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"Flagcruft"

Everybody keeps quoting MOS:FLAGCRUFT. I have looked at MOS:FLAGCRUFT. What listed there is reason for removing these from the Race pages? We are not emphasizing a thing or person's nationality unnecessarily, as the flags represent the countries themselves as a whole, much like one would see on an Olympics page. We are not using a flag because a picture of someone is unavailable. We're not using subnational flags except for cases such as Hong Kong, and we're not using Supernational flags. We're not rewriting history, hence why we use the old "White circle" design of the Malawi flag on TAR19 even though that one is no longer used. And finally, this has nothing to do with genocide, and it is not a disambiguation page. So why is everyone citing MOS:FLAGCRUFT? Shadow2 (talk) 07:28, 17 October 2021 (UTC)

I agree with you, its just all the articles have no flags on them because of the cited "MOS:FLAGCRUFT". Perhaps its smart to start a discussion and get a consensus, and ofc I'd support it. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 17:16, 17 October 2021 (UTC)

Nomination for deletion of Template:2017 Asian Winter Games China men's ice hockey team roster

Template:2017 Asian Winter Games China men's ice hockey team roster has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the entry on the Templates for discussion page. WikiCleanerMan (talk) 20:56, 24 October 2021 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Category:2017 Asian Winter Games ice hockey team roster templates

A tag has been placed on Category:2017 Asian Winter Games ice hockey team roster templates indicating that it is currently empty, and is not a disambiguation category, a category redirect, a featured topics category, under discussion at Categories for discussion, or a project category that by its nature may become empty on occasion. If it remains empty for seven days or more, it may be deleted under section C1 of the criteria for speedy deletion.

If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and clicking the button labelled "Contest this speedy deletion". This will give you the opportunity to explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag from the page yourself. WikiCleanerMan (talk) 17:01, 31 October 2021 (UTC)

Nomination of 2020 May Kado massacre (2nd nomination) for deletion

A discussion is taking place as to whether the article 2020 May Kado massacre (2nd nomination) is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2020 May Kado massacre (2nd nomination) until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article.

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croatia

so we are just adding athletes in whether they are qualified or not now? Seems really inconsistent.18abruce (talk) 16:01, 11 December 2021 (UTC)

Not necessarily, there is a disclaimer of when its valid of, and its unlikely to change. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 16:02, 11 December 2021 (UTC)

Declined CSD

Hi, I'm wondering why you asked me to take Junior Eurovision Song Contest 2022 to AfD? The primary arguments in the prior AfD was that it was identical to the draft & TOOSOON, and the current article is almost identical (diff) to the draft before the AfD was closed. I'm not questioning your judgement or anything, just trying to understand where you're coming from. Thanks, Giraffer ^{(talk·contribs)} 19:38, 19 December 2021 (UTC)

Sorry, I didn't see that it was taken to AFD already. Had I seen that, I wouldn't have reverted. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 19:47, 19 December 2021 (UTC)

No worries. Giraffer ^{(talk·contribs)} 20:12, 19 December 2021 (UTC)

Curling

Hey Sportsfan 1234. Following up on our conversation from the other day, I would just like to discuss the curling summary tables on countries articles for the 2022 Games. I see you have been putting all of the opposition games in one box and keeping the font at regular size as you believe “codes + small writing is hard to read.” Personally, I think that this way looks very messy and is harder to read and keep track of then the way I have been doing it with all countries scores in individual boxes. The countries codes are not too challenging to read and the font size is not that small either. Also, keeping all of the teams in individual boxes is how it was done for the 2018 Games and it worked just fine so I think it is easier to keep it this way. Keeping the summary boxes this way also allows all the countries final scores to be added to the table (see Canada at the 2018 Winter Olympics#Curling) which I don’t think can be done with the way you currently have the tables setup. Again, just want to have a discussion before making a final decision and I apologize if I may be coming off passive in anyway. Thanks! TracyFleuryFan (talk) 07:28, 25 December 2021 (UTC)

Hi! The tables are very hard to ready on mobile. I was trying to format it in the way of how beach volleyball summaries. Somme thing like this [1]. "Keeping the summary boxes this way also allows all the countries final scores to be added to the table " What do you mean by this? Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 15:51, 25 December 2021 (UTC)

I was going for something like this:

Summary

Team	Event	Round robin		Semifinal	Final / BM
		Opposition Score	Record Rank	Opposition Score	Opposition Score	Rank
Dean Hewitt Tahli Gill	Mixed doubles	United States W 6–3  China W 6–3  Czech Republic W 6–3  Sweden W 6–3  Great Britain W 6–3  Norway W 6–3  Italy W 6–3  Switzerland W 6–3  Canada W 6–3	9–0 1 Q	United States W 6–3	Canada W 6–3

Hey, I was going for something like this. This way seems more organized to me and is easier to see each individual score of each game. With regards to the quote you mentionned, I wasn't sure if you were able to add the scores to your table, but I understand now. -- TracyFleuryFan (talk) 03:32, 26 December 2021 (UTC)

Summary

Team	Event	Group stage										Tiebreaker	Semifinal	Final / BM
		Opposition Score	Opposition Score	Opposition Score	Opposition Score	Opposition Score	Opposition Score	Opposition Score	Opposition Score	Opposition Score	Rank	Opposition Score	Opposition Score	Opposition Score	Rank
Kim Eun-jung Kim Kyeong-ae Kim Cho-hi Kim Seon-yeong Kim Yeong-mi	Women's tournament	CAN W 7–4	GBR W 7–4	ROC W 7–4	CHN W 7–4	USA W 7–4	JPN W 7–4	SUI W 7–4	DEN W 7–4	SWE W 7–4	1 Q	BYE	CAN W 7–4	GBR W 7–4

