, Lord Nityananda, and their associates all thogether in one place?

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 Lord Chaitanya is my master. With great faith and hope I meditate on Him within my heart.

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 I bow down before Lord Advaita's feet. I pray that he will always be dear to me and that He will always stay in my thoughts.

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 The two moons Shri Krishna Chaitanya and Shri Nityananda are my life and soul. I, Vrindavana dasa, sing the glories of Their feet.  <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/95.132.82.156|95.132.82.156]] ([[User talk:95.132.82.156|talk]]) 13:50, 2 July 2010 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

== Nomination for deletion of [[Template:US historical outlines]] ==
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== Status report on the historical outlines ==

Buaidh,

All of the state historical outlines you created have been transferred into the history section of the corresponding [[Outline of the United States#States of the United States|state outlines]].  They are alive and well!

Of those, the ones up through [[Outline of Oregon|Oregon's outline]] have been further developed by the addition of the following 3 sections:
* history of state, by period
* history of state, by region
* history of state, by subject

And development will continue until all of your historical outlines are augmented.

[[User talk:The Transhumanist|<i>The Transhumanist</i>]]  01:55, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

== I would like to show you something... ==

Dear Buaidh,

Following is a list of searches that use Google to search the Wikipedia website:

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* [http://www.google.com/#hl=en&q=allintitle%3A+%22Kansas%22++-%22Kansas+Wikipedia%22+-category+site%3Ahttps%3A%2F%2Fbackend.710302.xyz%3A443%2Fhttp%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2F&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=&pbx=1&fp=8631cdd35a4d476d Kansas]
* [http://www.google.com/#hl=en&q=allintitle%3A+%22Kentucky%22++-%22Kentucky+Wikipedia%22+-category+site%3Ahttps%3A%2F%2Fbackend.710302.xyz%3A443%2Fhttp%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2F&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=&pbx=1&fp=8631cdd35a4d476d Kentucky]
* [http://www.google.com/#hl=en&q=allintitle%3A+%22Louisiana%22++-%22Louisiana+Wikipedia%22+-category+site%3Ahttps%3A%2F%2Fbackend.710302.xyz%3A443%2Fhttp%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2F&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=&pbx=1&fp=8631cdd35a4d476d Louisiana]
* [http://www.google.com/#hl=en&q=allintitle%3A+%22Maine%22++-%22Maine+Wikipedia%22+-category+site%3Ahttps%3A%2F%2Fbackend.710302.xyz%3A443%2Fhttp%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2F&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=&pbx=1&fp=8631cdd35a4d476d Maine]
* [http://www.google.com/#hl=en&q=allintitle%3A+%22Maryland%22++-%22Maryland+Wikipedia%22+-category+site%3Ahttps%3A%2F%2Fbackend.710302.xyz%3A443%2Fhttp%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2F&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=&pbx=1&fp=8631cdd35a4d476d Maryland]
* [http://www.google.com/#hl=en&q=allintitle%3A+%22Massachusetts%22++-%22Massachusetts+Wikipedia%22+-category+site%3Ahttps%3A%2F%2Fbackend.710302.xyz%3A443%2Fhttp%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2F&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=&pbx=1&fp=8631cdd35a4d476d Massachusetts]
* [http://www.google.com/#hl=en&q=allintitle%3A+%22Michigan%22++-%22Michigan+Wikipedia%22+-category+site%3Ahttps%3A%2F%2Fbackend.710302.xyz%3A443%2Fhttp%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2F&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=&pbx=1&fp=8631cdd35a4d476d Michigan]
* [http://www.google.com/#hl=en&q=allintitle%3A+%22Minnesota%22++-%22Minnesota+Wikipedia%22+-category+site%3Ahttps%3A%2F%2Fbackend.710302.xyz%3A443%2Fhttp%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2F&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=&pbx=1&fp=8631cdd35a4d476d Minnesota]
* [http://www.google.com/#hl=en&q=allintitle%3A+%22Mississippi%22++-%22Mississippi+Wikipedia%22+-category+site%3Ahttps%3A%2F%2Fbackend.710302.xyz%3A443%2Fhttp%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2F&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=&pbx=1&fp=8631cdd35a4d476d Mississippi]
* [http://www.google.com/#hl=en&q=allintitle%3A+%22Missouri%22++-%22Missouri+Wikipedia%22+-category+site%3Ahttps%3A%2F%2Fbackend.710302.xyz%3A443%2Fhttp%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2F&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=&pbx=1&fp=8631cdd35a4d476d Missouri]
* [http://www.google.com/#hl=en&q=allintitle%3A+%22Nebraska%22++-%22Nebraska+Wikipedia%22+-category+site%3Ahttps%3A%2F%2Fbackend.710302.xyz%3A443%2Fhttp%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2F&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=&pbx=1&fp=8631cdd35a4d476d Nebraska]
* [http://www.google.com/#hl=en&q=allintitle%3A+%22Nevada%22++-%22Nevada+Wikipedia%22+-category+site%3Ahttps%3A%2F%2Fbackend.710302.xyz%3A443%2Fhttp%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2F&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=&pbx=1&fp=8631cdd35a4d476d Nevada]
* [http://www.google.com/#hl=en&q=allintitle%3A+%22New_Hampshire%22++-%22New_Hampshire+Wikipedia%22+-category+site%3Ahttps%3A%2F%2Fbackend.710302.xyz%3A443%2Fhttp%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2F&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=&pbx=1&fp=8631cdd35a4d476d New Hampshire]
* [http://www.google.com/#hl=en&q=allintitle%3A+%22New_Jersey%22++-%22New_Jersey+Wikipedia%22+-category+site%3Ahttps%3A%2F%2Fbackend.710302.xyz%3A443%2Fhttp%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2F&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=&pbx=1&fp=8631cdd35a4d476d New Jersey]
