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*'''Delete''' [[WP:BEFORE]] search turns up nothing much. Subject does not pass the basic notability requirement prescribed in [[WP:N]]. --[[User:Tsistunagiska|<span style="color:#b76e79">'''A'''</span><span style="color:#be4f60">'''Rose'''</span><span style="color:#b87333">'''Wolf'''</span>]] ([[User talk:Tsistunagiska|<small><span style="color:#e75480">'''Talk'''</span></small>]]) 16:55, 12 January 2021 (UTC) |
*'''Delete''' [[WP:BEFORE]] search turns up nothing much. Subject does not pass the basic notability requirement prescribed in [[WP:N]]. --[[User:Tsistunagiska|<span style="color:#b76e79">'''A'''</span><span style="color:#be4f60">'''Rose'''</span><span style="color:#b87333">'''Wolf'''</span>]] ([[User talk:Tsistunagiska|<small><span style="color:#e75480">'''Talk'''</span></small>]]) 16:55, 12 January 2021 (UTC) |
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*'''Keep''' And again a AfD from the same nominator for one of the articles I created; with the same reasoning. I explained in former AfD you won’t find the good sources via Google. You have to look into the newspapers from that era (see for example [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Wendy van der Poel|AfD:Wendy van der Poel]] and to search into the sources of the country (see for example [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Dalanbayar Delgermaa|AfD Dalambayar Delgermaa]]). It’s a notable speed skater; set (junior) world records; represented Germany at international competitions; finished at the top of the highest division competition... For info about her, you have to look into the old German newspapers for the best sources. I don’t know where I can find them. However, when looking at Dutch newspapers (not findable via Google!); there are already a lot of sources about her at national newspapers. Many enough already to meet GNG: [https://www.delpher.nl/nl/kranten/view?query=Sylke+Luding&page=4&sortfield=datedesc&coll=ddd&identifier=ABCDDD:010878882:mpeg21:a0641&resultsidentifier=ABCDDD:010878882:mpeg21:a0641 1], [https://www.delpher.nl/nl/kranten/view?query=Sylke+Luding&page=1&sortfield=datedesc&coll=ddd&identifier=ddd:010643960:mpeg21:a0153&resultsidentifier=ddd:010643960:mpeg21:a0153 2], [https://www.delpher.nl/nl/kranten/view?query=Sylke+Luding&page=1&sortfield=datedesc&coll=ddd&identifier=ABCDDD:010857721:mpeg21:a0213&resultsidentifier=ABCDDD:010857721:mpeg21:a0213 3], [https://www.delpher.nl/nl/kranten/view?query=Sylke+Luding&page=1&sortfield=datedesc&coll=ddd&identifier=KBPERS01:003079023:mpeg21:a00251&resultsidentifier=KBPERS01:003079023:mpeg21:a00251 4], [https://www.delpher.nl/nl/kranten/view?query=Sylke+Luding&page=1&sortfield=datedesc&coll=ddd&identifier=ddd:010645470:mpeg21:a1194&resultsidentifier=ddd:010645470:mpeg21:a1194 5], [https://www.delpher.nl/nl/kranten/view?query=Sylke+Luding&page=1&sortfield=datedesc&coll=ddd&identifier=ddd:010963624:mpeg21:a0399&resultsidentifier=ddd:010963624:mpeg21:a0399 6], [https://www.delpher.nl/nl/kranten/view?query=Sylke+Luding&page=1&sortfield=datedesc&coll=ddd&identifier=ABCDDD:010856525:mpeg21:a0199&resultsidentifier=ABCDDD:010856525:mpeg21:a0199 7], [https://www.delpher.nl/nl/kranten/view?query=Sylke+Luding&page=2&sortfield=datedesc&coll=ddd&identifier=KBPERS01:003055019:mpeg21:a00105&resultsidentifier=KBPERS01:003055019:mpeg21:a00105 8], [https://www.delpher.nl/nl/kranten/view?query=Sylke+Luding&page=2&sortfield=datedesc&coll=ddd&identifier=ddd:010566301:mpeg21:a0238&resultsidentifier=ddd:010566301:mpeg21:a0238 9], [https://www.delpher.nl/nl/kranten/view?query=Sylke+Luding&page=2&sortfield=datedesc&coll=ddd&identifier=ABCDDD:010827091:mpeg21:a0161&resultsidentifier=ABCDDD:010827091:mpeg21:a0161 10], [https://www.delpher.nl/nl/kranten/view?query=Sylke+Luding&page=3&sortfield=datedesc&coll=ddd&identifier=ddd:011000792:mpeg21:a0477&resultsidentifier=ddd:011000792:mpeg21:a0477 11], and can add several more. [[User:SportsOlympic|SportsOlympic]] ([[User talk:SportsOlympic|talk]]) 21:45, 12 January 2021 (UTC) |
