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}} Nickelodeon executive notable for creating [[The Backyardigans]], death announced on March 5th. [[User:Mr. Lechkar|Mr. Lechkar]] ([[User talk:Mr. Lechkar|talk]]) 14:06, 6 March 2024 (UTC)
}} Nickelodeon executive notable for creating [[The Backyardigans]], death announced on March 5th. [[User:Mr. Lechkar|Mr. Lechkar]] ([[User talk:Mr. Lechkar|talk]]) 14:06, 6 March 2024 (UTC)


==== (Reviewers needed) RD: Jaclyn Jose ====
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}} Cannes Best Actress awardee in 2016 for ''[[Ma' Rosa]]'', but better known in the Philippines for her roles in the TV series ''[[Mula sa Puso]]'' (1997–1999) and ''[[Mundo Mo'y Akin]]'' (2013). Died on 2 March, but her death was only reported on 3 March. Article looks to have been significantly improved compared to its state a few days ago, although some {cn} tags remain and some sections need to have additional citations. [[User:Vida0007|Vida0007]] ([[User talk:Vida0007|talk]]) 18:02, 5 March 2024 (UTC)<!-- Do NOT remove the ~ -->
}} Cannes Best Actress awardee in 2016 for ''[[Ma' Rosa]]'', but better known in the Philippines for her roles in the TV series ''[[Mula sa Puso]]'' (1997–1999) and ''[[Mundo Mo'y Akin]]'' (2013). Died on 2 March, but her death was only reported on 3 March. Article looks to have been significantly improved compared to its state a few days ago, although some {cn} tags remain and some sections need to have additional citations. [[User:Vida0007|Vida0007]] ([[User talk:Vida0007|talk]]) 18:02, 5 March 2024 (UTC)<!-- Do NOT remove the ~ -->
*'''Oppose''' There's an orange tag, a CN tag and the filmography and awards section need citations. '''[[Scientia potentia est]]''', <span style="background-color: darkorange">[[User:MonarchOfTerror|<span style="color: yellow">'''Monarch'''</span>]][[User talk:MonarchOfTerror|<span style="color: darkblue">'''OfTerror'''</span>]]</span> 20:02, 7 March 2024 (UTC)


==== Brit Awards 2024 ====
==== Brit Awards 2024 ====

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March 7

March 7, 2024 (2024-03-07) (Thursday)

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(Posted) Sweden's accession to NATO

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Article: Sweden–NATO relations (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Sweden joins NATO as its 32nd member. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Sweden joins NATO as its 32nd member.
News source(s): US Department of State, Politico, Reuters
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Sweden is set to join today formally. Was on hold last time, it's about time we nominate this now. TwistedAxe [contact] 14:53, 7 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support although blurb can be improved and the article will likely be moved to Sweden in NATO like for Finland in NATO. (edit: I somehow hallucinated that move) Chaotıċ Enby (talk · contribs) 14:55, 7 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Agreed. Could someone maybe insert a fitting image as well? TwistedAxe [contact] 14:57, 7 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Done (blurb and image), although if someone has an image of the accession ceremony it would be even better than the map! Chaotıċ Enby (talk · contribs) 15:02, 7 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The accession ceremony is set to be held on the 11th of March, although the treaty is set to come into force today. TwistedAxe [contact] 15:03, 7 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
We can go with this image, and maybe update it when the accession ceremony happens if it's still on the main page by then (likely). Chaotıċ Enby (talk · contribs) 16:14, 7 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment one section is tagged as source less, and I spot a couple CNs floating around. Masem (t) 14:58, 7 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Just wait until it is really, really, really set and fixed. Please! We can't risk anything now. Everyone on Swedish media is going: "For the love of..., don't jinx anything now." Cart (talk) 15:01, 7 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    All 31 member states have deposited their instruments of ratification and the US Department of State have confirmed that the treaty is in force as of today. There are no more "risks" Going to note that the PM has yet to deposit the instrument at 4PM UTC, in less than an hour. Still fitting to post it though considering everything will be done today and formal accession will conclude by the end of the day.TwistedAxe [contact] 15:05, 7 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
If you had followed this as closely and for as long as we Swedes have, you wouldn't mind waiting that hour. We have become very jaded with all the things that have popped up along the process. Cart (talk) 15:12, 7 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I have followed this as long as the Swedes have considering I am Swedish ;) TwistedAxe [contact] 15:16, 7 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry, not so used to bumping into fellow Swedes here at ITN. More used to explaining things to Americans. ;-) Cart (talk) 15:19, 7 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
No worries. TwistedAxe [contact] 15:30, 7 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Totally agree, we can polish up the article and make everything ready in the meantime. Cart (talk) 15:13, 7 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support we had brought it up earlier that we would like to nominate it once they had officially joined. It is very notable given the ongoing tensions between russia and nato. Ion.want.uu (talk) 15:35, 7 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I do agree however that we should clean up the article a bit if needed. Ion.want.uu (talk) 15:35, 7 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
this is importent news. i agree. 2600:1700:8090:4440:B4B9:F680:424F:F9 (talk) 17:48, 7 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: John Kumah