* [http://www.google.com/#hl=en&q=allintitle%3A+%22New_Mexico%22++-%22New_Mexico+Wikipedia%22+-category+site%3Ahttps%3A%2F%2Fbackend.710302.xyz%3A443%2Fhttp%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2F&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=&pbx=1&fp=8631cdd35a4d476d New Mexico]
* [http://www.google.com/#hl=en&q=allintitle%3A+%22New_York%22++-%22New_York+Wikipedia%22+-category+site%3Ahttps%3A%2F%2Fbackend.710302.xyz%3A443%2Fhttp%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2F&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=&pbx=1&fp=8631cdd35a4d476d New York]
* [http://www.google.com/#hl=en&q=allintitle%3A+%22North_Carolina%22++-%22North_Carolina+Wikipedia%22+-category+site%3Ahttps%3A%2F%2Fbackend.710302.xyz%3A443%2Fhttp%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2F&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=&pbx=1&fp=8631cdd35a4d476d North Carolina]
* [http://www.google.com/#hl=en&q=allintitle%3A+%22North_Dakota%22++-%22North_Dakota+Wikipedia%22+-category+site%3Ahttps%3A%2F%2Fbackend.710302.xyz%3A443%2Fhttp%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2F&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=&pbx=1&fp=8631cdd35a4d476d North Dakota]
* [http://www.google.com/#hl=en&q=allintitle%3A+%22Ohio%22++-%22Ohio+Wikipedia%22+-category+site%3Ahttps%3A%2F%2Fbackend.710302.xyz%3A443%2Fhttp%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2F&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=&pbx=1&fp=8631cdd35a4d476d Ohio]
* [http://www.google.com/#hl=en&q=allintitle%3A+%22Oklahoma%22++-%22Oklahoma+Wikipedia%22+-category+site%3Ahttps%3A%2F%2Fbackend.710302.xyz%3A443%2Fhttp%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2F&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=&pbx=1&fp=8631cdd35a4d476d Oklahoma]
* [http://www.google.com/#hl=en&q=allintitle%3A+%22Oregon%22++-%22Oregon+Wikipedia%22+-category+site%3Ahttps%3A%2F%2Fbackend.710302.xyz%3A443%2Fhttp%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2F&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=&pbx=1&fp=8631cdd35a4d476d Oregon]
* [http://www.google.com/#hl=en&q=allintitle%3A+%22Pennsylvania%22++-%22Pennsylvania+Wikipedia%22+-category+site%3Ahttps%3A%2F%2Fbackend.710302.xyz%3A443%2Fhttp%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2F&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=&pbx=1&fp=8631cdd35a4d476d Pennsylvania]
* [http://www.google.com/#hl=en&q=allintitle%3A+%22Rhode_Island%22++-%22Rhode_Island+Wikipedia%22+-category+site%3Ahttps%3A%2F%2Fbackend.710302.xyz%3A443%2Fhttp%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2F&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=&pbx=1&fp=8631cdd35a4d476d Rhode Island]
* [http://www.google.com/#hl=en&q=allintitle%3A+%22South_Carolina%22++-%22South_Carolina+Wikipedia%22+-category+site%3Ahttps%3A%2F%2Fbackend.710302.xyz%3A443%2Fhttp%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2F&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=&pbx=1&fp=8631cdd35a4d476d South Carolina]
* [http://www.google.com/#hl=en&q=allintitle%3A+%22South_Dakota%22++-%22South_Dakota+Wikipedia%22+-category+site%3Ahttps%3A%2F%2Fbackend.710302.xyz%3A443%2Fhttp%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2F&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=&pbx=1&fp=8631cdd35a4d476d South Dakota]
* [http://www.google.com/#hl=en&q=allintitle%3A+%22Tennessee%22++-%22Tennessee+Wikipedia%22+-category+site%3Ahttps%3A%2F%2Fbackend.710302.xyz%3A443%2Fhttp%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2F&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=&pbx=1&fp=8631cdd35a4d476d Tennessee]
* [http://www.google.com/#hl=en&q=allintitle%3A+%22Texas%22++-%22Texas+Wikipedia%22+-category+site%3Ahttps%3A%2F%2Fbackend.710302.xyz%3A443%2Fhttp%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2F&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=&pbx=1&fp=8631cdd35a4d476d Texas]
* [http://www.google.com/#hl=en&q=allintitle%3A+%22Utah%22++-%22Utah+Wikipedia%22+-category+site%3Ahttps%3A%2F%2Fbackend.710302.xyz%3A443%2Fhttp%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2F&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=&pbx=1&fp=8631cdd35a4d476d Utah]
* [http://www.google.com/#hl=en&q=allintitle%3A+%22Vermont%22++-%22Vermont+Wikipedia%22+-category+site%3Ahttps%3A%2F%2Fbackend.710302.xyz%3A443%2Fhttp%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2F&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=&pbx=1&fp=8631cdd35a4d476d Vermont]
* [http://www.google.com/#hl=en&q=allintitle%3A+%22Virginia%22++-%22Virginia+Wikipedia%22+-category+site%3Ahttps%3A%2F%2Fbackend.710302.xyz%3A443%2Fhttp%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2F&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=&pbx=1&fp=8631cdd35a4d476d Virginia]
* [http://www.google.com/#hl=en&q=allintitle%3A+%22Washington%22++-%22Washington+Wikipedia%22+-category+site%3Ahttps%3A%2F%2Fbackend.710302.xyz%3A443%2Fhttp%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2F&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=&pbx=1&fp=8631cdd35a4d476d Washington]
* [http://www.google.com/#hl=en&q=allintitle%3A+%22West_Virginia%22++-%22West_Virginia+Wikipedia%22+-category+site%3Ahttps%3A%2F%2Fbackend.710302.xyz%3A443%2Fhttp%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2F&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=&pbx=1&fp=8631cdd35a4d476d West Virginia]
* [http://www.google.com/#hl=en&q=allintitle%3A+%22Wisconsin%22++-%22Wisconsin+Wikipedia%22+-category+site%3Ahttps%3A%2F%2Fbackend.710302.xyz%3A443%2Fhttp%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2F&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=&pbx=1&fp=8631cdd35a4d476d Wisconsin]
* [http://www.google.com/#hl=en&q=allintitle%3A+%22Wyoming%22++-%22Wyoming+Wikipedia%22+-category+site%3Ahttps%3A%2F%2Fbackend.710302.xyz%3A443%2Fhttp%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2F&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=&pbx=1&fp=8631cdd35a4d476d Wyoming]

