User talk:Golden

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Blocked for sockpuppetry

You have been blocked indefinitely from editing for abusing multiple accounts per the evidence presented at Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/CuriousGolden. Note that multiple accounts are allowed, but not for illegitimate reasons, and any contributions made while evading blocks or bans may be reverted or deleted.

If you think there are good reasons for being unblocked, please read the guide to appealing blocks, then add the following text below the block notice on your talk page: {{unblock|reason=Your reason here ~~~~}}.  Cabayi (talk) 12:45, 3 April 2021 (UTC)

Azykh (village)

Hello, I have a question. 1. reg the tamplate in the article? what does it mean, do we back again? 2. I put template reg unreliable source Shagen Mkrtchan. there are many citations with his source, but he is not historian, never published in reliable editions. how could it be accepted? if nobody reacts in Talk Page, can I remove it after 2 weeks?--Aydin mirza (talk) 23:48, 9 May 2021 (UTC)

Firstly, no, you can't just remove something without broad consensus just because you don't like it or you disagree. Secondly, this user has been *permanently* banned for operating sockpuppets. They are NOT going to respond anytime soon because they are gone. From this website. Forever. Regards, BaxçeyêReş (talk) 00:05, 18 May 2021 (UTC)

Noting for reference that the user has not been banned but was only indefinitely blocked. ~~~~
User:1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 22:09, 11 October 2021 (UTC)

Dear BaxçeyêReş, I approciate you assistance. be sure, I'll do according to the rules, despite you don't. besr regards. --Aydin mirza (talk) 01:41, 19 May 2021 (UTC)

My Appeal

This user is asking that their block be reviewed:

Golden (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))

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Request reason:

Hello. I was blocked by Cabayi on Wikipedia 6 months ago for abusing a sockpuppet account. I created the sockpuppet account User:Gnominite few months before my block and used it for the purpose of affecting the outcomes of several Requested Moves made by my main account on articles about cities. I fully understand why my actions led to an indefinite block and know it was justified. I deeply regret creating the sockpuppet account and lying about it during the sockpuppetry investigation led by Blablubbs. Quite frankly, I'm ashamed of my actions. Since my block, I have not tried to edit the English Wikipedia in any way again. I waited 6 months, as instructed on WP:SO, to make my appeal. Before anything, I would like to promise that I will never sock again.

Since my block, I took a 4-month break from all Wikimedia projects to reflect on my actions and past edits. After which, I joined back and continued my contributions on several Wikimedia projects, mainly, Wikidata, where I made over four thousand new edits, and Commons, where I contributed over four thousand new edits + Uploads (Photographs, maps). I also worked on several other languages' Wikipedias such as Russian Wikipedia and Azerbaijani Wikipedia.

Noting all of the above, with my past contributions to this project, with over 12,000 edits, 12 article creations and one good article, I am asking for an unblock as I would love to continue my work on creating and improving articles in a level-headed way.

— CuriousGolden (T·C) 14:17, 1 October 2021 (UTC)

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{{unblock reviewed |1=Hello. I was [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:CuriousGolden&diff=1015767245&oldid=1015394966&diffmode=source blocked] by [[User:Cabayi|Cabayi]] on Wikipedia 6 months ago for abusing a sockpuppet account. I created the sockpuppet account [[User:Gnominite]] few months before my block and used it for the purpose of affecting the outcomes of several Requested Moves made by my main account on articles about cities. I fully understand why my actions led to an indefinite block and know it was justified. I deeply regret creating the sockpuppet account and lying about it during the sockpuppetry investigation led by [[User:Blablubbs|Blablubbs]]. Quite frankly, I'm ashamed of my actions. Since my block, I have not tried to edit the English Wikipedia in any way again. I waited 6 months, as instructed on [[WP:SO]], to make my appeal. Before anything, I would like to promise that I will never sock again. Since my block, I took a 4-month break from all Wikimedia projects to reflect on my actions and past edits. After which, I joined back and continued my contributions on several Wikimedia projects, mainly, [https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/CuriousGolden Wikidata], where I made over four thousand new edits, and [https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/CuriousGolden Commons], where I contributed over four thousand new edits + Uploads ([[:Commons:Category:Photographs by CuriousGolden|Photographs]], [[:Commons:Category:Maps by CuriousGolden|maps]]). I also worked on several other languages' Wikipedias such as [https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A1%D0%BB%D1%83%D0%B6%D0%B5%D0%B1%D0%BD%D0%B0%D1%8F:%D0%92%D0%BA%D0%BB%D0%B0%D0%B4/CuriousGolden Russian Wikipedia] and [https://az.wikipedia.org/wiki/X%C3%BCsusi:F%C9%99aliyy%C9%99tl%C9%99r/CuriousGolden Azerbaijani Wikipedia]. Noting all of the above, with my past contributions to this project, with over 12,000 edits, 12 article creations and one [[Talk:Mirza_Shafi_Vazeh/GA1|good article]], I am asking for an unblock as I would love to continue my work on creating and improving articles in a level-headed way. — [[User:CuriousGolden|<b style="color:#c29d25">Curious</b><b style="color:#c29d25">Golden</b>]] <b style="solid black"> [[User talk:CuriousGolden|(T·]][[Special:Contribs/CuriousGolden|C)]] </b> 14:17, 1 October 2021 (UTC) |decline = {{subst:Decline reason here}} ~~~~}}