I checked your version on mobile, and it does not appear in full for me. What do you mean by easier to see each individual score of each game? Both show the scores beside each team. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 17:03, 26 December 2021 (UTC)

Please adhere to source

hello, I'm extremely sorry I reverted your edit but please lets just go by the source rather than going by the wiki lists because that would be unfair on the other cities , thanks. Vijaydanny (talk) 16:57, 28 December 2021 (UTC)

Israel at the 2022 Winter Olympics - Alpine skiing

Hey,

I saw that you mentioned that Israel had declined one quota for alpine skiing. Since the statements of the members of the Olympic Committee in Israel that I know so far have been that if there is a third quota, it has not yet been decided who will be the third representative, and that there is no intention to decline the quota. I would love to understand based on what you wrote it down. Nimrodbr (talk) 06:42, 18 January 2022 (UTC)

Based on this [2] Israel only accepted 2 quotas in alpine. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 16:33, 18 January 2022 (UTC)

Thanks. Nimrodbr (talk) 16:54, 18 January 2022 (UTC)

TAR S33E02 Pit Start

Just curious what the rules on putting in the Pit Start locations of legs are in the Race Summary section since you undid my edit? I've looked back on previous seasons, and from what I've gathered, I believe it's included if the Pit Stop/Pit Start locations are different? Wouldn't that apply here since the Pit Stop of leg 1 was at the Natural History Museum but the Pit Start of leg 2 was at St Mary Abbots church? OMGitsGARRET (talk) 02:26, 19 January 2022 (UTC)

Not mentioned on the show, which means its WP:TRIVIA. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 23:07, 19 January 2022 (UTC)

I'm not sure what you mean by this? If you mean audibly mentioned, then yes, it wasn't audibly mentioned. However, you can visually see on screen that the Pit Start isn't at the Natural History Museum — it's at St Mary Abbots church. Would that not count as a technical mention because you can visually see it on screen? And if not, wouldn't a bunch of previous seasons of TAR Wikis have to be changed then? For example, for leg 6 of season 32, "Paris (Place Vendôme) (Pit Start)" is put as the Pit Start, however there's no audible mention of this in the episode. Though you can visually see that it's obviously the Pit Start location just from seeing it on screen, hence why I assume it's included. So would that same situation not apply here? OMGitsGARRET (talk) 07:20, 20 January 2022 (UTC)

Luge at the 2022 Winter Olympics – Qualification

Why do you believe that TPE never qualified in men's luge, but the same rule qualified them in women's luge? Seems strange but if you have something that explains this it would be appreciated.18abruce (talk) 23:13, 23 January 2022 (UTC)

Was just going off the document that FIL released. Doesn't indicate TPE qualified. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 23:14, 23 January 2022 (UTC)

Which document? The list of qualified lugers which indicates Slovakia with two men's sled, which could not be true unless reallocated, which the Slovak Olympic committee stated was the case. Is there something new that you have, because that document also does not list the Netherlands women's sled, which definitely did qualify ahead of Moldova, but it is unclear how reallocation worked.18abruce (talk) 23:18, 23 January 2022 (UTC)

I have no other information, I don't object to adding back TPE, but could it also be he didn't meet the minimum requirements? Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 23:20, 23 January 2022 (UTC)

Still possible for sure, but unlikely since he raced six world cups, which was at five different tracks, during Olympic Qualifying. Someone had to give up their spot for Slovakia but there is something that does not quite work in the men's and women's reallocation. I opened a discussion on it and think I will just leave it for a while to see if something comes up.18abruce (talk) 23:26, 23 January 2022 (UTC)

MoS regarding Nations at Olympics

Since you are a member of the WikiProject:Olympics, you should be aware that the Manual of Style of this WikiProject refers to Palau at the 2008 Summer Olympics as an examplatory article hence therefore it is acceptable to divide men and women in a sport if there are 6 people or less participating. Wurstwicht (talk) 22:21, 26 January 2022 (UTC)

Arctic Winter Games

You've proposed deletion of a large number of Arctic Winter Games connected articles but have not informed the article creator about any of them. Why not? SpinningSpark 19:50, 27 January 2022 (UTC)

Not sure why? I used the TW button at the top of my screen to automate the whole thing. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 21:13, 27 January 2022 (UTC)

For what it's worth, it is not mandatory to notify the creator, likely because of situations like this where TW decides not to play nice. Primefac (talk) 07:41, 28 January 2022 (UTC) (talk page stalker)

It may not be mandatory, but since it is part of the instructions at Wikipedia:Proposed deletion, a policy page, that is a somewhat weak excuse to say the least. The user of a tool is always responsible for the actions of a tool as if they made the edit themselves and it is down to them to fix any mistakes. A large number of articles have been nominated at once, there is now little time for the creator to react, the editor still has not been informed, and the editor in question User:Kaffe42 has not edited for five days. If this were problematic material I wouldn't care, but it isn't, so in the interest of fairness, I'm going to deprod them all. SpinningSpark 16:41, 28 January 2022 (UTC)

I'm big on what words actually mean, and if a policy page says significant contributors should ideally be left a message then it means there is no mandate to leave a message. Sure, it's the equivalent of "strongly encouraged", but implying that a lack of notification somehow invalidates a PROD (or XfD) is improper.