To look at them most effectively, load them into [[Firefox]] using the Firefox add-on called "Linky".  For instructions, see [[WP:LINKY]].  Or just do this:

<blockquote>Once you have Linky loaded into Firefox, highlight the above list by holding down your mouse button and dragging it down the list.  Then right click (which pops up a menu) and place the mouse pointer over "Linky".  Then click on "Open selected links in tabs".  They'll be loaded into windows (called "tabs") within Firefox, and you switch between them by pressing <code>ctrl-tab</code>.</blockquote>

It will open up a whole new dimension of wiki-browsing and wiki-editing if you use Linky and Firefox.  It's much faster to move back and forth between articles when they are loaded into Firefox tabs.

Anyhow, the thing I'd like you to see is the growth in the body of articles on the states.  (By the way, there's a feature in "advanced search" on Google to show 100 results at a time.)

I've been wondering if you have taken a look at Wikipedia's state articles using Firefox/Linky/Google.  And so I whipped up the links just in case you hadn't.

Let me know what you think.

If you have any questions about Firefox, Linky, Google, or Wikipedia, I'll be happy to answer to the best of my ability.

[[User talk:The Transhumanist|<i>The Transhumanist</i>]]  01:55, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

== Big RfD on micropolitan statistical areas ==

Hi. Apologies if you already knew, but I just wanted to be sure you had seen this: [[Wikipedia:Redirects_for_discussion#Abbeville.2C_LA_.CE.BCSA]] as it covers many redirects you created and I wondered if you might want to comment. I don't know enough about these issues to do so myself. Best wishes [[User:DisillusionedBitterAndKnackered|DBaK]] ([[User talk:DisillusionedBitterAndKnackered|talk]]) 10:15, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

== [[Outline of Saskatchewan]] has gone live ==

== Trying to get some sports outlines up to par as examples for sports editors to follow ==

* [[Outline of basketball]]
* [[Outline of motorcycles and motorcycling]]
* [[Outline of tennis]]
* [[Outline of cricket]]

Once these are well-developed, I can post them to Sports WikiProjects' talk pages so they can imagine the potential of outlines for their corresponding sports.

[[User talk:The Transhumanist|<i>The Transhumanist</i>]]  22:22, 28 October 2010 (UTC)

== Gaps in the outline collection, in case you have time ==

Here are some gaps in coverage I've noticed:

* Under culture, most of the sports are missing.
* Also under culture, [[Outline of cuisine]] is missing, and outlines for the major types of food.
* Geography is missing outlines for its branches:
** [[Outline of human geography]]
** [[Outline of physical geography]]
** Etc.
* Most of health is missing
** [[Outline of disease]]
** Outlines on the branches of medicine
** Etc.
* Many branches of science are missing
* And outlines for major types of animals
** [[Outline of mammals]]
** [[Outline of fishes]] (though we do have an [[Outline of sharks]]).
** [[Outline of insects]]
** [[Outline of dogs]]
** [[Outline of cats]]
** Etc.
* Eras of history that are missing include:
** [[Outline of the Industrial Revolution]]
** [[Outline of modern history]]
* Under wars, the following major wars are missing:
** [[Outline of World War I]]
** [[Outline of the Korean War]]
** [[Outline of the Napoleonic Wars]]
** [[Outline of the American Revolutionary War]]
* In philosophy
** The following two core branches are missing:
*** [[Outline of ethics]]
*** [[Outline of metaphysics]]
** And most of the philosophical sub-disciplines and major philosophies are missing
*** [[Outline of social philosophy]]
*** [[Outline of political philosophy]]
*** [[Outline of philosophy of language]]
*** [[Outline of philosophy of mind]]
*** [[Outline of philosophy of religion]]
*** [[Outline of philosophy of science]]
*** [[Outline of ancient philosophy]]
*** [[Outline of Medieval philosophy]]
*** [[Outline of modern philosophy]]
*** [[Outline of contemporary philosophy]]
*** [[Outline of analytic philosophy]]
*** [[Outline of continental philosophy]]
*** [[Outline of Eastern philosophy]]
*** [[Outline of existentialism]]
*** [[Outline of Marxism]]
*** Etc.
* Under religion, the following major religion is missing:
** [[Outline of Judaism]]
* Under psychology, or people, or somewhere...
** [[Outline of sex]]
* We're missing outlines for most of the scientific fields
** For a list of the fields, see[[Outline of science#Scientific fields]]
* Under transport, the following blatant gaps exist:
** [[Outline of roads]]
** [[Outline of bridges]]
** [[Outline of tunnels]]
** [[Outline of rail transport]]
** [[Outline of boats]]
** [[Outline of shipping]]

[[User talk:The Transhumanist|<i>The Transhumanist</i>]]  03:05, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

==Templates==

Are you the editor who listed our names on this page:  WikiProject Hawaii participants

I ask, because it lists one of my sandboxes, rather than my main user page.  I'm not sure that's a good idea, as a sandbox is variable. I deliberately moved that information temporarily from my main user page with cause.  Could you please just list my main user page instead of the sandbox?[[User:Maile66|Maile66]] ([[User talk:Maile66|talk]]) 16:57, 4 November 2010 (UTC)

== Location and interest user categories and templates ==

I noticed that you have been doing a lot of work recently to organize and standardize user categories and templates relating to location and interest, and I think you've made a lot of improvements. I would ask, however, that you avoid coding the templates in a manner that will make the categories virtually identical (and thereby diminish their usefulness). Let me use some of the various forms of {{tl|User interest Virginia}} as an example:

* "This user is interested in the United States Commonwealth of Virginia" / [[:Category:Wikipedians interested in Virginia]]
*: This is perfectly appropriate and useful.
* "This user has visited the United States Commonwealth of Virginia" / [[:Category:Wikipedians interested in Virginia]]
*: The fact of having visited Virginia does not automatically imply an interest in Virginia or in improving Wikipedia content related to Virginia. People visit many places without necessarily having any encyclopedically relevant interest in that place
* "This user has lived in the United States Commonwealth of Virginia" / [[:Category:Wikipedians interested in Virginia]]
*: Again, having lived in a place does not automatically imply an interest in that place.
* "A direct ancestor of this user was born in the United States Commonwealth of Virginia" / [[:Category:Wikipedians interested in Virginia]] and [[:Category:Wikipedians of American descent]]
*: Having a direct ancestor from a place does not automatically imply an interest in that place.
* "This user is a native of the United States Commonwealth of Virginia" / [[:Category:Wikipedians interested in Virginia]] and [[:Category:Wikipedians of American descent]]
*: Having been born in a place does not automatically imply an interest in that place.
* "This user lives in the United States Commonwealth of Virginia" / [[:Category:Wikipedians interested in Virginia]] and [[:Category:Wikipedians in Virginia]]
*: Living in a place does not automatically imply an interest in that place.
* "This user is a citizen of the United States Commonwealth of Virginia" / [[:Category:Wikipedians interested in Virginia]], [[:Category:Wikipedians in Virginia]] and [[:Category:American Wikipedians]]
*: Being a citizen of a place does not automatically imply an interest in that place.
* "This user loves the United States Commonwealth of Virginia" / [[:Category:Wikipedians interested in Virginia]]
*: This is more of a patriotic/political statement rather than a statement of encyclopedically relevant interest.

The reason I raise this issue is that I have used the subcategories of [[:Category:Wikipedians by interest in a region]] on various occasions to collaborate with editors who have expressed a real interest in a particular place. Filling these categories with the pages of users who merely have visited, lived in or live in, have ancestors from, were born in, or are fond of these places will significantly dilute the usefulness of the categories.

