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====Oprah's Last Chapter====
*<span id="Oprah's Last Chapter">{{no redirect|1 = Oprah's Last Chapter }}</span> → [[:Oprah Winfrey]] <span>&nbsp;<span class="plainlinks lx">([[Talk:Oprah's Last Chapter|talk]] <b>·</b> [[Special:WhatLinksHere/Oprah's Last Chapter|links]] <b>·</b> [[Special:PageHistory/Oprah's Last Chapter|history]] <b>·</b> [[:toolforge:pageviews/?start=2023-10-03&end=2023-11-01&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Oprah%27s_Last_Chapter|stats]])</span></span>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<small class="plainlinks"><nowiki>[</nowiki>&nbsp;Closure:&nbsp;''{{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:Oprah's Last Chapter|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Oprah's Last Chapter]] closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Oprah's Last Chapter|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Oprah's Last Chapter]] closed as retarget}}}} retarget]<span class="sysop-show">/[{{fullurl:Oprah's Last Chapter|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:[[{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Oprah's Last Chapter]] closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]</span>}}''&nbsp;]</small>&nbsp;

Target article is unclear on what this redirect is meant to refer. [[User:Steel1943|<span style="color: #3F00FF;">'''''Steel1943'''''</span>]] ([[User talk:Steel1943|talk]]) 18:30, 2 November 2023 (UTC)
*'''Comment, leaning delete'''. This seems to relate to ''[[Oprah Prime]]'', which was known as "''Oprah's Next Chapter''" (and mentioned on the main article) at the time this redirect was created in 2013. Google search results, which all date from 2012-13, fall into three groups. The first are reactions, mainly by Indians, against a particular episode in July 2012. The second group consists of miscellaneous reviews and commentaries on the show (some from reliable sources, others not). If these were the only hits I'd be unhesitatingly recommending deletion, however there is a third group of hits from reliable sources that describe episodes or specials with this exact name, e.g. [https://www.adelaidenow.com.au/entertainment/confidential/bridgette-sneddon-thrilled-to-join-her-logiewinning-boyfriend-steve-peacocke-on-home-and-away/news-story/db86b9cf5abb141aabf2e55ac94e3e6e?nk=55170a37887f279751150d16834020f4-1698955130] (interview with Tina Turner), [https://popcrush.com/lady-gaga-mother-screw-loose/] (interview with Lady GaGa) [https://www.brecorder.com/news/amp/73136] (interview with Rihanna). However as these are all contemporary with episodes of "Oprah's Next Chapter" they have left me confused. I'm leaning delete because we don't appear to have any mention of this on en.wp, but I'm not outright recommending that because it's possible we should have something to point to. [[User:Thryduulf|Thryduulf]] ([[User talk:Thryduulf|talk]]) 20:08, 2 November 2023 (UTC)
:<p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"><span style="color: #FF6600;">'''{{resize|91%|[[Wikipedia:Deletion process#Relisting discussions|Relisted]] to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.}}'''</span><br /><small>Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, <span class="nowrap">—[[User:TechnoSquirrel69|TechnoSquirrel69]]</span> ([[User talk:TechnoSquirrel69|sigh]]) 08:35, 10 November 2023 (UTC)</small><!-- from Template:XfD relist --></p>
* '''Weak retarget''' to [[Oprah Prime]] and tag as {{tl|R from incorrect name}} and as avoided redirect to [[Oprah's Next Chapter]].<span style="font-family:Segoe Script">[[User:Jay| Jay]]</span><span style="font-size:115%">[[User talk:Jay| 💬]]</span> 10:24, 17 November 2023 (UTC)
:<p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"><span style="color: #FF6600;">'''{{resize|91%|[[Wikipedia:Deletion process#Relisting discussions|Relisted]] to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.}}'''</span><br /><small>Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, <small>[[User:CycloneYoris|<b style="color:blue; text-shadow:cyan 0.0em 0.0em 0.1em;">CycloneYoris</b>]]</small> <sup>[[User talk:CycloneYoris|<b style="color:purple">''talk!''</b>]]</sup> 21:51, 17 November 2023 (UTC)</small><!-- from Template:XfD relist --></p>
====Mao Genocide====
====Mao Genocide====