That being said, Sportsfan's reply below indicates that your original post is incorrect, so I'll consider this issue closed; if you wish to continue it on a more central venue I am happy to do so. Primefac (talk) 18:50, 29 January 2022 (UTC)

Looks like the user removed all the notifications. @User:Spinningspark [3] Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 16:44, 28 January 2022 (UTC)

No more messages from you on my page

Got it? Never. TheGreenGiant23 (talk) 16:47, 29 January 2022 (UTC)

No, thats what you dont understand. TheGreenGiant23 (talk) 18:23, 29 January 2022 (UTC)

There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. Phil Bridger (talk) 18:56, 29 January 2022 (UTC)

Reverted edits on Bosnia and Herzegovina at the 2022 Winter Olympics

Could you please explain why did you revert my changes on Bosnia and Herzegovina at the 2022 Winter Olympics? I've deleted the "Men" label above the alpine skiing table, because there are both man and woman in the table. Furthermore, I've added the flag bearers in infobox and referenced it from the official website of Olympic Committee of Bosnia and Herzegovina. --Semso98 (talk) 13:10, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

Sorry that must have been a misclick, my apologies. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 17:13, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

Bold in links

I know better than to go back and forth in edit summaries. MOS:BOLDAVOID points directly to the policy that I'm enforcing: Links should not be placed in the boldface reiteration of the title in the opening sentence of a lead. – Muboshgu (talk) 00:28, 6 February 2022 (UTC)

I have revised it according to what you have posted here. Please let me know if there is an issue with it [4]. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 00:53, 6 February 2022 (UTC)

Furkan Akar

Hi! You have tagged the a.m. article with having unreliable sources. Would you please point out which ones you claim? Thanks.CeeGee 06:51, 5 February 2022 (UTC)

Hi! The sources are all in Turkish, which is why I tagged it. If you can find English sources that would be great too! Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 00:54, 6 February 2022 (UTC)

Reverts

If I do any more minor mistakes you don't have to revert a section and rewrite it from scratch, you can just do the minor edit required to fix it or ask me to do it. -- Lejman (talk) 21:50, 6 February 2022 (UTC)

ITN recognition for 2022 Winter Olympics

On 10 February 2022, In the news was updated with an item that involved the article 2022 Winter Olympics, which you updated. If you know of another recently created or updated article suitable for inclusion in ITN, please suggest it on the candidates page. Andrew🐉(talk) 23:00, 10 February 2022 (UTC)

Olympic templates

Hi... I saw you nominated templates for events that are in their 1st year at the Olympics. I have looked at past games 2018 and 2020 and there are quite a few that are 1st year events that have templates. Should they all be deleted? Seems like if they will return for the next Olympics they should not be deleted but if not returning then delete. Not sure the correct answer Thanks Tomrtn (talk) 18:00, 13 February 2022 (UTC)

2022 Winter Olympics

I noticed that User:Jungkook1996 keeps adding the blurb about Canada's "underwhelming performance" in the article introduction of 2022 Winter Olympics. FobTown (talk) 22:24, 22 February 2022 (UTC)

@FobtownI wasn't the one who even added it in but noticed you keep FIRST selectively removing it multiple times. Are you Canadian? Why is such info the first thing you Target and use phony reasons to remove. Jungkook1996 (talk) 02:50, 23 February 2022 (UTC)

February 2022

My edits were formatting edits, following the Olympics manual of style. As per the Olympics MOS (and per my double checking first how previous years were done), the flagbearers are combined into one line, not separate ones. This is why I combined them on articles that I have gone through. I also edited some dates to maintain consistency through an article, to avoid articles switching back and forth from MDY to DMY (the MOS also indicates dates should be consistent). So please clarify what you consider 'vandalizing'... Chantella28 (talk) 22:17, 22 February 2022 (UTC)

Removing the flagbearer format. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 23:36, 22 February 2022 (UTC)

My edits were exactly in line with the Olympics Manual of Style, and changes were made to ensure consistency across years of games pages Chantella28 (talk) 01:22, 23 February 2022 (UTC)

My guess is that the MoS hasn't been updated since the Olympic template was updated a few years ago. The new template has explicit lines for opening and closing flagbearers, so to me it makes sense to either use those, or remove the extra line from the template. I prefer using them, but either way that should be discussed so consensus could be reached on how the issue should be handled in the future. You're both making good faith edits, please keep that in mind when raising issues like this. -- Lejman (talk) 19:53, 23 February 2022 (UTC)

Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Olympics

Hello. I've begun a deletion sorting page for articles about the Olympics which are nominated at AfD. Hope you find it useful. No Great Shaker (talk) 13:30, 23 March 2022 (UTC)

Martyr's Memorial C-Division League AFD

It is entirely inappropriate to add new articles to the AFD once !voting and discussion has begun. Please start a new AFD instead. GiantSnowman 19:58, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

Why have you missed rollback in reverting these edits? GiantSnowman 20:59, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

Templates

Please, let me know what is your problem with the Pan American games templates. Your edits have been based only on removing information from them, which is not acceptable unless you have a good reason to do it. I don't want to enter into an edit warring, so opening a discussion on the talk page would be more appropiate.