*'''Keep''' And again a AfD from the same nominator for one of the articles I created; with the same reasoning. I explained in former AfD you won’t find the good sources via Google. You have to look into the newspapers from that era (see for example [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Wendy van der Poel|AfD:Wendy van der Poel]] and to search into the sources of the country (see for example [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Dalanbayar Delgermaa|AfD Dalambayar Delgermaa]]). It’s a notable speed skater; set (junior) world records; represented Germany at international competitions; finished at the top of the highest division competition... For info about her, you have to look into the old German newspapers for the best sources. I don’t know where I can find them. However, when looking at Dutch newspapers (not findable via Google!); there are already a lot of sources about her at national newspapers. Many enough already to meet GNG: [https://www.delpher.nl/nl/kranten/view?query=Sylke+Luding&page=4&sortfield=datedesc&coll=ddd&identifier=ABCDDD:010878882:mpeg21:a0641&resultsidentifier=ABCDDD:010878882:mpeg21:a0641 1], [https://www.delpher.nl/nl/kranten/view?query=Sylke+Luding&page=1&sortfield=datedesc&coll=ddd&identifier=ddd:010643960:mpeg21:a0153&resultsidentifier=ddd:010643960:mpeg21:a0153 2], [https://www.delpher.nl/nl/kranten/view?query=Sylke+Luding&page=1&sortfield=datedesc&coll=ddd&identifier=ABCDDD:010857721:mpeg21:a0213&resultsidentifier=ABCDDD:010857721:mpeg21:a0213 3], [https://www.delpher.nl/nl/kranten/view?query=Sylke+Luding&page=1&sortfield=datedesc&coll=ddd&identifier=KBPERS01:003079023:mpeg21:a00251&resultsidentifier=KBPERS01:003079023:mpeg21:a00251 4], [https://www.delpher.nl/nl/kranten/view?query=Sylke+Luding&page=1&sortfield=datedesc&coll=ddd&identifier=ddd:010645470:mpeg21:a1194&resultsidentifier=ddd:010645470:mpeg21:a1194 5], [https://www.delpher.nl/nl/kranten/view?query=Sylke+Luding&page=1&sortfield=datedesc&coll=ddd&identifier=ddd:010963624:mpeg21:a0399&resultsidentifier=ddd:010963624:mpeg21:a0399 6], [https://www.delpher.nl/nl/kranten/view?query=Sylke+Luding&page=1&sortfield=datedesc&coll=ddd&identifier=ABCDDD:010856525:mpeg21:a0199&resultsidentifier=ABCDDD:010856525:mpeg21:a0199 7], [https://www.delpher.nl/nl/kranten/view?query=Sylke+Luding&page=2&sortfield=datedesc&coll=ddd&identifier=KBPERS01:003055019:mpeg21:a00105&resultsidentifier=KBPERS01:003055019:mpeg21:a00105 8], [https://www.delpher.nl/nl/kranten/view?query=Sylke+Luding&page=2&sortfield=datedesc&coll=ddd&identifier=ddd:010566301:mpeg21:a0238&resultsidentifier=ddd:010566301:mpeg21:a0238 9], [https://www.delpher.nl/nl/kranten/view?query=Sylke+Luding&page=2&sortfield=datedesc&coll=ddd&identifier=ABCDDD:010827091:mpeg21:a0161&resultsidentifier=ABCDDD:010827091:mpeg21:a0161 10], [https://www.delpher.nl/nl/kranten/view?query=Sylke+Luding&page=3&sortfield=datedesc&coll=ddd&identifier=ddd:011000792:mpeg21:a0477&resultsidentifier=ddd:011000792:mpeg21:a0477 11], and can add several more. [[User:SportsOlympic|SportsOlympic]] ([[User talk:SportsOlympic|talk]]) 21:45, 12 January 2021 (UTC) |
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**Please stop repeating the false claim that she set any junior world records: you made the same claim in another article as well, and it was equally false. You cite some AfDs that ended in keep, but of course there were others that ended with deletion as well, so going by precedent or suggesting that all my speed skating AfDs are wrong won't help. See [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ewa Borkowska (speed skater, born 1973)]] or [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Grietje Veenstra]]. Then, your sources; |
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***[https://www.delpher.nl/nl/kranten/view?query=Sylke+Luding&page=4&sortfield=datedesc&coll=ddd&identifier=ABCDDD:010878882:mpeg21:a0641&resultsidentifier=ABCDDD:010878882:mpeg21:a0641] Passing mention |
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***[https://www.delpher.nl/nl/kranten/view?query=Sylke+Luding&page=1&sortfield=datedesc&coll=ddd&identifier=ddd:010643960:mpeg21:a0153&resultsidentifier=ddd:010643960:mpeg21:a0153] Passing mention, and wrong. The world record was not Luding's 40.87 from 1987, but 40.70 by Angela Stahnke in 1985[https://www.speedskatingnews.info/records/record-history?gender=w&recordType=WRJ&distance=500] |
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***[https://www.delpher.nl/nl/kranten/view?query=Sylke+Luding&page=1&sortfield=datedesc&coll=ddd&identifier=ABCDDD:010857721:mpeg21:a0213&resultsidentifier=ABCDDD:010857721:mpeg21:a0213] again a passing and wrong mention |
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***[https://www.delpher.nl/nl/kranten/view?query=Sylke+Luding&page=1&sortfield=datedesc&coll=ddd&identifier=KBPERS01:003079023:mpeg21:a00251&resultsidentifier=KBPERS01:003079023:mpeg21:a00251] Passing mention |
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***[https://www.delpher.nl/nl/kranten/view?query=Sylke+Luding&page=1&sortfield=datedesc&coll=ddd&identifier=ddd:010645470:mpeg21:a1194&resultsidentifier=ddd:010645470:mpeg21:a1194 ] Passing mention |
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***[https://www.delpher.nl/nl/kranten/view?query=Sylke+Luding&page=1&sortfield=datedesc&coll=ddd&identifier=ddd:010963624:mpeg21:a0399&resultsidentifier=ddd:010963624:mpeg21:a0399] Passing and wrong mention |