*<span id="Mao Genocide">{{no redirect|1 = Mao Genocide }}</span> → [[:Great Leap Forward#Consequences]] <span>&nbsp;<span class="plainlinks lx">([[Talk:Mao Genocide|talk]] <b>·</b> [[Special:WhatLinksHere/Mao Genocide|links]] <b>·</b> [[Special:PageHistory/Mao Genocide|history]] <b>·</b> [[:toolforge:pageviews/?start=2023-10-11&end=2023-11-09&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Mao_Genocide|stats]])</span></span>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<small class="plainlinks"><nowiki>[</nowiki>&nbsp;Closure:&nbsp;''{{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:Mao Genocide|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Mao Genocide]] closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Mao Genocide|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Mao Genocide]] closed as retarget}}}} retarget]<span class="sysop-show">/[{{fullurl:Mao Genocide|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:[[{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Mao Genocide]] closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]</span>}}''&nbsp;]</small>&nbsp;
*<span id="Mao Genocide">{{no redirect|1 = Mao Genocide }}</span> → [[:Great Leap Forward#Consequences]] <span>&nbsp;<span class="plainlinks lx">([[Talk:Mao Genocide|talk]] <b>·</b> [[Special:WhatLinksHere/Mao Genocide|links]] <b>·</b> [[Special:PageHistory/Mao Genocide|history]] <b>·</b> [[:toolforge:pageviews/?start=2023-10-11&end=2023-11-09&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Mao_Genocide|stats]])</span></span>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<small class="plainlinks"><nowiki>[</nowiki>&nbsp;Closure:&nbsp;''{{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:Mao Genocide|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Mao Genocide]] closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Mao Genocide|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Mao Genocide]] closed as retarget}}}} retarget]<span class="sysop-show">/[{{fullurl:Mao Genocide|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:[[{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Mao Genocide]] closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]</span>}}''&nbsp;]</small>&nbsp;
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*A look at some of the redirect's targets that got moved over time: [[Landlord Classicide under Mao Zedong]] which was moved to [[Mass killings of landlords under Mao Zedong]] moved to [[Chinese Land Reform Movement (1947-1976)]] moved to [[Land Reform Movement]]. Also see [[Class purges under Mao Zedong]] and [[List of massacres in China]]. The current target did not come about as part of the moves, but was a bold retarget by an IP in 2019. If any of the titles can be seen as similar to the redirect under discussion, then retarget to the appropriate target.<span style="font-family:Segoe Script">[[User:Jay| Jay]]</span><span style="font-size:115%">[[User talk:Jay| 💬]]</span> 09:43, 17 November 2023 (UTC)
*A look at some of the redirect's targets that got moved over time: [[Landlord Classicide under Mao Zedong]] which was moved to [[Mass killings of landlords under Mao Zedong]] moved to [[Chinese Land Reform Movement (1947-1976)]] moved to [[Land Reform Movement]]. Also see [[Class purges under Mao Zedong]] and [[List of massacres in China]]. The current target did not come about as part of the moves, but was a bold retarget by an IP in 2019. If any of the titles can be seen as similar to the redirect under discussion, then retarget to the appropriate target.<span style="font-family:Segoe Script">[[User:Jay| Jay]]</span><span style="font-size:115%">[[User talk:Jay| 💬]]</span> 09:43, 17 November 2023 (UTC)
:<p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"><span style="color: #FF6600;">'''{{resize|91%|[[Wikipedia:Deletion process#Relisting discussions|Relisted]] to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.}}'''</span><br /><small>Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, <small>[[User:CycloneYoris|<b style="color:blue; text-shadow:cyan 0.0em 0.0em 0.1em;">CycloneYoris</b>]]</small> <sup>[[User talk:CycloneYoris|<b style="color:purple">''talk!''</b>]]</sup> 21:50, 17 November 2023 (UTC)</small><!-- from Template:XfD relist --></p>
:<p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"><span style="color: #FF6600;">'''{{resize|91%|[[Wikipedia:Deletion process#Relisting discussions|Relisted]] to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.}}'''</span><br /><small>Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, <small>[[User:CycloneYoris|<b style="color:blue; text-shadow:cyan 0.0em 0.0em 0.1em;">CycloneYoris</b>]]</small> <sup>[[User talk:CycloneYoris|<b style="color:purple">''talk!''</b>]]</sup> 21:50, 17 November 2023 (UTC)</small><!-- from Template:XfD relist --></p>