But don't revert changes made not only by me but by other editors. That's not the way to reach a consensus, I think. Fma12 (talk) 18:00, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

Take a look at this template {{FIFA World Cup}} and you'll see that editions, squads, records, and every information related to the main topic is included there, in an unique navbox. Fma12 (talk) 18:10, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

FIFA World Cup is not the Olympics or the Pan American Games. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 22:28, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

You have been reverted twice, stop your disruptive editing and start a discussion. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 22:29, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

Well, I tried to reach a consensus with you but evidently you are not interesed. Therefore if you persist on remove contents from templates, your edits will be reported. Last warning. Fma12 (talk) 22:46, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

Please read WP:BRD. Please start a discussion in the relevant talk page(s). Otherwise, you will be reported for disruptive editing. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 22:46, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

Help AFD

Hi Sportsfan 1234 I removed the template from Abdul Rahman Omar (bowls) following the process Help:AFD part 2 which states In the Proposed Deletion (PROD) process, editors (including you) may agree (by adding Proposed deletion endorsed below the Proposed deletion template), or disagree (by removing these templates). If you disagree, indicate why you object in the edit summary. so I am a bit confused as to why a bot has reverted the removal when it is an option. Your proposed deletion suggests it failed WP:GNG but surely a champion of a continent of a 'worldwide sport' does not fail WP:GNG. Was it the references that you thought needed improving? I could add more but it is only a stub. Thanks Pipesmoking Legend (talk) 18:58, 26 April 2022 (UTC)

As a minor point, I've added some wikilinks just for ease of navigating, you are welcome to remove them. You have somewhat misunderstood the guidance at the Help page. Omar's page has been nominated for deletion via AFD, so in the "flowchart" of how deletion discussions work, you need to go to step 3.1 (not step 3.2 as you have described, which regards a proposed deletion). I do note, however, that you have correctly commented at the AFD, so that is you taking part in the process. Primefac (talk) 07:59, 27 April 2022 (UTC) (talk page stalker)

2022 Pan American Racquetball Championships

Please enlighten me as to why you put an Update tag on this article, as it makes no sense to me. Pray tell how to "update this article to reflect recent events or newly available information." Otherwise I'm going to remove that tag. Trb333 (talk) 03:07, 2 May 2022 (UTC)

For the doubles events, the names of the athletes aren't provided after the quarterfinals. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 03:31, 2 May 2022 (UTC)

FIBA Men's World Ranking

Please discuss removal of teams with zero points at Talk:FIBA Men's World Ranking and gain a consensus before re-installing your preferred version. Per WP:BRD, you made a bold change, it was reverted and it is now time to discuss. I will be undoing your reversion whilst the discussion takes place. Gusfriend (talk) 02:32, 6 May 2022 (UTC)

Survivor tables

Have you actually participated in any of the recent discussions on these tables? It has been pointed out that a past RFC as well as from more recent discussion (see [5]) that the changes are necessary to comply with our MOS and accessibility requirements. You are claiming there is no consensus but these are changes that already had concensus and that you are 1) reverting blindly 2) without participating in these discussions is a problem in of itself. --Masem (t) 02:02, 9 May 2022 (UTC)

Thank you for the link, wasn't aware there were multiple discussions ongoing. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 21:27, 9 May 2022 (UTC)

Summer Olympic Games

(I'm Spell Caster. For short,Cas.)

Bad English is as pointed out. We apologize for any inconvenience. Bad English has been changed, Simple English. The article has a source Are you only canceling? Do you have the ability to revise in English?

What I need...What Wikipedia need is a Proofreading, not a canceller, not a Teahouse. Or some deletion. not a one-click all canceller.急急如律令 (talk) 07:08, 15 May 2022 (UTC)

I don't understand what you are saying. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 15:11, 15 May 2022 (UTC)

Wrestling record and medal tables

Hey Sportsfan 1234, how is it going? I'm writing to you because of two things. First of all, I really can't see how adding a record of senior, international level matches to a wrestler is "due weight", seeing who a wrestler faced and how he did at national, continental and world events is important and I really can't see it as unnecessary at all, I see it as a nice addition. Plus, there's no section (or is largely uncompleted) that shows at the very least what place someone took at national/continental/world events in most articles.

Second, I visited WP:Olympics as you directed me to, but 1. Collegiate wrestling is not even an olympic sport and is a different style to freestyle/Greco-Roman, and only the National and Conference championships are listed. Even if it was an olympic sport, I don't see the page saying anything about medal tables.

I look forward to your response, have a good day. PabloLikesToWrestle (talk) 19:08, 13 May 2022 (UTC)

Collegiate wrestling is not a sport. Wrestling is. International tournaments are located in the infobox of athletes. Listing every match of an athlete is 100% undue weight. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 20:28, 13 May 2022 (UTC)

Of course it isn't, no one said it was, but it is another discipline/event and there's no reason to not add its biggest tourneys in an athlete's infobox just because it isn't an Olympic sport. Collegiate wrestling literally does not have international tournaments, the pinnacle of NCAA wrestling is the national championship, therefore it shall be added in the infobox imo. Again, "listing every match of an athlete is 100% undue weight" based on? Your own opinion? PabloLikesToWrestle (talk) 17:03, 16 May 2022 (UTC)

Nomination of Luke Gadsdon for deletion

A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Luke Gadsdon is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Luke Gadsdon until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article.