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{{unblock reviewed |1=Hello. I was [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:CuriousGolden&diff=1015767245&oldid=1015394966&diffmode=source blocked] by [[User:Cabayi|Cabayi]] on Wikipedia 6 months ago for abusing a sockpuppet account. I created the sockpuppet account [[User:Gnominite]] few months before my block and used it for the purpose of affecting the outcomes of several Requested Moves made by my main account on articles about cities. I fully understand why my actions led to an indefinite block and know it was justified. I deeply regret creating the sockpuppet account and lying about it during the sockpuppetry investigation led by [[User:Blablubbs|Blablubbs]]. Quite frankly, I'm ashamed of my actions. Since my block, I have not tried to edit the English Wikipedia in any way again. I waited 6 months, as instructed on [[WP:SO]], to make my appeal. Before anything, I would like to promise that I will never sock again. Since my block, I took a 4-month break from all Wikimedia projects to reflect on my actions and past edits. After which, I joined back and continued my contributions on several Wikimedia projects, mainly, [https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/CuriousGolden Wikidata], where I made over four thousand new edits, and [https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/CuriousGolden Commons], where I contributed over four thousand new edits + Uploads ([[:Commons:Category:Photographs by CuriousGolden|Photographs]], [[:Commons:Category:Maps by CuriousGolden|maps]]). I also worked on several other languages' Wikipedias such as [https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A1%D0%BB%D1%83%D0%B6%D0%B5%D0%B1%D0%BD%D0%B0%D1%8F:%D0%92%D0%BA%D0%BB%D0%B0%D0%B4/CuriousGolden Russian Wikipedia] and [https://az.wikipedia.org/wiki/X%C3%BCsusi:F%C9%99aliyy%C9%99tl%C9%99r/CuriousGolden Azerbaijani Wikipedia]. Noting all of the above, with my past contributions to this project, with over 12,000 edits, 12 article creations and one [[Talk:Mirza_Shafi_Vazeh/GA1|good article]], I am asking for an unblock as I would love to continue my work on creating and improving articles in a level-headed way. — [[User:CuriousGolden|<b style="color:#c29d25">Curious</b><b style="color:#c29d25">Golden</b>]] <b style="solid black"> [[User talk:CuriousGolden|(T·]][[Special:Contribs/CuriousGolden|C)]] </b> 14:17, 1 October 2021 (UTC) |accept = accept reason here ~~~~}}

Checkuser evidence shows a  Possible link to Omarwithaschwa. Behavioural evidence should be evaluated by the reviewing admin, but please don't put too much stock in this finding. It's between unlikely and possible, rather than possible and likely. --Yamla (talk) 14:35, 1 October 2021 (UTC)

The user demonstrated very disruptive behaviour in Armenia-Azerbaijan topics previously, has a history of violations after being banned previously and history of edit warring in bad faith. I strongly oppose his comeback and if he ever comes back I think he shouldn’t be allowed to edit again in the topics he has got conflict of interest with. --Armatura (talk) 01:20, 2 October 2021 (UTC)

(talk page watcher) I almost don't need to say this, but Armatura has provided no evidence towards his claims. His comment here should be ignored unless that changes. If anyone wants to read the history between these two users, they can read the AN/I report archived here. –MJL ‐Talk‐^☖ 04:09, 2 October 2021 (UTC)

The evidence of previous block in his block log, MJL. At 01:01, on 16 April 2020 Callanecc blocked CuriousGolden with an expiration time of 3 days (account creation blocked) (Abusing multiple accounts: Please see: w:en:Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/CuriousGolden): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/CuriousGolden/Archive#15_April_2020 . I am quite bad at doing a digging work, but the memory of his behaviour is still fresh, as I said earlier a causal search with a keyword "CuriousColden" on noticeboard archives gives so many results it would take a life to post here all diffs of people being unhappy with his edtis, experienced users and admins can have look with batch-searching tools perhaps. His conflict of interest is larger than the examples provided in WP:COI I believe - he was unable to keep the balance in edits in AA2 area and demonstrated strong POV-pushing with promoting Azerbaijani state-sponsored information. If he wants to come back, he should convince other editors (including the ones he actively disagreed with) that his behaviour is not going to be the same as before, including in AA2 - his favorite subject. Hope this makes sense now. Best wishes --Armatura (talk) 13:25, 2 October 2021 (UTC)

(talk page watcher) Yamla I'd say it's quite possibly likely. If we take a look at the contributions of CuriousGolden on the Russian Wikipedia, there seems to be a lot of overlap with corresponding English language articles edited by Omarwithaschwa.