Interest and location are distinct characteristics, and it is more useful to maintain this distinction between the two category trees than to attempt to achieve more complete categorization. I look forward to your thoughts. Thank you, -- '''[[User:Black Falcon|Black Falcon]]''' <sup>([[User talk:Black Falcon|talk]])</sup> 03:07, 6 November 2010 (UTC)

:Thank you for your response at my talk page. To keep the discussion in one place, I have replied there ([[User talk:Black Falcon#User interest templates|section link]]). Best, -- '''[[User:Black Falcon|Black Falcon]]''' <sup>([[User talk:Black Falcon|talk]])</sup> 19:53, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

==[[:Category:Wikipedians of Puerto Rican descent]] ==
Hi there. I noticed you recreated this category just a few days after I deleted it as empty per C1. I notice, however, that the category still isn't populated. I've deleted numerous other categories you created as empty for not being populated within 4 days of creation as well. I would ask that you not create or recreate any categories unless you intend on populating them shortly after, as it just creates more work in C1 deletions. If you want these sort of categories to be exempt from C1 deletions (as I saw in your proposal on CfD several days ago), the proper venue to bring this up is [[WT:CSD]]. Thanks, [[User:VegaDark|VegaDark]] ([[User talk:VegaDark|talk]]) 22:46, 6 November 2010 (UTC)


== [[Outline of Iceland]] ==

I've just completed a major revision of it, adding lots of links.

Please have a look to see what's missing.  I've been staring at it for so long that I can't tell anymore.

[[User talk:The Transhumanist|<i>The Transhumanist</i>]]  03:37, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

== This just survived AfD ==

[[Outline of Canada]]

See the discussion at:

[[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Outline of Canada]]

[[User talk:The Transhumanist|<i>The Transhumanist</i>]]  23:27, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

== solicitud de traducción y mejoría por [[El Cerrito, Valle del Cauca]] y [[Campora San Giovanni]], gracias en antelación de verdadero corazón♥--[[User:Lodewijk Vadacchino|Lodewijk Vadacchino]] ([[User talk:Lodewijk Vadacchino|talk]]) 09:07, 10 November 2010 (UTC) ==

Muy Estimado Doctor,

la escribo desde Campora San Giovanni, y moralmente del Sudamerica para preguntarle si cortésmente pudiera traducir y mejorar el artículo sobre la ciudad nativa de mi comadre, puesto que mi inglés es escaso y tambaleante. he visto que también se ocupa de varios proyectos, y que le gustan las fotografías, las traducciones, la geografia, seré bien feliz de pasarle de ello alguien de mi pequeño burgo, o sea de Campora San Giovanni, aquí vive un hermosa comunidad latinoamericana, bien integrado junto a la comunidad eslava y árabe y asiática. dice este cierto de uno suyo cierta y preventiva respuesta la agradezco en antelación de verdadero corazón.. y le deseo Feliz Fin de Seman, portadora de paz y éxitos. 

P.D.:por el cambio tambien puedo traducirle en italiano, siciliano, piamontes y otros idiomas un articulo de su interes, un Feliz Fin de Semana todavia♥--[[User:Lodewijk Vadacchino|Lodewijk Vadacchino]] ([[User talk:Lodewijk Vadacchino|talk]]) 09:37, 12 November 2010 (UTC)


;Dear Doctor,

I write from Campora San Giovanni, and morally from South America to politely ask if I could translate and improve the article on my relative's native city, because my English is weak and shaky. I saw that also handles multiple projects, and he likes the pictures, translations, geography, I will be happy to pass it this one of my small town, or of Campora San Giovanni, here lives a beautiful Latin American community well integrated with the community Slavic and Arabic and Asian. one says that a true and preventive his answer thank you in advance of true heart .. and wish you happy weekend, brings peace and success.

PS: I can also change translated into Italian, Sicilian, Piedmontese and other languages an article of your interest, a Happy Weekend still♥--[[User:Lodewijk Vadacchino|Lodewijk Vadacchino]] ([[User talk:Lodewijk Vadacchino|talk]]) 09:37, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

== Check these out ==

* [http://toolserver.org/~nikola/grep.php?lang=en&wiki=wikipedia&ns=0 Grep] — search pages titles using regexps. 
* [http://toolserver.org/~magnus/catscan_rewrite.php CatScan] — powerful search using categories, included templates, etc.

When you feel like working on outlines again (the state and country outlines are still in partial stages of completion), you should find these tools very helpful in uncovering many related articles.  [[User talk:The Transhumanist|<i>The Transhumanist</i>]]  05:27, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

==Regional categories userbox templates==
The following table contains some proposed info text options for regional categories userbox templates.  The columns represent the following:
*option – arbitrary option numbers grouped by similarity.
*info – proposed userbox info text.  Wales is used as an example.  Many of the options are redundant, but provide slightly different info text.
The next five columns indicate the default regional user categories.  A blank indicates a default no.  The user may override any of these defaults.
*resident – whether to declare a subcategory of [[:Category:Wikipedians by location]] such as [[:Category:Wikipedians in Wales]] or [[:Category:Wikipedians in the United Kingdom]].
*citizen – whether to declare a subcategory of [[:Category:Wikipedians by ethnicity and nationality]] such as [[:Category:Welsh Wikipedians]] or [[:Category:British Wikipedians]].
*descent – whether to declare a subcategory of [[:Category:Wikipedians by ethnic or national descent]] such as [[:Category:Wikipedians of Welsh descent]] or [[:Category:Wikipedians of British descent]].
*interest – whether to declare a subcategory of [[:Category:Wikipedians by interest in a region]] such as [[:Category:Wikipedians interested in Wales]].
*project – whether to declare a subcategory of [[:Category:Wikipedians by WikiProject]] such as [[:Category:WikiProject Wales members]].
:My assumptions about the above categories are as follows:
:*A resident lives all or a substantial part of the year in the region.
:*A citizen may be either a native citizen or a naturalized citizen.
:*The term "native citizen" implies residence unless otherwise stated (to avoid the wordy "resident native citizen".)
:*The term "naturalized citizen" implies residence unless otherwise stated (to avoid the wordy "resident naturalized citizen".)
:*A descendant may be either a native or a direct descendant of a native.
:*A member of a project is interested in the region.
The next two columns indicate the type of project membership category
*type – type of project:  WikiProject, WikiProject task force, or WikiProject work group.
*member – type of membership:  member or participant
**<nowiki>[[Category:WikiProject Wales members|{{PAGENAME}}]]</nowiki>
**<nowiki>[[Category:WikiProject Wales participants|{{PAGENAME}}]]</nowiki>
**<nowiki>[[Category:Wales task force members|{{PAGENAME}}]]</nowiki>
**<nowiki>[[Category:Wales task force participants|{{PAGENAME}}]]</nowiki>
**<nowiki>[[Category:Wales work group members|{{PAGENAME}}]]</nowiki>
**<nowiki>[[Category:Wales work group participants|{{PAGENAME}}]]</nowiki>
*name – does the info text use the [[noun]], [[adjective]], or [[demonym]] form of the region name or the [[Nation|nationality]].
*special –
**option 0 displays no userbox, but may declare regional user categories
**option 1 is the default when no option number is passed
**option 99 is used when an incorrect option number is passed