Adamtt9 (talk) 00:02, 18 May 2022 (UTC)

2021 Islamic Solidarity Games

What is ur problem with article of 2021 Islamic Solidarity Games? Pehlivanmeydani (talk) 17:32, 21 May 2022 (UTC)Sportsfan 1234

FYI

There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. The thread is Mass deletion of Tuvalu footballers (violation of WP:BEFORE). Thank you. eviolite (talk) 00:23, 25 May 2022 (UTC)

PRODS

Hello, Sportsfan 1234,

I'm looking over some pages that your PROD'd and noticed that you don't post notifications on the talk page of the page creator letting them know about the proposed deletion. This is important with PRODs because sometimes there is an easy fix to whatever has gotten the tagger's attention, like adding additional sources that the article creator can do something about. I see you used Twinkle to tag the page, which is great, but Twinkle should be posting these notices for you. Please check your Twinkle Preferences so that "Notify page creator" box is checked off. This way, any time you tag a page for deletion, Twinkle will do the work for you which makes the process easy. If you also tag for speedy deletion, please go to the CSD preferences and make sure every criteria box is checked off. For some reason the Twinkle default is to only notify page creators for certain types of CSD criteria when I don't think it really matters why the page will be deleted, the content creator should be informed about it. Many thanks for your contributions! Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 21:26, 30 May 2022 (UTC)

Hi Liz, the box is ticked off (I haven't changed my settings to not inform users), sometimes I notice it doesn't eave a message. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 23:02, 30 May 2022 (UTC)

Re: flags on 2022 FIVB Volleyball Men's Nations League

All VNL editions on wikipedia has flags on Venues then remove it all. 155.137.109.100 (talk) 00:44, 9 June 2022 (UTC)

Lesser-known footballers' pages

Hey, noticed that you've been nominating a lot of South Pacific footballers for deletion, and those really share two common sources which aren't sufficient; have you considered WP:BUNDLE to consolidate the more incontestable ones? Iseult ^Δx parlez moi 03:16, 10 June 2022 (UTC)

Sorry, I thought I had replied earlier. There has been pushback on group nominating article on people, so I am trying to stay away from that. I agree its better to have similar ones grouped together. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 23:02, 13 June 2022 (UTC)

Template:The Amazing Race

Hi. You always keep reverting all of my previous edits at Template:The Amazing Race. Can you remove the italics from the number 34 in that template? I know numbers in a season template shouldn't be italic. Thank you! 99.209.40.250 (talk) 12:13, 14 June 2022 (UTC)

Nomination of Jake Thiel for deletion

A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Jake Thiel is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jake Thiel until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article until the discussion has finished.

Gri3720 (talk)

I see that you keep undoing the proposal for deletion for Jake Thiel without conversation. You cannot unilaterally decide to undo a PROD.--Gri3720 (talk) 22:29, 20 June 2022 (UTC)

Yes you can. Please learn the rules. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 22:31, 20 June 2022 (UTC)

Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Infoboxes#Medals_element_in_infoboxes

I tried to invite you to a centralized discussion at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Infoboxes#Medals_element_in_infoboxes.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 18:48, 28 June 2022 (UTC)

Andy Patate AFD

It's courtesy to notify the article creator about an AFD... GiantSnowman 08:00, 3 July 2022 (UTC)

Notice of edit warring noticeboard discussion

Hello. This message is being sent to inform you that there is currently a discussion involving you at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Edit warring regarding a possible violation of Wikipedia's policy on edit warring. The thread is Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Edit warring#User:Sportsfan 1234 reported by User:CLalgo (Result: ). Thank you. —CLalgo (talk) 19:05, 3 July 2022 (UTC)

Move to draft

Sportsfan 1234 moved page 2022 World Athletics Championships – Men's high jump to Draft:2022 World Athletics Championships – Men's high jump: Moving to draft as there are a lot of copy paste errors.

I do not understand why you have moved to draft, as I was correcting the few errors (only links). But of course, you are better than me. Of course. Arorae (talk) 05:13, 9 July 2022 (UTC)

and It's still courtesy to notify the article creator about an AFD… --Arorae (talk) 05:15, 9 July 2022 (UTC)

This is not an AFD. It has been temporarily moved over to draftspace to fix the errors. When that is done, feel free to move it back to article. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 05:16, 9 July 2022 (UTC)

Article for Deletion was ironic, as per above. I know perfectly well the difference between Draft and Deletion.--Arorae (talk) 05:23, 9 July 2022 (UTC)

Elena Johnson

Hey, I have a question for you, do Island Games qualify as some regional event? Because I don't see this player passing WP:NBAD. zoglophie 12:21, 12 July 2022 (UTC)

Personally, I wouldn't. However, this article appears to meet WP:GNG. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 17:12, 12 July 2022 (UTC)

Complete lack of imagination

Official résultas of Athletics at YOG Buenos Aires 2018. Arorae (talk) 02:25, 15 July 2022 (UTC)

The IOC governs the Olympics and in the official report [6], Russian athletes are listed with the code RUS. Please stop your disruptive editing. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 02:39, 15 July 2022 (UTC)

Advice

If I might be so bold as to tender you helpful, or at least hopefully helpful, advice, it would be for you to heed to basic rules. One, you will avoid much unnecessary conflict if you stop deleting material that, whether you like seeing it or not, is properly supported by apt references. Second, simply asserting that material that you wish to delete is a copyright law violation is not sufficient, and when it is clear that it is not a copyright law violation a baseless claim reflects badly on the editor who makes such a claim. Cheers, and best of luck. 2600:1017:B809:4462:24C3:9D21:F8E5:40EE (talk) 00:42, 17 July 2022 (UTC)

Copying verbatim from a third party source is a clear copyright violation. Please take your advice and learn what copyright is before lecturing other editors. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 01:00, 17 July 2022 (UTC)

2022 CWG results interface

It's been made available today (link). Edvid (talk) 13:50, 19 July 2022 (UTC)

Thank you! @Edvid. I have been away, and will try to catch up. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 21:34, 20 July 2022 (UTC)