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***[https://www.delpher.nl/nl/kranten/view?query=Sylke+Luding&page=1&sortfield=datedesc&coll=ddd&identifier=ABCDDD:010856525:mpeg21:a0199&resultsidentifier=ABCDDD:010856525:mpeg21:a0199] Passing mention |
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***[https://www.delpher.nl/nl/kranten/view?query=Sylke+Luding&page=2&sortfield=datedesc&coll=ddd&identifier=KBPERS01:003055019:mpeg21:a00105&resultsidentifier=KBPERS01:003055019:mpeg21:a00105] Passing and wrong mention |
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***[https://www.delpher.nl/nl/kranten/view?query=Sylke+Luding&page=2&sortfield=datedesc&coll=ddd&identifier=ddd:010566301:mpeg21:a0238&resultsidentifier=ddd:010566301:mpeg21:a0238] Passing mention |
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***[https://www.delpher.nl/nl/kranten/view?query=Sylke+Luding&page=2&sortfield=datedesc&coll=ddd&identifier=ABCDDD:010827091:mpeg21:a0161&resultsidentifier=ABCDDD:010827091:mpeg21:a0161] Passing mention |
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**Do you have any sources which have more on Sylke Luding than a result or a mention in one sentence? Anything substantial? [[User:Fram|Fram]] ([[User talk:Fram|talk]]) 08:30, 13 January 2021 (UTC) |
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No evidence of notability,only listings in databases. I couldn't verify the junior world records (she had 1 world junior championship record, which isn't the same thing). Fram (talk) 15:12, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions. Fram (talk) 15:12, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
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I have found the list of the world junior record progressions, and contrary to what the article claims, Sylke Luding never broke a junior world record[1][2]. Fram (talk) 15:24, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
- Delete WP:BEFORE search turns up nothing much. Subject does not pass the basic notability requirement prescribed in WP:N. --ARoseWolf (Talk) 16:55, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
- Keep And again a AfD from the same nominator for one of the articles I created; with the same reasoning. I explained in former AfD you won’t find the good sources via Google. You have to look into the newspapers from that era (see for example AfD:Wendy van der Poel and to search into the sources of the country (see for example AfD Dalambayar Delgermaa). It’s a notable speed skater; set (junior) world records; represented Germany at international competitions; finished at the top of the highest division competition... For info about her, you have to look into the old German newspapers for the best sources. I don’t know where I can find them. However, when looking at Dutch newspapers (not findable via Google!); there are already a lot of sources about her at national newspapers. Many enough already to meet GNG: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, and can add several more. SportsOlympic (talk) 21:45, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
- Please stop repeating the false claim that she set any junior world records: you made the same claim in another article as well, and it was equally false. You cite some AfDs that ended in keep, but of course there were others that ended with deletion as well, so going by precedent or suggesting that all my speed skating AfDs are wrong won't help. See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ewa Borkowska (speed skater, born 1973) or Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Grietje Veenstra. Then, your sources;
- [3] Passing mention
- [4] Passing mention, and wrong. The world record was not Luding's 40.87 from 1987, but 40.70 by Angela Stahnke in 1985[5]
- [6] again a passing and wrong mention
- [7] Passing mention
- [8] Passing mention
- [9] Passing and wrong mention
- [10] Passing mention
- [11] Passing and wrong mention
- [12] Passing mention
- [13] Passing mention
- Do you have any sources which have more on Sylke Luding than a result or a mention in one sentence? Anything substantial? Fram (talk) 08:30, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
- Please stop repeating the false claim that she set any junior world records: you made the same claim in another article as well, and it was equally false. You cite some AfDs that ended in keep, but of course there were others that ended with deletion as well, so going by precedent or suggesting that all my speed skating AfDs are wrong won't help. See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ewa Borkowska (speed skater, born 1973) or Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Grietje Veenstra. Then, your sources;