CuriousGolden created the images that are currently on the Karabakh Economic Region and Baku Economic Region articles and placed both of them on the Russian Wikipedia articles on August 20th.[1][2]

Omarwithaschwa created both the Karabakh Economic Region and Baku Economic Region articles on the English Wikipedia on September 26th.[3][4] Both creations use the images that CuriousGolden created.[5][6]

Omarwithaschwa also seems to be interested in the Lankaran-Astara Economic Region article, which CuriousGolden has also edited multiple times and uploaded different reversions of the image on.

CuriousGolden has a history of spreading images he created to as many different languages Wikipedias as possible, such as he did with this one.

They both also made several edits on the Economic regions of Azerbaijan article, CuriousGolden on the Russian Wikipedia[7][8] and Omarwithaschwa on the English Wikipedia.[9][10][11]

The reviewing admin should also note that User:Oshwah has suspected CuriousGolden uses a VPN.

And there's also a habitual similarity between CuriousGolden and Omarwithaschwa that I noticed, which I can email evidence of to any admin and/or checkuser. I'd prefer not to mention it publicly, so CuriousGolden won't know to avoid it with any possible future socks. --Steverci (talk) 04:33, 2 October 2021 (UTC)

I'm not qualified enough to make a comment about the socking, but I will say that if Omarwithaschwa is a sock of CuriousGolden, then that has some implications for Az.wiki as well since they both are editors there. With the previous sock, Special:CentralAuth/Gnominite shows it was never used outside of enwiki. Special:CentralAuth/Omarwithaschwa is quite the departure from that. I'll contact a trusted azwiki admin to take a look. –MJL ‐Talk‐^☖ 04:55, 2 October 2021 (UTC)

Sadly, the admin I contacted has not gotten back to me. I've taken a look at things myself, and I do see some minor similarities which probably could be attested to the fact the two live in the same general area. Let me elaborate on the similarity with diffs:

• Interest in Azerbaijani topics[12][13] including its economic regions.[14][15][16][17][18]

Okay, so over on az.wiki, it's a bit of a different story. Over there, Omar has 212 edits and CG has 197 edits. I would've expected at least some overlap there, but this is the Interaction Timeline between the two.

Further differences, include:

• Omar's interest in LGBT topics[19] and South Korea.[20][21][22][23][24] (Also accounting once on enwiki)
• CG uses advanced scripts and tools like AutoEd, JWB, Twinkle, and Hot Default Sort.

Okay, so for me the ultimate test would be to see if among CuriousGolden's 12,238 edits are any mainspace edits on enwiki related to South Korea. I went through them all manually, and I couldn't find a single one. This was the closest I got. To be honest, there were maybe like 100 edits (at most) that didn't directly relate to the Caucuses. I'm pretty sure if there was an article about sneezing in Azerbaijan that CuriousGolden would've edited it at some point.

I've spoken with CuriousGolden in private about it, and while CG has lied about socking before, from everything I was able to find in the last hour or so I compiled this all, I am decently confident this isn't their sock. –MJL ‐Talk‐^☖ 20:03, 11 October 2021 (UTC)

(talk page watcher) I'm pretty sure if there was an article about sneezing in Azerbaijan that CuriousGolden would've edited it at some point. – The Economic regions of Azerbaijan (where CG edited in the corresponding ru-wiki article [25], [26]) has only 7 edits, 3 of which are done by the potential sock account. If CG edits in most/all Az articles as you say, this will only confirm things. ZaniGiovanni (talk) 00:11, 12 October 2021 (UTC)

@ZaniGiovanni: I'm not sure what you're getting at. CG was blocked in April, and that article was created in July. –MJL ‐Talk‐^☖ 05:59, 12 October 2021 (UTC)

Oh, you're trying to say since Omarwithaschwa edited it, then that's evidence.. No, I really don't think so. Omarwithaschwa already demonstrated interest in the economic districts. That really isn't new information, and it would follow that Omar would edit the new parent article.