Official Quota plaze

4 countries already qualify and are confirmed by the International Olympic Committee, here the references:
1: Dominican Republic: Reference 1, click here
2: France: Reference 2
3: Great Britain: Reference 3
4: United States: Reference 4
Please READ the references! Rey1996ss (talk) 22:27, 20 July 2022 (UTC)

It is too early to have this section. Countries may qualify, but there is no confirmation on the acceptance of these quota places. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 22:40, 20 July 2022 (UTC)

Judo at the 2022 Commonwealth Games

@Sportsfan 1234: A discussion titled Article infobox was started in Talk:Judo at the 2022 Commonwealth Games following your 8 recent reverts of my edits ([7][8][9][10][11][12][13][14]). CLalgo (talk) 23:30, 31 July 2022 (UTC)

Notice of edit warring noticeboard discussion

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Notifying about AFDs

For the second time - you need to please notify article creators about AFDs. If you do it a third time I'll have no option but to view it as a deliberate act and seek a topic ban for AFDs. GiantSnowman 19:18, 28 July 2022 (UTC)

I am not sure what you are talking about? Two users have asked me 'not to let them know. If there is another one I am not sure why, as I only unclick for those two users. Besides, the AFD bot will get to it shortly after, so I really don't understand this obsession over being notified. Calm down seriously. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 20:42, 28 July 2022 (UTC)

It's not an obsession, notifying page creators is part of the deletion process, whether it is for CSD, PROD or AFD/RFD/MFD/etc. Please do not omit these notifications with any page you tag for deletion. Do it as a matter of course with every tagging. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 03:18, 30 July 2022 (UTC)

@GiantSnowman and Liz: I have disagreed with Sportsfan 1234 many times on deletion discussions but this is misleading. Per strong community consensus, there is no need to notify the creator. Aman Kumar Goel ^(Talk) 11:06, 2 August 2022 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion#After nominating: Notify interested projects and editors - "While not required, it is generally considered courteous to notify the good-faith creator and any main contributors of the articles that you are nominating for deletion". Furthermore, I specifically have asked for notifications, and have been ignored. GiantSnowman 17:57, 2 August 2022 (UTC)

• @Sportsfan 1234: This is for you. You already know that notification is strictly optional and as such you should at least stop notifying User talk:Lugnuts because the user was already indeffed and is now site banned. They are not able to participate in AfDs. It is unnecessary to notify them anymore. Aman Kumar Goel ^(Talk) 05:13, 3 August 2022 (UTC)

  For what it's worth, the Lugnuts talk page is watched by more than 300 people. It may be useful to post deletion notifications regardless of the ban because others may be interested in reviewing such deletion nominations. Simeon (talk) 10:30, 6 August 2022 (UTC)

Gymnastics at the 2022 Commonwealth Games – Women's rhythmic team all-around

Hello, Sportsfan 1234,

Why did you move an article with this title to Draft:Gymnastics at the 2022 Commonwealth Games – Women's rhythmic team all-around and then create a new page at this main space title? That's not how things are done on Wikipedia. If there is an existing article in main space, you help improve that article, you don't just make an article disappear into Draft space and then start up your own version. I'll see if I can request a history merge of the two articles.

Editors have been blocked for doing this stunt repeatedly so please do not do this again. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 15:03, 5 August 2022 (UTC)

I have to say I'm a bit disappointed to see this series of edits as well; I expected better of you Sportsfan. Primefac (talk) 15:38, 5 August 2022 (UTC)

Isn't that what is normally done? The drafts are merged into the article when its created? I am a bit confused here. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 16:01, 5 August 2022 (UTC)

It might look that way now, but when I got the histmerge request the page looked a lot different. Special:Diff/1102392777 is you moving the page to draft, and Special:PermaLink/1102425224 is you creating a brand-new page in the article space (as explained further here). There's nothing wrong with moving an article to Draft for it to be worked on further, but when it's ready to go the page should be moved back to the article space, not recreated on the hopes that someone will notice and request a {{histmerge}}. Primefac (talk) 06:57, 6 August 2022 (UTC)

Thank you for letting me know, sorry for any inconvenience caused. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 16:37, 6 August 2022 (UTC)

No worries. Not the end of the world, just more surprised that it happened is all. Primefac (talk) 20:06, 6 August 2022 (UTC)

Notification for deletion tagging

Hello, Sportsfan 1234,

I've been dealing with some articles you PROD'd and you neglected to post notifications on the talk page of the article creators. This is an important step in the deletion process with all forms of deletion (CSD, PROD, AFD/CFD/RFD/etc.). What I don't understand is that you used Twinkle to tag the pages and Twinkle should have posted a notice on the talk page of the content creator for you.

Please check your Twinkle Preferences and make sure that you have the "Notify page creator" box checked off. Neglecting to inform content creators when their pages have been tagged for deletion and moving another editor's page into Draft space so you can create your own version of the article doesn't make you look like a collaborative editor, Sportsfan 1234. Treat other editors like you would like to be treated, please. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 03:50, 7 August 2022 (UTC)

Well, I see that you did post a talk page notice for Vovinam at the 2013 Southeast Asian Games, so you do it some times which is better than never. Please try to remember to do this thought. Many thanks! Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 03:53, 7 August 2022 (UTC)

I am not sure what is up with Twinkle. I haven't touched the settings in the past, so it should be the default settings. This is what I think happened with Giant Snowman above, where some were posting and some were not. Is this a known issue with Twinkle? In fairness, is it perhaps possible to restore the PRODed articles which didn't leave a notice on the creator's talk page? @Liz Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 03:57, 7 August 2022 (UTC)