====Diviya====
====Diviya====
*<span id="Diviya">{{no redirect|1 = Diviya }}</span> → [[:Divya Tewar]] <span>&nbsp;<span class="plainlinks lx">([[Talk:Diviya|talk]] <b>·</b> [[Special:WhatLinksHere/Diviya|links]] <b>·</b> [[Special:PageHistory/Diviya|history]] <b>·</b> [[:toolforge:pageviews/?start=2023-10-11&end=2023-11-09&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Diviya|stats]])</span></span>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<small class="plainlinks"><nowiki>[</nowiki>&nbsp;Closure:&nbsp;''{{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:Diviya|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Diviya]] closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Diviya|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Diviya]] closed as retarget}}}} retarget]<span class="sysop-show">/[{{fullurl:Diviya|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:[[{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Diviya]] closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]</span>}}''&nbsp;]</small>&nbsp;
*<span id="Diviya">{{no redirect|1 = Diviya }}</span> → [[:Divya Tewar]] <span>&nbsp;<span class="plainlinks lx">([[Talk:Diviya|talk]] <b>·</b> [[Special:WhatLinksHere/Diviya|links]] <b>·</b> [[Special:PageHistory/Diviya|history]] <b>·</b> [[:toolforge:pageviews/?start=2023-10-11&end=2023-11-09&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Diviya|stats]])</span></span>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<small class="plainlinks"><nowiki>[</nowiki>&nbsp;Closure:&nbsp;''{{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:Diviya|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Diviya]] closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Diviya|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Diviya]] closed as retarget}}}} retarget]<span class="sysop-show">/[{{fullurl:Diviya|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:[[{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Diviya]] closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]</span>}}''&nbsp;]</small>&nbsp;

Revision as of 21:51, 17 November 2023

This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on November 17, 2023.

Oprah's Last Chapter

Target article is unclear on what this redirect is meant to refer. Steel1943 (talk) 18:30, 2 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment, leaning delete. This seems to relate to Oprah Prime, which was known as "Oprah's Next Chapter" (and mentioned on the main article) at the time this redirect was created in 2013. Google search results, which all date from 2012-13, fall into three groups. The first are reactions, mainly by Indians, against a particular episode in July 2012. The second group consists of miscellaneous reviews and commentaries on the show (some from reliable sources, others not). If these were the only hits I'd be unhesitatingly recommending deletion, however there is a third group of hits from reliable sources that describe episodes or specials with this exact name, e.g. [1] (interview with Tina Turner), [2] (interview with Lady GaGa) [3] (interview with Rihanna). However as these are all contemporary with episodes of "Oprah's Next Chapter" they have left me confused. I'm leaning delete because we don't appear to have any mention of this on en.wp, but I'm not outright recommending that because it's possible we should have something to point to. Thryduulf (talk) 20:08, 2 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, TechnoSquirrel69 (sigh) 08:35, 10 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris talk! 21:51, 17 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Mao Genocide

Controversial redirect whose article to which it is targeted does not mention that the name of the redirect is the common name. Also, it was created by a sockpuppet user. 2x2leax (talk) 06:59, 10 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Similar nominations merged. Steel1943 (talk) 07:36, 10 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Unlike the Cultural Revolution, there is nothing in the article that describes the Great Leap Forward as a genocide or similar. The GLF is instead described as a politicide. –LaundryPizza03 (d) 04:20, 11 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Diviya

I believe the primary topic is a slavic deity and this is a misspelling of the woman's name Immanuelle ❤️💚💙 (talk to the cutest Wikipedian) 03:01, 10 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Delete or retarget?
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Maple leafs

The plural form of "leaf" is "leaves", not "leafs". However, there is a hockey team (the Toronto Maple Leafs) that the redirect Maple Leafs points to. I think it's more likely that a user searching for this term would expect to find the hockey team while forgetting to capitalize the term "leafs" than it would be that they forget the plural of "leaf", add an "s" on to the end and seek to find the leaf. — Red-tailed hawk (nest) 19:53, 17 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  • Weak retarget to Toronto Maple Leafs – I'm not entirely convinced that the Leafs are the primary topic for this term, but the spelling is fairly unusual. On the other hand, it's a plausible grammar mistake to make, especially if you're learning English (world-renowned for its straightforward grammar and intuitive spelling). The second hatnote at Toronto Maple Leafs covers that fine, though.
On the other hand, maybe targeting to Maple leaf (disambiguation) is best, as it represents a compromise between the current target and the proposed one.
Ultimately, we have to guess what people searching "Maple leafs" in the Wikipedia search engine want, and, as we aren't telepathic,‹The template Fake citation needed is being considered for merging.› [citation needed] we may as well flip a coin. I think the hockey team is the best target, given the hatnote, but not by a wide margin. Edward-Woodrow (talk) 21:05, 17 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Minor-attracted persons