Article: John Kumah (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination
Blurb:  Ghana's Deputy Finance Minister Dies At 46 (Post)
News source(s): Citinewsroom, Reuters
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Article updated
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Heatrave (talk) 14:38, 7 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

March 6

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(Posted) RD: Pigcasso

Article: Pigcasso (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Clarín
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Article updated
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South African painting pig. Death announced on 6 March. gobonobo + c 14:45, 7 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

No reference for death. Secretlondon (talk) 14:50, 7 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The Clarin news source given above has been used? Martinevans123 (talk) 14:56, 7 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Mohammed Al-Sharekh

Article: Mohammed Al-Sharekh (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Al Sharq
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Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Kuwaiti business magnate, founder of Sakhr Software Company. Jmanlucas (talk) 08:44, 7 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Pakistan floods

Article: 2024 Pakistan floods (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ At least 35 people have been killed and 50 injured in floods in Pakistan. (Post)
News source(s): Al Jazeera, BBC, VOA, Al Arabiya, Crisis 24,
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Ainty Painty (talk) 03:53, 6 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Mild Support not sure if this is the most notable but I could see it getting nominated. Ion.want.uu (talk) 05:11, 6 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Weak oppose - While we don't have a specific death tally for natural disasters like this (or at least, none that I'm aware of), news like these very rarely get posted. Plus, the article could use a bit of work. - Bucket of sulfuric acid (talk | contribs) 08:08, 6 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

March 5

March 5, 2024 (2024-03-05) (Tuesday)

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RD: Dagmar Loe

Article: Dagmar Loe (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NRK
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Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Norwegian journalist. Turned 101 in 2024. Oceanh (talk) 19:21, 7 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Shafiqah Hudson

Article: Shafiqah Hudson (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NYT
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Article updated
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Death in February but news coverage dates to March 5. Innisfree987 (talk) 09:52, 7 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Linda Balgord

Article: Linda Balgord (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://playbill.com/article/broadway-cats-phantom-of-the-opera-star-linda-balgord-dies-at-64
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

American Broadway actress and singer. 65.94.213.53 (talk) 07:12, 7 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Solihin G. P.

Article: Solihin G. P. (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [1]
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Article updated
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Juxlos (talk) 06:33, 5 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support The article seems well-sourced and of sufficiently good quality. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 11:17, 5 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support The last living general to fought in the Indonesian National Revolution. RIP. --Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 11:52, 5 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

March 4

March 4, 2024 (2024-03-04) (Monday)

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(Posted) State of emergency in Haiti

Article: Gang war in Haiti (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Haiti declares a state of emergency after armed gangs storm major prisons, demand Prime Minister's resignation (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Haiti declares a state of emergency after gangs storm two prisons and demand the resignation of Prime Minister Ariel Henry.
News source(s): Washington Post, BBC
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Staraction (talk | contribs) 21:48, 4 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support altblurb on notability as this is arguably the worst the crisis has been since the President was assassinated; however, oppose on quality as the article hasn't been updated seemingly since late December. The Kip 22:03, 4 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • I've written a little bit about the new state of emergency on the originally nominated article - see Gang war in Haiti#2024 prison storming. If another article is used, please feel free to transfer what I've written over under WP:CWW!
Staraction (talk | contribs) 22:36, 4 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose on quality due to there being only two paragraphs about the event in the article. I'm not sure on notability, but will reassess when more details are added to the article. Support on notability Article has been significantly expanded, and this seems to be notable enough. Gödel2200 (talk) 00:59, 5 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support, highly notable security crisis with national and international implications. Marquisate (talk) 01:54, 5 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support, as this is a major escalation in the already dire situation of the conflict AG AGR280 (talk) 03:55, 5 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support on notability, although I think the prison storming should be its separate article (more than 4700 escapees, by the way). Chaotıċ Enby (talk · contribs) 04:10, 5 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Did try to create separate article - however I removed references to it since it has less detail than the Gang war in Haiti article at this point. Ought I add it back? 2024 gang violence in Haiti Staraction (talk | contribs) 04:16, 5 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Still good to have it on hand (likely as an altblurb) if it gets expanded in time. Also you could add {{main}} from Gang war in Haiti#2024 prison storming to the new article! Chaotıċ Enby (talk · contribs) 04:32, 5 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support as this has been one of the worst events in human history Ion.want.uu (talk) 04:48, 5 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support here- though I'll be requesting that the current article about the events is changed to fit the fact that much more than a jailbreak has happened, it's still a very notable event - presidentofyes, the super aussa man 11:33, 5 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support altblurb - per all above Abo Yemen✉ 11:58, 5 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