Don't worry about the occasional dropped notification, it is not a hard requirement so it's not like there's a "legal loophole" in which a page must be restored because the creator was not notified. Primefac (talk) 08:44, 7 August 2022 (UTC)

August 2022

Arorae, are you sure you're warning the correct user? Sportsfan has edited that page once (and I say that to mean "one session" of 9 edits in a row) today, and has not edited the page otherwise since mid-June. In other words, they cannot (by definition) be edit warring. Primefac (talk) 12:33, 7 August 2022 (UTC)

Primefac, thanks for your question. In fact, you are right, Sportsfan has only edited 9 times most of them to take off Interwiki links, manually, in order not to look like an editwar. It is a thing he has already done on nearly every article of Athletics where I have already added Interwiki links (ill), on red links, to give to everyone a small blue link on another article written in Spanish, French or German, links he seems not be interesting for him, but he does that without any prior discussion and without respecting guidelines.--Arorae (talk) 13:50, 7 August 2022 (UTC)

and this is not the first time he did [15]. --Arorae (talk) 13:52, 7 August 2022 (UTC)

That's... not in any way shape or form an edit war. Primefac (talk) 14:49, 7 August 2022 (UTC)

Hi, CWG 2022

Hi,

I just want to know why there is no page for the Men's 200m and Men's Javelin throw at the CWG and why have they just been kept as drafts? Thanks A Fantasy (talk) 21:37, 7 August 2022 (UTC)

Some user created multiple redirects, after repeated warnings not too, so these were moved to draft space to indicate the articles did not exist. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 21:59, 7 August 2022 (UTC)

Moving redirects to draft

Sportsfan 1234, if you are trying to clear a redirect to put in an approved draft article, you can use {{db-afc-move|Draft:myarticlename}} or see WP:CSD G6. Do not move the redirect to draft to blank out. AngusW🐶🐶F (bark • sniff) 22:23, 7 August 2022 (UTC)

I'm trying to clear out the table tennis redirects that got moved to draft. Those aren't needed. Those can just be overwritten with the actual article. AngusW🐶🐶F (bark • sniff) 22:26, 7 August 2022 (UTC)

Mass AfD

Hi — when you mass-AfD something, could you not notify the user per-nomination, and perhaps instead do one message at the end with a list? MonFrontieres's message to you was inappropriate (and had you not warned them, I would have), but I can somewhat empathise with getting irritated by that many notifications! Just a suggestion, thank you — TheresNoTime (talk • she/her) 19:47, 8 August 2022 (UTC)

I use Twinkle, isn't that automatic per article? Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 19:55, 8 August 2022 (UTC)

When you open up the Twinkle AfD window, there should be a checkbox near the top which says "Notify page creator if possible"? It's checked by default, and should almost always remain checked, but for this many nominations it perhaps makes sense to uncheck it and then leave a manual message with a list once you've done a batch — TheresNoTime (talk • she/her) 19:57, 8 August 2022 (UTC)

Thank you! Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 19:58, 8 August 2022 (UTC)

This user has wrote two comments, I am taking it to WP:ANI next time. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 20:02, 8 August 2022 (UTC)

No need, if they do it again I'm blocking them — hopefully everything can cool off a bit now though — TheresNoTime (talk • she/her) 20:06, 8 August 2022 (UTC)

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Superiority Complex

These are unnecessary, being last on these legs signifies nothing except being in last place, which is accomplished satisfactorily with the "nth" indicator.

Just because you think my edits are "unconstructive" doesn't mean they are. I am giving a perfectly valid reasoning for their removal, and you've provided no rebuttal or argument whatsoever. If you disagree with their removal use your words. 2604:3D08:7481:AF00:1D22:1331:97B:AE3E (talk) 01:48, 12 August 2022 (UTC)

You can take it to the talk page of the respective articles. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 01:49, 12 August 2022 (UTC)

No, you can take it to the talk page if you disagree. If people went to the talk page for every single change to every single article, that would be ridiculous and the talk pages would be gigantic. It's called an edit of good faith by someone who sees a way that the page can be improved. It's really rude to just decide "No I don't think that's good" and immediately warn that an editor will get banned for trying to help. Furthermore, this was brought up already by someone else but not a single person responded. Is an editor supposed to just wait an infinite amount of time for someone to respond? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2604:3D08:7481:AF00:1D22:1331:97B:AE3E (talk) 01:55, 12 August 2022 (UTC)

It is part of the WP:BRD cycle. You were bold, was reverted and now should discuss. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 02:00, 12 August 2022 (UTC)

The BRD cycle does not involve threatening to ban someone. It also says on that page you linked "When reverting, be specific about your reasons in the edit summary". 2604:3D08:7481:AF00:1D22:1331:97B:AE3E (talk) 02:06, 12 August 2022 (UTC)

Removal of established information on an article. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 02:13, 12 August 2022 (UTC)

These are unnecessary, being last on these legs signifies nothing except being in last place, which is accomplished satisfactorily with the "nth" indicator. 2604:3D08:7481:AF00:1D22:1331:97B:AE3E (talk) 02:26, 12 August 2022 (UTC)

Which is your opinion, feel free to start the discussion, and perhaps tag a few of the recent editors on the page to gauge a consensus on its removal/status quo. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 02:27, 12 August 2022 (UTC)

Where? This change affects multiple pages. Should I do it on every single page (excessive) or on Talk:The Amazing Race (where it was already brought up and ignored)? Or, to expedite things, you could just tell me right now why you think they need to stay, which again is suggested on WP:BRD. 2604:3D08:7481:AF00:1D22:1331:97B:AE3E (talk) 02:33, 12 August 2022 (UTC)