Largely per Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Minor-attracted person (2nd nomination), a redirect was rejected in favor of outright deletion. Minor-attracted person was salted thereafter, but this title was not, and so it was created. — Red-tailed hawk (nest) 18:53, 17 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

🔥

I feel like this emoji could just as easily be representing a flame, which is where it might be better to point to (emojipedia, for example, describes this emoji as depicting "a flame"). — Red-tailed hawk (nest) 18:36, 17 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Trumpesque

Previous RfDs for this redirect and similar redirects:

Should this redirect to Trumpism instead? Steel1943 (talk) 19:08, 2 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Keep or soft retarget to Wiktionary?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, TechnoSquirrel69 (sigh) 08:37, 10 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Holy Spirit Catholic School (San Jose, California)

Not mentioned at the target which itself is a pretty broad topic. Nobody searching for this school would like to read up on the city that it is in. Why? I Ask (talk) 03:50, 17 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Harpo Winfrey

Seems like a potential WP:XY issue pertaining to the target subject and Harpo Productions. Either way, the use of the word "Harpo" in regards to Oprah Winfrey ("Harpo" is "Oprah" backwards) refers more to the company "Harpo Productions", given that the biographical subject is not usually, if ever, referred to as "Harpo". Steel1943 (talk) 19:02, 2 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Hey man im josh (talk) 02:09, 10 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Hamas militants

Should this redirect here, or the main Hamas article? GnocchiFan (talk) 23:14, 2 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. The term "Hamas militants" going to the article on the military wing of Hamas (that is, the Izz ad-Din al-Qassam Brigades) is very logical and sensible. — Red-tailed hawk (nest) 13:38, 3 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I understand that logic, but is this what the term "Hamas militants" means in common parlance? GnocchiFan (talk) 16:56, 3 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I think so. All of the regular forces of Hamas would fall under that umbrella, from what I understand. — Red-tailed hawk (nest) 20:56, 3 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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  • Keep I don't know much about how Hamas is structured, but if I reached this article I would probably be satisfied. If I was looking for the main article I could just click the link in the lead. --Trialpears (talk) 06:52, 17 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

First violin

Potentially unclear if this redirect is meant to refer to the target, or to String section which contains reference to a "first violin" section rather than a sole individual. Steel1943 (talk) 05:40, 9 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

See definition 2 at: https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/first_violin
Samw (talk) 12:01, 9 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think wiktionary is officially "RS": and I do not think this definition is correct. As the second definition suggests, the "number one violin" in an orchestra is called the "leader" in Britain, the "concertmaster" in America. But otherwise, the expression "first violin" (usu/often plural) refers to the first violin part or players, as the first defn. at wiktionary says, before it goes off the rails. Imaginatorium (talk) 17:29, 9 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Redirect to string section as proposed. First violin refers mainly to the section, not the one position. AngusW🐶🐶F (barksniff) 15:38, 17 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Andachtsjodler, Austrian devotional yodel

Delete. Unlikely search term, especially in its entirety. Florian Blaschke (talk) 01:18, 17 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Arcanists

Very ambiguous search term (see Special:Search/Arcanist) pointing to something only barely mentioned at the target. * Pppery * it has begun... 00:29, 17 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Fools Rush In(song)

Delete per WP:RDAB due to the extra space between the title and the disambiguator. The title with the correct spacing, Fools Rush In (song), is a redirect that targets the same target as the nominated redirect. Steel1943 (talk) 00:25, 17 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Philip Dunne(writer)

Delete per WP:RDAB due to the extra space between the title and the disambiguator. The title with the correct spacing, Philip Dunne (writer), is the target of the nominated redirect. Steel1943 (talk) 00:24, 17 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]