Commons:Deletion requests/File:Brigitte Helm.jpg
This promo photo of German actress Brigitte Helm was uploaded to Europeana by some Lithuanian museum, which claims the image is in the PD. The image is signed "Kiesel", which is most likely German photo studio "Atelier Kiesel" from Berlin, active in the 1920s and 1930s (accd. to a Google and Google Books search).
For this image to be in the PD, the author (here: the photographer) needs to have died at least 70 years ago. But we don't really know who the photographer is (probably a man or woman named "Kiesel"), and the photographer's year of death is stated neither on Europeana nor here.
This means we cannot really say if this photograph is actually in the PD as claimed or not. A photographer who was active in the 1920s might well have lived beyond 1948, which would mean this image is still protected. The file therefore should be deleted per the precautionary principle. Rosenzweig τ 14:19, 2 March 2019 (UTC)
Deleted: per nomination. --Ymblanter (talk) 16:39, 10 March 2019 (UTC)
This file was initially tagged by EurekaLott as Copyvio (copyvio) and the most recent rationale was: Public domain in the U.S., but under copyright in Germany. See notice at Category:Metropolis (film). Rosenzweig τ 01:59, 4 January 2024 (UTC)
Keep I converted this into a regular deletion request (instead of speedy) because [1] suggests that this is not a frame of the actual film, but a photograph taken on the set. For Metropolis, which was shot in 1925/26, the still photographer was de:Horst von Harbou, who died in 1953. So his photographs are in the public domain in Germany now. I could not yet find a direct attribution of this photograph to Horst von Harbou, but it is very likely his work. The previously deleted Brigitte Helm file (see above) is another photo btw. --Rosenzweig τ 02:04, 4 January 2024 (UTC)
- Sorry for the confusion. Upon reflection, I also think this image is from a Harbou photo but can't find a good attribution either. On the other hand, there are very similar Harbou photos of the same scene here: [2]https://www.mutualart.com/Artwork/METROPOLIS-BY-FRITZ-LANG---PHOTOGRAPHS-F/9D7F07C2D6E0D666 and here [3]https://www.akg-images.com/archive/-2UMDHUNDDJJW.html. I'd like to post both on the site, assuming they fall with the guidelines. Bixly777 (talk) 18:44, 4 January 2024 (UTC)
- As long as you have a solid attribution of the photograph to Horst von Harbou, any of the Metropolis photographs should be ok. They were taken while the film was shot in 1925 and 1926, and most likely published as promotional material for the film (which premiered on 10 January 1927) in 1927 or 1928, so they should be OK in the US as well. Some behind the scenes shots were perhaps not published until 2003 or later, but then they're also in the public domain in the US per {{PD-US-unpublished}}. Anything by Horst von Harbou first published after 1928 and before 2003 is most likely not OK in the US (and therefore also for Wikimedia Commons) though, those will have to wait. --Rosenzweig τ 21:01, 4 January 2024 (UTC)
- After an extensive search, I found a couple of Harbou photos very similar to this, but nothing that exactly matches the photo in question. Go ahead and delete. Thanks. Bixly777 (talk) 18:55, 5 January 2024 (UTC)
- As long as you have a solid attribution of the photograph to Horst von Harbou, any of the Metropolis photographs should be ok. They were taken while the film was shot in 1925 and 1926, and most likely published as promotional material for the film (which premiered on 10 January 1927) in 1927 or 1928, so they should be OK in the US as well. Some behind the scenes shots were perhaps not published until 2003 or later, but then they're also in the public domain in the US per {{PD-US-unpublished}}. Anything by Horst von Harbou first published after 1928 and before 2003 is most likely not OK in the US (and therefore also for Wikimedia Commons) though, those will have to wait. --Rosenzweig τ 21:01, 4 January 2024 (UTC)
- Sorry for the confusion. Upon reflection, I also think this image is from a Harbou photo but can't find a good attribution either. On the other hand, there are very similar Harbou photos of the same scene here: [2]https://www.mutualart.com/Artwork/METROPOLIS-BY-FRITZ-LANG---PHOTOGRAPHS-F/9D7F07C2D6E0D666 and here [3]https://www.akg-images.com/archive/-2UMDHUNDDJJW.html. I'd like to post both on the site, assuming they fall with the guidelines. Bixly777 (talk) 18:44, 4 January 2024 (UTC)
- Keep If the attribution is an educated guess we should add "probably Harbou " or "most likely Harbou " and switch to {{PD-EU-no author disclosure}}. --RAN (talk) 01:06, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
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Kept: per discussion. --Infrogmation of New Orleans (talk) 02:42, 18 February 2024 (UTC)