{| class=wikitable
!option!!info text!!resident!!citizen!!descent!!interest!!project!!type!!member!!name!!special
|-
|0|| || || || || || || || || ||cats only
|-
|1||This user lives in [[Wales]]||yes|| || || || || || ||noun||default
|-
|2||This user resides in [[Wales]]||yes|| || || || || || ||noun||
|-
|3||This user is a resident of [[Wales]]||yes|| || || || || || ||noun||
|-
|4||This user is a part-time resident of [[Wales]]||yes|| || || || || || ||noun||
|-
|5||This user is a student in [[Wales]]||yes|| || || || || || ||noun||
|-
|6||This user currently studies in [[Wales]]||yes|| || || || || || ||noun||
|-
|7||This user currently works in [[Wales]]||yes|| || || || || || ||noun||
|-
|8||This user currently lives in [[Wales]]||yes|| || || || || || ||noun||
|-
|11||This user is proud to be a native citizen of [[Wales]]||yes||yes||yes|| || || || ||noun||
|-
|12||This user is a proud native citizen of [[Wales]]||yes||yes||yes|| || || || ||noun||
|-
|13||This user is a native citizen of [[Wales]]||yes||yes||yes|| || || || ||noun||
|-
|14||This user is a lifelong citizen of [[Wales]]||yes||yes||yes|| || || || ||noun||
|-
|15||This user was born and lives in [[Wales]]||yes||yes||yes|| || || || ||noun||
|-
|rowspan=2|16||This user is proud to be a naturalized citizen of [[Wales]]||rowspan=2|yes||rowspan=2|yes||rowspan=2| ||rowspan=2| ||rowspan=2| ||rowspan=2| ||rowspan=2| ||noun||rowspan=2| 
|-
|This user is proud to be a naturalized [[United Kingdom|British]] citizen living in [[Wales]]||nat&noun
|-
|rowspan=2|17||This user is a proud naturalized citizen of [[Wales]]||rowspan=2|yes||rowspan=2|yes||rowspan=2| ||rowspan=2| ||rowspan=2| ||rowspan=2| ||rowspan=2| ||noun||rowspan=2| 
|-
|This user is a proud naturalized [[United Kingdom|British]] citizen living in [[Wales]]||nat&noun
|-
|rowspan=2|18||This user is a naturalized citizen of [[Wales]]||rowspan=2|yes||rowspan=2|yes||rowspan=2| ||rowspan=2| ||rowspan=2| ||rowspan=2| ||rowspan=2| ||rowspan=2|noun||rowspan=2| 
|-
|This user is a naturalized [[United Kingdom|British]] citizen living in [[Wales]]
|-
|19||This user is a resident citizen of [[Wales]]||yes||yes|| || || || || ||noun||
|-
|21||This user is a nonresident citizen of [[Wales]]|| ||yes|| || || || || ||noun||
|-
|22||This user is a nonresident native citizen of [[Wales]]|| ||yes||yes|| || || || ||noun||
|-
|23||This user is a nonresident native of [[Wales]]|| || ||yes|| || || || ||noun||
|-
|31||This user is a proud native of [[Wales]]|| || ||yes|| || || || ||noun||
|-
|32||This user is a native of [[Wales]]|| || ||yes|| || || || ||noun||
|-
|33||This user was born in [[Wales]]|| || ||yes|| || || || ||noun||
|-
|rowspan=2|34||This user is proud to be [[Wales|Welsh]]||rowspan=2| ||rowspan=2| ||rowspan=2|yes||rowspan=2| ||rowspan=2| ||rowspan=2| ||rowspan=2| ||adjective||rowspan=2|
|-
|This user is proud to be a [[Wales|Welshman]]||demonym
|-
|rowspan=2|35||This user is [[Wales|Welsh]]||rowspan=2| ||rowspan=2| ||rowspan=2|yes||rowspan=2| ||rowspan=2| ||rowspan=2| ||rowspan=2| ||adjective||rowspan=2|
|-
|This user is a [[Wales|Welshman]]||demonym
|-
|41||This user is of [[Wales|Welsh]] ancestry|| || ||yes|| || || || ||adjective||
|-
|42||This user is of [[Wales|Welsh]] descent|| || ||yes|| || || || ||adjective||
|-
|43||This user is of [[Wales|Welsh]] heritage|| || ||yes|| || || || ||adjective||
|-
|44||An ancestor of this user was born in [[Wales]]|| || ||yes|| || || || ||noun||
|-
|51||This user is an interested native citizen of [[Wales]]||yes||yes||yes||yes|| || || ||noun||
|-
|52||This user is an interested resident citizen of [[Wales]]||yes||yes|| ||yes|| || || ||noun||
|-
|53||This user is an interested resident of [[Wales]]||yes|| || ||yes|| || || ||noun||
|-
|54||This user is an interested citizen of [[Wales]]|| ||yes|| ||yes|| || || ||noun||
|-
|55||This user is an interested native of [[Wales]]|| || ||yes||yes|| || || ||noun||
|-
|56||This user is an interested descendant of [[Wales]]|| || ||yes||yes|| || || ||noun||
|-
|57||This user is interested in [[Wales]]|| || || ||yes|| || || ||noun||
|-
|rowspan=6|61||This user is a member of [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Wales|WikiProject Wales]]||rowspan=6| ||rowspan=6| ||rowspan=6| ||rowspan=6|yes||rowspan=6|yes||rowspan=2|WikiProject||member||rowspan=6|noun||rowspan=6|
|-
|This user participates in [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Wales|WikiProject Wales]]||participant
|-
|This user is a member of the Wales task force||rowspan=2|task force||member
|-
|This user participates in the Wales task force||participant
|-
|This user is a member of the Wales work group||rowspan=2|work group||member
|-
|This user participates in the Wales work group||participant
|-
|71||This user is from [[Wales]]|| || || || || || || ||noun||
|-
|72||This user is a former resident of [[Wales]]|| || || || || || || ||noun||
|-
|73||This user has lived in [[Wales]]|| || || || || || || ||noun||
|-
|74||This user has visited [[Wales]]|| || || || || || || ||noun||
|-
|75||This user frequently visits [[Wales]]|| || || || || || || ||noun||
|-
|81||This user loves [[Wales]]|| || || || || || || ||noun||
|-
|82||This user longs for [[Wales]]|| || || || || || || ||noun||
|-
|83||This user wishes to be in [[Wales]]|| || || || || || || ||noun||
|-
|91||This user has family in [[Wales]]|| || || || || || || ||noun||
|-
|92||This user has friends in [[Wales]]|| || || || || || || ||noun||
|-
|93||This user has associates in [[Wales]]|| || || || || || || ||noun||
|-
|94||This user does business in [[Wales]]|| || || || || || || ||noun||
|-
|99||This user is associated with [[Wales]]|| || || || || || || ||noun||recovery
|-
|}
Yours aye, [[User:Buaidh|<span style="color:white; background-color:#552211;">&nbsp;Buaidh&nbsp;
</span>]] 16:32, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