If Omarwithaschwa was really acting like CG, then we would expect a bunch of edits at random villages of Armenian/Azeri origins. That has not been seen in Omar's edits. –MJL ‐Talk‐^☖ 06:03, 12 October 2021 (UTC)

For some unknown to me reason, both CG (in ru-wiki because of his/her ban) and that new account suddenly started to edit in economic regions of Azerbaijan, given also as you pointed out the wide range of interest in Az articles CG has. I can't comment about off-wiki stuff, but I noticed CG started to delete some of his/her reddit comments when Nosebagbear mentioned the off-wiki potential WP:COI evidence. Terrific editor, ZaniGiovanni (talk) 06:15, 12 October 2021 (UTC)

@ZaniGiovanni: I mean, yeah, someone was starting to stalk and harass this user off-wiki? I hope you know that CG isn't in the wrong for that. For clarity, the person I'm referring to has not commented in this thread and isn't active on wiki anymore. –MJL ‐Talk‐^☖ 22:48, 12 October 2021 (UTC)

Addressing Steverci's concerns/arguments: I was approached by a Commons user on 7 July to update my already existing Azerbaijan economic region maps as the Azerbaijani government had made changes to the regions. At this time, I was still on a full break from Wikimedia. I saw the comment around 20 days later when I updated the region maps (and uploaded new maps of the new regions) as my first action following a full 4-month break. These maps were and still are the most used (and to my knowledge, the only) maps of the individual economic regions and they're used on all language Wikipedias that have articles about these individual regions (e.g. Persian Wiki).

The user Omarwithaschwa started translating articles of the new economic regions from other languages into English in late September. One of Steverci's arguments is that this user used the maps I have created. This ignores the fact that these maps were the only maps used on all language Wikipedias on these regions' articles, so naturally, Omarwithaschwa used the same map they saw from the other language Wikipedia they were translating from (which seems to be the Azerbaijani Wikipedia as they've been translated word-to-word, e.g. this article's Azeri version vs English version).

Another one of Steverci's arguments is that Omarwithaschwa edited the Lankaran-Astara Economic Region, which I also happened to edit. Firstly, I've probably edited every single article on the Azerbaijan topic at least once. Secondly, Omarwithaschwa simply moved the page from "Lankaran Economic Region" to "Lankaran-Astara Economic Region" which corresponds to the change Azerbaijani government did as they renamed the region to have a new name as well. So it seems to be part of their bigger editing process of updating these regions' pages. — CuriousGolden (T·C) 20:48, 11 October 2021 (UTC)

• @MJL and Yamla: - this appeal is becoming increasingly complicated, and I suspect most of the unblock gang is like me - reticent to make an edge call. We are left with two main facets: the potential socking (primarily behavioural, given the possible reading) and the other behaviour. Now if there's private evidence, as indicated by @Steverci: that is sufficiently strong then a CU-close (even if not a CU-block) would be good. If that isn't forthcoming in the next few days, this should be taken to WP:AN, rather than handling as a sole unblock or a string of procedural closes Nosebagbear (talk) 21:04, 11 October 2021 (UTC)

  Unfortunately, the checkuser evidence is not conclusive in this case, as far as I saw. I concur, I think WP:AN is the right location for this. --Yamla (talk) 21:34, 11 October 2021 (UTC)

  How about we take this to Arbcom since this involves potential offwiki evidence and is under a ds regime? I don't think WP:AN will probably be able to uncomplicate this in any easy manner. –MJL ‐Talk‐^☖ 21:55, 11 October 2021 (UTC)

  (talk page watcher) I was also going to note that AN is quite likely to generate tension and partisan involvement along the normal AA2 lines, and maybe isn't the best way to illuminate/resolve the situation. Jr8825 • Talk 22:34, 11 October 2021 (UTC)

  ArbCom may well take the case if we encourage it. Yamla, thoughts? Nosebagbear (talk) 22:36, 11 October 2021 (UTC)

  I emailed you the sufficiently strong private evidence. --Steverci (talk) 02:35, 13 October 2021 (UTC)

• I was the clerk who processed the Golden SPI. I'm not convinced of a link to Omarwithaschwa (talk · contribs). To be clear, I can't exclude it entirely based on the limited number of enwiki edits to compare, but I would be far from willing to sanction anyone based on what I'm seeing and a {{possible}} CU result. --Blablubbs (talk) 08:19, 12 October 2021 (UTC)

  I would like to add my 2 cents. I don't find claims of sockpuppetry to be compelling. No strong CU evidence, and behavioral evidence is also not convincing. I think CG should be given a second chance. We have done it before for other editors in Armenia-Azerbaijan area who were caught socking, and they continue editing. CuriousGolden is a prolific and useful contributor, who improved existing and created new articles, and if he promises to never make the same mistakes again and strictly abide by the rules, I think he should be allowed back. Grandmaster 10:04, 13 October 2021 (UTC)