I would do it on the Talk:The Amazing Race page, and then see recent editors on the specific seasons and tag them. You can tag them by using the @ and writing in User:X, replacing X with the user name. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 02:50, 12 August 2022 (UTC)

Very well. I hope in the future you consider against immediately slamming a ban warning on someone making a change with an explanation, something that is clearly not vandalism or disruptive editing. 2604:3D08:7481:AF00:1D22:1331:97B:AE3E (talk) 03:04, 12 August 2022 (UTC)

Templating Lugnuts

I suggest you stop templating Lugnuts. It doesn't serve any purpose other than antagonise. Cheers. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 10:00, 12 August 2022 (UTC)

Templating Lugnuts is not obligatory, please desist. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 21:31, 14 August 2022 (UTC)

Is there a policy against notifying users? Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 21:32, 14 August 2022 (UTC)

Notification of users is optional and there's zero point in notifying a banned user, moreover think of the damage you're doing to them with the continual templating which they can do nothing about nor respond to. There's a human on the other side of the banned user name. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 21:38, 14 August 2022 (UTC)

I understand that. I don't really look at the user who has created the article, more so the content. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 21:42, 14 August 2022 (UTC)

So, as a human to another human, please don't template Lugnuts, there's not a single positive purpose in that. Cheers. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 21:44, 14 August 2022 (UTC)

Bless

If you don't like it then don't be that person. Clearly you have an issue with players and teams from certain countries which you don't feel are notable. The problem isn't me. Also... a comment on my own talk page as I moved them to *my* talkpage archive. Zanoni (talk) 06:55, 16 August 2022 (UTC)

2026 Commonwealth Games

Howdy. We're gonna need to add a 'new' parameter to the infobox, as Victoria is the "host state", rather then the "host city". PS - Don't know if the Games are going to go the state/province etc format, from here onward. GoodDay (talk) 03:10, 15 August 2022 (UTC)

Good night, how are you?

I'm a geographer and I work with sports management and this edition of the Commonwealth Games has presented a lot of new things for the layman and I try to explain also for the experts,too. It's something totally new and what happens is that both the concept and the management end up causing confusion even for those in the area. The idea is to keep it simple and not be too literal and besides, things are happening now.De Boni 2007 (talk) 23:45, 19 August 2022 (UTC)

With all due respect, your English is not good and your revisions have made the article worse. Please stop. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 00:15, 20 August 2022 (UTC)

DYK for Graeme Saunders (sailor)

On 21 August 2022, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Graeme Saunders (sailor), which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Canadian brothers Graeme and Jacob Saunders learned to sail at the Chester Yacht Club, and campaigned a two-person dinghy in the 2016 Summer Olympics? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Jacob Saunders. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Graeme Saunders (sailor)), and if they received a combined total of at least 416.7 views per hour (i.e., 5,000 views in 12 hours or 10,000 in 24), the hook may be added to the statistics page. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:02, 21 August 2022 (UTC)

DYK for Jacob Saunders

On 21 August 2022, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Jacob Saunders, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Canadian brothers Graeme and Jacob Saunders learned to sail at the Chester Yacht Club, and campaigned a two-person dinghy in the 2016 Summer Olympics? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Jacob Saunders. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Jacob Saunders), and if they received a combined total of at least 416.7 views per hour (i.e., 5,000 views in 12 hours or 10,000 in 24), the hook may be added to the statistics page. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:03, 21 August 2022 (UTC)

Scotiabank Arena

Hey there,

Not sure why you claimed my edits regarding Scotiabank Arena by adding two previous WWE NXT Takeover events happened at that arena as "unsourced or poorly sourced material to Wikipedia" when I linked the exact Wikipedia pages to those events. Tazetheog (talk) 05:03, 24 August 2022 (UTC)

There is consensus to not include WWE events on that article. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 17:33, 24 August 2022 (UTC)

Footballer AFDs

I count 36 from you overnight, one every 2-4 minutes or so on average? As you have been told previously , this is disruptive. Please slow down. GiantSnowman 09:28, 25 August 2022 (UTC)

Can you please link me where this has been told to me? I apologize for any disruptiveness if any. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 15:09, 25 August 2022 (UTC)

I don't usually comment on footballer/sportsperson AfDs, but I concur; you need to slow down. There's no rush to delete here. The ArbCom-mandated RfC—which will hopefully address, among other topics, sports stubs—will happen soon. Ovinus (talk) 02:58, 26 August 2022 (UTC)

FIFA Women's

The use of those unuseless light blue/pink color schemes were discussed and no longer needed per consensus (see here). Furthermore, you came back to an much older version ignoring sustancial changes made by another editors (such as images alignment/placing, infobox correct paramethers, external links additions, etc).

So please, before reverting other users' edits, try to read the summaries first. Fma12 (talk) 09:16, 26 August 2022 (UTC)

File:Borobi2018.jpg listed for discussion

A file that you uploaded or altered, File:Borobi2018.jpg, has been listed at Wikipedia:Files for discussion. Please see the discussion to see why it has been listed (you may have to search for the title of the image to find its entry). Feel free to add your opinion on the matter below the nomination. Thank you. Joseph2302 (talk) 16:22, 9 November 2022 (UTC)

Article Aruba at the 2023 Pan American Games

I've just added the official website from Pan American Bowling Federation (panambowling.com), where there is the list of qualified nations by each tournament. I can't put a direct link, since the files in the website are in Excel. Thank you. User talk:felipe.moraislima (talk) 10:23, 10 November 2022 (UTC)