Below are examples of each of the above userbox options as produced by '''prototype [[Template:Regbox]]''':
{{regbox|option=1|region=Afghanistan}}
{{regbox|option=2|region=Algeria}}
{{regbox|option=3|region=Argentina}}
{{regbox|option=4|region=Australia}}
{{regbox|option=5|region=Bangladesh}}
{{regbox|option=6|region=Brazil}}
{{regbox|option=7|region=Burma|title='''[[Burma|Myanmar]]'''|image=Flag of Myanmar.svg}}
{{regbox|option=8|region=Canada}}
{{regbox|option=11|region=China}}
{{regbox|option=12|region=Colombia}}
{{regbox|option=13|region=Democratic Republic of the Congo|the=the|title='''[[Democratic Republic of the Congo]]'''}}
{{regbox|option=14|region=Côte d'Ivoire|image=Flag of Côte d'Ivoire.svg}}
{{regbox|option=15|region=Egypt}}
{{regbox|option=16|region=Ethiopia}}
{{regbox|option=16|region=Florida|nation=United States|nationality=American}}
{{regbox|option=17|region=Germany}}
{{regbox|option=17|region=Guanajuato|image=Guanajuato Flag.svg|nation=Mexico|nationality=Mexican}}
{{regbox|option=18|region=Ghana}}
{{regbox|option=18|region=Scotland|nation=United Kingdom|nationality=British}}
{{regbox|option=19|region=India}}
{{regbox|option=21|region=Indonesia}}
{{regbox|option=22|region=Iran}}
{{regbox|option=23|region=Iraq}}
{{regbox|option=31|region=Italy}}
{{regbox|option=32|region=Japan}}
{{regbox|option=33|region=Kenya}}
{{regbox|option=34|region=North Korea|adjective=North Korean}}
{{regbox|option=34|region=South Korea|demonym=South Korean}}
{{regbox|option=35|region=Malaysia|adjective=Malaysian}}
{{regbox|option=35|region=Mexico|demonym=Mexican}}
{{regbox|option=41|region=Morocco|adjective=Moroccan}}
{{regbox|option=42|region=Mozambique|adjective=Mozambican}}
{{regbox|option=43|region=Nigeria|adjective=Nigerian}}
{{regbox|option=44|region=Pakistan}}
{{regbox|option=51|region=Peru}}
{{regbox|option=52|region=Philippines|the=the}}
{{regbox|option=53|region=Poland}}
{{regbox|option=54|region=Romania}}
{{regbox|option=65|region=Saudi Arabia}}
{{regbox|option=56|region=South Africa}}
{{regbox|option=57|region=Sudan}}
{{regbox|option=61|region=Russia}}
{{regbox|option=61|region=Spain|member=participant}}
{{regbox|option=61|region=Galápagos Islands|type=task force|project=Ecuador|image=Flag of Ecuador.svg}}
{{regbox|option=61|region=Southern California|type=task force|member=participant|project=California|image=Flag of California.svg}}
{{regbox|option=61|region=Guam|type=work group|project=Micronesia}}
{{regbox|option=61|region=French Polynesia|type=work group|member=participant|project=Polynesia}}
{{regbox|option=71|region=Syria}}
{{regbox|option=72|region=Taiwan}}
{{regbox|option=73|region=Tanzania}}
{{regbox|option=74|region=Thailand}}
{{regbox|option=75|region=Turkey}}
{{regbox|option=81|region=Uganda}}
{{regbox|option=82|region=Ukraine}}
{{regbox|option=83|region=United Kingdom|the=the}}
{{regbox|option=91|region=United States|the=the|title=[[United States|'''{{nowrap|United States of America}}''']]}}
{{regbox|option=92|region=Uzbekistan}}
{{regbox|option=93|region=Venezuela}}
{{regbox|option=94|region=Vietnam}}
{{regbox|option=99|region=Yemen}}
{{clear}}
Yours aye, [[User:Buaidh|<span style="color:white; background-color:#552211;">&nbsp;Buaidh&nbsp;</span>]] 01:26, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

P.S. – I really don't care for userboxes, but I am a pretty good coder.  (Do they still use that word?)  [[User:Buaidh|<span style="color:white; background-color:#552211;">&nbsp;Buaidh&nbsp;</span>]] 00:24, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

:Wow! This certainly is comprehensive. :)
:At the moment, I have just one suggestion: for categorization, I think that the "citizen" and "descent" categories ought to be replaced with "nationality" and "ethnicity" ([[:Category:Wikipedians by ethnicity and nationality]]). Categorization by descent (e.g., having a Welsh great-great-great-grandparent) should, I think, be discontinued in favor of categorization by active ethnic or national identification (e.g., identifying personally as "Welsh"); see [[Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/User/Archive/April 2008#Wikipedians by ancestry|this]] previous discussion.
:This type of change would not involve forgoing categorization for some options, such as "This user is of Welsh descent", and modifying categorization for others, such as "This user is Welsh". -- '''[[User:Black Falcon|Black Falcon]]''' <sup>([[User talk:Black Falcon|talk]])</sup> 17:35, 5 December 2010 (UTC)
::[[Nationality]] most commonly means [[nation]]al [[citizenship]].  National citizenship and national descent may be tied to a specific national region.  [[Ethnicity]], on the other hand, is often not tied to a specific region.  A person of [[Romani people|Romani]] ethnicity may live in one of many countries, as may a person of [[Samoans|Samoan]] ethnicity or [[Inuit]] ethnicity.  A separate series of userboxes is required for these ethnicities.  

::National descent and ethnicity are frequently merged into a common identity in some areas such as [[Britain]].  I am both [[Scottish]] by national descent and ethnicity, although I speak with an unmistakable [[United States|American]] accent.  National descent is definitively determined by genealogy, while ethnicity is determined by custom, language, upbringing, lifestyle, and personal choice.  I believe both national descent and ethnicity belong in Wikipedia.  Yours aye, [[User:Buaidh|<span style="color:white; background-color:#552211;">&nbsp;Buaidh&nbsp;</span>]] 16:33, 6 December 2010 (UTC)

