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{{Property documentation
|description            = number of people who (passively) follow an event.  For permanent locations like {{q|33506}}, rather use {{P|1174}}.
|infobox parameter      = "attendance" in [[:en:template:Infobox International Football Competition]]
|domain                 = all kinds of {{q|1656682}}
|allowed values         = Positive integers
}}

{{ExternalUse|
* [[:de:Vorlage:Infobox Basketball-Saison]]
* [[:el:Κουτί πληροφοριών διεθνούς ποδοσφαιρικής διοργάνωσης]], [[:el:Πρότυπο:Κουτί πληροφοριών διεθνούς ποδοσφαιρικής διοργάνωσης]], [[:el:Πρότυπο:Κουτί πληροφοριών ποδοσφαιρικής περιόδου πρωταθλήματοςWikidata]]
* [[:hy:Կաղապար:Տեղեկաքարտ Ֆուտբոլային հանդիպում]]
* [[:ca:Plantilla:Infotaula Competició internacional de futbol]], [[:ca:Plantilla:Infotaula esdeveniment]], [[:ca:Plantilla:Infotaula premi]], [[:ca:Plantilla:Competició esportiva]], [[:ca:Plantilla:Infotaula competició esportiva/proves]], [[:ca:Plantilla:Proves competició esportiva]], [[:ca:Plantilla:Infotaula competició esportiva]]
* [[:it:Template:Infobox Coppa d'Europa di rugby]], [[:it:Template:Infobox European Challenge Cup]], [[:it:Template:Edizione del Pro14]], [[:it:Template:Infobox Sei Nazioni]], [[:it:Template:Edizione di competizione per club di rugby a 15]], [[:it:Template:Edizione di competizione internazionale di rugby a 15]], [[:it:Template:Incontro di calcio]], [[:it:Template:Tour musicale]], [[:it:Template:Incontro sportivo]]
* [[:es:Plantilla:FdeCOMPDEP]], [[:es:Plantilla:Ficha de competición deportiva]], [[:es:Plantilla:Ficha de evento]]
* [[:ast:Plantía:Ficha de competición deportiva]]
* [[:cs:Šablona:Infobox - hudební festival]]
* [[:pt:Predefinição:Info/Competição esportiva]], [[:pt:Predefinição:Info/Competição esportiva/Testes]]
* [[:be-x-old:Шаблён:Музычны фэстываль]], [[:be-x-old:Шаблён:Рэгулярная падзея]]
* [[:n:ca:Plantilla:Competició esportiva]]
* [[:vec:Modeło:Infobox de Avegnimento]], [[:vec:Modeło:Infobox de Conpetision sportiva]]
* [[:he:תבנית:תחרות כדורגל]]
* [[:ga:Teimpléad:WD Bosca Sonraí Comórtas Spóirt]]
* [[:be-tarask:Шаблён:Музычны фэстываль]], [[:be-tarask:Шаблён:Рэгулярная падзея]]
}}


== Guidelines ==

This property is currently described as "number of people at an event", which is not very precise. It is currently used in {{Q|4896006}} apparently in the sense of "number of people taking part to the events (that is it does not count spectators, as I would have thought at first sight). I think we need to define more precisely if and how this property (and others) can apply to football match, exhibitions, yearly number of visitors for a monument, number of journey in a metro line, number of people flying from an airport, unique visitors of a website (I am trying to find examples that are very dissimilar so that we can see more clearly that things may be tricky). --[[User:Zolo|Zolo]] ([[User talk:Zolo|{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}]]) 13:38, 1 February 2014 (UTC)
: The annual number of visitor of a national park can be tricky, if I remember correclty, the number of visitor of {{Q|1798539}} can be 160000 by unique visitor to near 300000 by visitor/day. I am not totally sur, but maybe we shoud create attendance properties with different time period, or add a qualifier to mark the period (year, month, week, day, event). I also see the problem for sport event since they have two type of peoples, the spectators and the players. --[[User:Fralambert|Fralambert]] ([[User talk:Fralambert|{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}]]) 04:45, 2 February 2014 (UTC)
::We now have {{P|1132}} whose meaning is clearer. Can we decide that this property should be the number of visitors/spectators and rename it accordingly ? {{ping|Danrok}}. Actually, it seems to be what was meant in the proposal, judging by the example. 
::About the time frame, I would suggest that, when the item is not a punctual event, we use start date - end date qualifiers. That way, things are explicit. I would say that the preferred time range should be one year, but it might happen that sources give other time lengths.
::For other issues, maybe we can use qualifiers like {{p|1013}} and revisit things once we have more data ? --[[User:Zolo|Zolo]] ([[User talk:Zolo|{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}]]) 14:05, 8 February 2014 (UTC)
:Yes, I agree attendance would be the number of "punters", bums on seats, etc. Whereas participants could be the performers, sportspersons, musicians, or similar. [[User:Danrok|Danrok]] ([[User talk:Danrok|{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}]]) 14:27, 8 February 2014 (UTC)
:Although, I am not so sure that it is a good idea to use {{P|1132}} to count teams or people. Perhaps, we need two types of {{P|1132}} property, one for counting people and one for counting groups (teams, organizations). Otherwise it may be difficult to use the data for comparisons, and statistics. [[User:Danrok|Danrok]] ([[User talk:Danrok|{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}]]) 14:37, 8 February 2014 (UTC)

== Use for films ==

I am wondering whether this property can be used to describe "tickets sold" for a film? I have made a tentative edit for {{Q|1215282}} [https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q1215282&type=revision&diff=788001995&oldid=744111343]. {{Q|1164337}} [https://www.dst.dk/da/Statistik/emner/kultur-og-kirke/film-boeger-og-medier/biografer-og-film shows] the results for "Solgte billetter" ("tickets sold"), rather than with a value that could be used with {{P|2142}}. I have also added a qualifier with {{P|17}}. Alternatively, a new property should be proposed. &mdash; [[User:Fnielsen|Finn Årup Nielsen (fnielsen)]] ([[User talk:Fnielsen|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 14:30, 12 November 2018 (UTC)
: I see that the property has already been used for French listings. 
{{SPARQL | query = SELECT ?film ?filmLabel ?attendance WHERE {
  ?film wdt:P1110 ?attendance .
  ?film wdt:P31 wd:Q11424 .
  SERVICE wikibase:label { bd:serviceParam wikibase:language "[AUTO_LANGUAGE],en". }
} }}
I note that the qualifier is used inconsistently {{P|291}} for {{Q|205028}} and while I initially used {{P|17}} I now see that for France {{P|3005}} is used, which I have switched to. &mdash; [[User:Fnielsen|Finn Årup Nielsen (fnielsen)]] ([[User talk:Fnielsen|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 21:36, 12 November 2018 (UTC)