:::<small>([[Help:Edit conflict|edit conflict]])</small> I'm afraid I expressed myself poorly. My point was unrelated to the difference between nationality and ethnicity, and I did not mean that we should replace "national descent" with "ethnicity" or add options for ethnicity userboxes. My suggestion is to not categorize by descent ([[:Category:Wikipedians by ethnic or national descent]]), which reflects a ''passive association'', and instead categorize only by ''active identification'' ([[:Category:Wikipedians by ethnicity and nationality]]). -- '''[[User:Black Falcon|Black Falcon]]''' <sup>([[User talk:Black Falcon|talk]])</sup> 17:15, 6 December 2010 (UTC)
::::Nationality is usually also a ''passive association'', but I find nationality and national descent both useful information.  [[User:Buaidh|<span style="color:white; background-color:#552211;">&nbsp;Buaidh&nbsp;</span>]] 17:23, 6 December 2010 (UTC)
::::If a user's interest in [[Denmark]] is because they have a ancestor from Denmark, why not let them declare that fact, regardless of whether they feel they are of [[Danes|Danish]] ethnicity?  [[User:Buaidh|<span style="color:white; background-color:#552211;">&nbsp;Buaidh&nbsp;</span>]] 17:29, 6 December 2010 (UTC)
:::::Nationality is not necessarily a passive association ([[nationalism]]) but, in any case, I have no objection to users declaring their ancestry via a userbox. My comment applies only to the creation of ''groupings'' of users (i.e. categories) on the basis of descent. -- '''[[User:Black Falcon|Black Falcon]]''' <sup>([[User talk:Black Falcon|talk]])</sup> 18:30, 6 December 2010 (UTC)
::::::I obviously don't have a problem with [[:Category:Wikipedians by ethnic or national descent]].  Genealogy is an active area of collaboration within Wikipedia.  Participation is strictly voluntary.  One of the reasons I ended up with so many options was so that a user could tell as little or as much about themselves as they wished.  [[User:Buaidh|<span style="color:white; background-color:#552211;">&nbsp;Buaidh&nbsp;</span>]] 18:43, 6 December 2010 (UTC)
:::::::Indeed, and there is [[:Category:Wikipedian genealogists]] and could be [[:Category:Wikipedians interested in genealogy]] and [[:Category:WikiProject Genealogy members]] ([[Wikipedia:WikiProject Genealogy]]). Having descent categories to support collaboration on genealogy topics would be like having ''Wikipedians who eat {Food type}'' to support collaboration on food- and drink-related topics—everyone has it or does it, but only a small percentage are interested in collaborating on it. Please see [[Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/User/Archive/April 2008#Wikipedians by ancestry|this]] CFD, where there was unanimous consensus to delete descent user categories.
:::::::As for the "many options", I ''do'' like that part. However, a user category is not an indivisible part of a userbox, and user categories are not merely a means for users to "tell ... about themselves" (i.e., they are [[WP:USERCAT|not merely bottom-of-the-page notices]]). -- '''[[User:Black Falcon|Black Falcon]]''' <sup>([[User talk:Black Falcon|talk]])</sup> 19:55, 6 December 2010 (UTC)

My language is often less than precise.  Can you think of any compelling reason to delete [[:Category:Wikipedians by ethnic or national descent]] other than the fact that you find it irrelevant?  [[User:Buaidh|<span style="color:white; background-color:#552211;">&nbsp;Buaidh&nbsp;</span>]] 20:01, 6 December 2010 (UTC)
:Certainly, and I probably should have explicitly stated the reasons sooner.
:[[Wikipedia:User categories|User categories]] are intended to be navigable groupings of users on the basis of characteristics that can facilitate encyclopedic collaboration; they are not intended to be used merely as bottom-of-the-page notices for self-identification or groupings for the purpose of [[WP:NOT#SOCIALNET|social networking]] or [[WP:NOT#SOAP|social or political identity-building]]. Categories grouping users by descent (a passive association) do not facilitate encyclopedic collaboration, since they do not reflect any encyclopedically relevant ability, activity, interest, knowledge, or skill. They do not even categorize by any sort of active identification (which could tenuously be linked to interest) but exist merely as directories of users by shared ancestry ([[WP:NOT#DIRECTORY|Wikipedia is not a genealogical directory]]). From a procedural standpoint, there is also the fact that consensus [[Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/User/Archive/April 2008#Wikipedians by ancestry|was reached]] at a deletion discussion to delete all categorization of users by ancestry, and categorization of users by descent is basically no different. -- '''[[User:Black Falcon|Black Falcon]]''' <sup>([[User talk:Black Falcon|talk]])</sup> 20:33, 6 December 2010 (UTC)
::The deletion of [[:Category:Wikipedians by ethnic or national descent]] certainly belongs at [[WP:CFD]].  Categorization by national descent is certainly a limited subset of categorization by ancestry.  Ancestry is a bottomless pit, with no limits to possible subcategories.  National descent is far more limited in scope.  Rather than delete Category:Wikipedians by ethnic or national descent, I would be inclined to change the name to restrict the category to only Wikipedians by national descent.  [[User:Buaidh|<span style="color:white; background-color:#552211;">&nbsp;Buaidh&nbsp;</span>]] 21:25, 6 December 2010 (UTC)
:::That's an interesting point on the difference between ancestry and ''national'' descent. I think it would be an improvement, but I still cannot see how it would facilitate encyclopedic collaboration. It seems to me that even national descent categories still would serve as either bottom-of-the-page notices or genealogical directories of users by shared descent. To phrase my implied question in another way: What benefit comes from grouping users by national descent? Thanks, -- '''[[User:Black Falcon|Black Falcon]]''' <sup>([[User talk:Black Falcon|talk]])</sup> 21:35, 6 December 2010 (UTC)
::::Many folks in North America, other than [[Indigenous peoples of the Americas|Native Americans/First Nations]] and [[African-Americans]], prefer to think of themselves in terms of national descent rather than ethnicity.  This is probably an artifact of the notion of the great [[melting pot]], where ethnicity was subsumed by the drive for homogeneity.  Having lost their connection to their origins, many now identify themselves by national descent since they no longer have nationality or ethnicity connections.  My assumption of a [[Scottish Gaelic|Gàidhlig]] username is a sad example of this attempt to reconnect.  Yours aye, [[User:Buaidh|<span style="color:white; background-color:#552211;">&nbsp;Buaidh&nbsp;</span>]] 22:26, 6 December 2010 (UTC)
:::::That makes sense in terms of identification, but then what's the rationale for having broad-based, international categories which are meaningful (potentially) for North America only? Perhaps most importantly, why does this make it necessary or useful to create a ''grouping'' of users instead of just allowing users to self-identify via the userbox? -- '''[[User:Black Falcon|Black Falcon]]''' <sup>([[User talk:Black Falcon|talk]])</sup> 23:09, 6 December 2010 (UTC)
::::::I've nominated the category tree for deletion [[Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2010_December_7#Category:Wikipedians_by_ethnic_or_national_descent_.28and_subcategories.29|here]]. [[User:VegaDark|VegaDark]] ([[User talk:VegaDark|talk]]) 02:00, 7 December 2010 (UTC)

== [[User:Buaidh/Please hold for member enrollment]] ==

Hi again - I have to say I am a bit troubled by your new user subpage. While I have no doubt your intentions are good, I have to say that it seems a little bit like gaming the system to avoid a C1 deletion for a category you created. How long, exactly, do you consider a "reasonable time" for the category to populate? The community has already come to this consensus with the 4 day rule with C1, it seems your holding pen is just a way to get around this consensus. I would like to know how long you intend to keep categories there, and I may nominate this page for MfD regardless of the answer, although the shorter amount of time over 4 days, the less likely I will. [[User:VegaDark|VegaDark]] ([[User talk:VegaDark|talk]]) 18:25, 20 November 2010 (UTC)
:The two categories on [[User:Buaidh/Please hold for member enrollment]] are excellent examples of categories that should be allowed to exist empty for more than four days.  There are obviously thousands of Wikipedians who are of Spanish and Portugese ancestry, but not one has yet enrolled.  The most probable reason is that many of these Wikipedians have enrolled in the older [[:Category:Spanish Wikipedians]] or [[:Category:Portuguese Wikipedians]] instead, many erroneously if they are not actually citizens of Spain or Portugal.  I can delete these categories, but I will just have to recreate them again latter.  Both these categories belong to the [[:Category:Wikipedians by ethnic or national descent]].  I believe that every legitimate national subcategory of the three categories [[:Category:Wikipedians by location]], [[:Category:Wikipedians by ethnicity and nationality]], and [[:Category:Wikipedians by ethnic or national descent]] should be allowed to exist empty for more than four days.  I try to manage these three categories (see above.)  I realize that this exception would be essentially impossible to codify, so I created [[User:Buaidh/Please hold for member enrollment]] as a temporary work-around.  If you think this is inappropriate, I will be happy to delete the page, but I don't know what alternatives exist.  Yours aye, [[User:Buaidh|<span style="color:white; background-color:#552211;">&nbsp;Buaidh&nbsp;</span>]] 21:10, 20 November 2010 (UTC)
::I don't think this discussion should discuss the particular categories in question (you may have noticed [[User_talk:Black_Falcon#Category:Wikipedians_by_ethnic_or_national_descent|the section]] I put on Black Falcon's talk page regarding this category tree, and how I believe it should be deleted as not fostering collaboration, making that portion of the argument moot), but rather the concept in general of keeping a "holding pen" for user categories until they populate.  I don't mind if you actually placed yourself in these categories (although user categories are intended for collaboration, so in general I would be against self-categorization for purposes other than collaboration, as such a use would be), but keeping a page essentially for the sole purpose of circumventing a C1 deletion seems a bit suspect. I think the proper way to address this would be trying to modify the C1 criterion to extend the grace period for user categories. In my experience, however, such categories can go months, even years (even as a bluelink) with only 1 or 2 users in them. I don't really think the category existing is going to make it much more likely that users will join, at least not anytime soon. This is why I wonder how long you intend to keep the categories here. I think more often than not, even if you left categories in there for months, many likely wouldn't populate. This particularly applies to "Wikipedians by descent" categories such as the ones in there which have no apparent collaboration value, so only users interested in self-identification would choose to join them. [[User:VegaDark|VegaDark]] ([[User talk:VegaDark|talk]]) 21:40, 20 November 2010 (UTC)
:::I think self-identification in and of itself has great potential value for both collaboration and encouragement of new users (that is, unless the self-identification is inherently offensive.)  I think the collaboration argument has been greatly overstated.  My experience has been that relatively few residents of a region actually contribute significantly to articles related to that region (unless the region has a great many users.)   I think the more important argument is that we wish to create a friendly and welcoming environment for users, especially users from poor and under-represented regions of the world.  That has been the primary focus of my participation in Wikipedia.  [[User:Buaidh|<span style="color:white; background-color:#552211;">&nbsp;Buaidh&nbsp;</span>]] 00:20, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

== Wikipedia Campus Ambassadors wanted in Bozeman, Montana ==

Hi!  I'm leaving you this message because you're listed as a member of WikiProject Montana.  The [[Wikipedia:Ambassadors|Wikipedia Ambassador Program]] is currently looking for Campus Ambassadors to help with Wikipedia assignments at Montana State University - Bozeman, which will be participating in the Public Policy Initiative for the Spring 2011 semester.  The role of Campus Ambassadors will be to provide face-to-face training and support for students on Wikipedia-related skills (how to edit articles, how to add references, etc.). This includes doing in-class presentations, running workshops and labs, possibly holding office hours, and in general providing in-person mentorship for students.

Prior Wikipedia skills are ''not'' required for the role, as training will be provided for all Campus Ambassadors (although, of course, being an experienced editor is a plus).

I know Montana is a big state, but if you happen to live near Bozeman and you are interested in being a Wikipedia Campus Ambassador, or know someone else from Bozeman who might be, please [[Special:EmailUser/Sross_(Public_Policy)|email me]] or leave a message on my talk page.--[[User:Sross (Public Policy)|Sage Ross - Online Facilitator, Wikimedia Foundation]] ([[User talk:Sross (Public Policy)|talk]]) 21:32, 3 December 2010 (UTC)

== Category:Wikipedians in government ==

Would you have any objection to [[:Category:Wikipedians in government]] being renamed to [[:Category:Wikipedian government workers]] per the convention of [[:Category:Wikipedians by profession]] (e.g. [[:Category:Wikipedian law enforcement workers]], not [[:Category:Wikipedians in law enforcement]]). Since you are the category's creator and only member, I thought it would be better to ask you directly instead of starting a CFD. Thanks, -- '''[[User:Black Falcon|Black Falcon]]''' <sup>([[User talk:Black Falcon|talk]])</sup> 22:16, 6 December 2010 (UTC)
:If I'm still the only member, we had better do something about this category.  Thanks, [[User:Buaidh|<span style="color:white; background-color:#552211;">&nbsp;Buaidh&nbsp;</span>]] 22:22, 6 December 2010 (UTC)

== Antarctica ==

Hi! So we haven't talked before, I saw you created/curated some of the userboxes about Wikipedians who have lived and worked in Antarctica. I was wondering... have you ever talked to another editor who is there? <span style="font-family:Georgia;">[[User:Steven (WMF)|Steven Walling at work]]</span> 20:33, 10 December 2010 (UTC)
:Not yet, although I'm sure there are several since there is not much else to do in the Antarctic winter.  Right now everyone is very busy with other work as we approach the solstice.  [[User:Buaidh|<span style="color:white; background-color:#552211;">&nbsp;Buaidh&nbsp;</span>]] 21:10, 10 December 2010 (UTC)

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== Hi ==

How have you been?  How are the grand kids?

I've noticed you've been incredibly busy.

How big is the category project you are working on?

Where do the ones for outline developers fit in?  [[User talk:The Transhumanist|<i>The Transhumanist</i>]]  05:02, 15 December 2010 (UTC)

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