France adopts abortion rights in constitution

Article: Abortion in France (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ France becomes the first country to enshrine abortion rights in their constitution. (Post)
News source(s): CNN
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While a larger celebration is due this Friday on Int'l Women's Rights Day, the passage completes the process today. Holding off to Friday is not unreasonable. Masem (t) 18:36, 4 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not that familiar with how legislation works in France, but was this an actual bill that was being voted on, or was the vote explicitly for the change in the constitution? If it was the former, we could just make an article for that bill, which could then be the target. If the latter, as per Brandmeister, we could target the Constitution of France article. While that article does need a bit of work (and an update about the enshrinement), it is of far better quality than the Abortion in France article. Gödel2200 (talk) 19:39, 4 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support as per above Ion.want.uu (talk) 04:49, 5 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support as per above PrinceofPunjabTALK 05:41, 5 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose ...until we have an article on this actual event. Having it buried in as a minor part of another article isn't good enough. HiLo48 (talk) 05:46, 5 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    • ITN does not require a separate article for any event, just that there is a significant update to an existing article (which is lacking presently). — Masem (t) 13:06, 5 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose - a blurb is proposed, but there is no specific article about this event, actually there isn't even a named paragraph in the suggested article. 51.154.145.205 (talk) 07:44, 5 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose on quality the article suggested is Abortion in France, which has multiple orange tags and doesn't have a specific section on this event. If we get an article on this event (or substantial content about it in another article that also doesn't have multiple orange tags), and that meets WP:ITNQUALITY, then it and only then would it be worth considering whether or not to post this. I'm confused as to how anyone can just vote support when there isn't even an article for this. Joseph2302 (talk) 13:06, 5 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    The section "21st century liberalization" in Abortion in France covers this (going back to Dobbs in 2022 when the bill to change the constitution was introduced, for two paragraphs, but it definitely could be expanded). Masem (t) 13:21, 5 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    It has 2 short paragraphs totalling 908 characters about it (excluding the mention of Yugoslavia that isn't sourced)- that's not enough. Joseph2302 (talk) 16:34, 5 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose - Both on quality and notability. I don't really see how a domestic constitutional amendment is notable enough for ITN. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 13:16, 5 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    It is similar to how we've posted first countries in specific regions to support gay marriage. It's the first country to specifically call out abortion rights as protected, which is a milestone for women's rights. If it was the second or third to do so, yes, it wouldn't be so significant. Masem (t) 13:23, 5 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Yeah but I feel it draws on quite an arbitrary metric which is 'codified in the constitution'. Almost nothing has changed in actual French abortion law. We shouldn't automatically post "first to enact law" countries unless it has an excessive amount of notability. Even if you think this is a milestone for women's rights, I still don't see the justification for posting this. Barely any news coverage outside of domestic French politics, as well as the article only being two sentences. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 13:41, 5 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I agree. There is massive variation in what a constitution is around the world. In my country, Australia, abortion is fully legal everywhere, but I don't believe it's the kind of thing that could ever go in the country's constitution. It's just not what our constitution is for. I'm sure similar situations exist elsewhere. So abortion in Australia is already as legal as it can be, but that didn't appear in ITN. HiLo48 (talk) 20:38, 5 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Supreme Court rules Trump must appear on Colorado's ballot

Clearly not going to garner consensus to be posted. No need to waste time on further discussion. Noah, AATalk 17:47, 4 March 2024 (UTC) (non-admin closure)[reply]

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Article: Trump v. Anderson (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The Supreme Court of the United States rules that Donald Trump must appear on Colorado ballots in the 2024 United States presidential election, unanimously reversing a ruling by the Colorado Supreme Court. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ The Supreme Court of the United States rules that Donald Trump must appear on Colorado ballots in the 2024 United States presidential election.
News source(s): New York Times the Guardian
Credits:
IntoThinAir (talk) 16:36, 4 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. When the election happens, we'll post the winner as a blurb. There's no need for updates on who even appears on the ballot. We never post the winners of the party nomination primaries, for example. Modest Genius talk 16:40, 4 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • I think this rather makes the case to have the 2024 U.S. presidential election campaign as ongoing. The twists and turns are piling up. BD2412 T 16:46, 4 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not intrinsically opposed to putting major election campaigns in ongoing, but I think this proposal is premature. We should only put the US election there at the earliest when both parties have definitively chosen their candidates; likewise the UK one only when parliament is dissolved. Otherwise we'll be overflowing. GenevieveDEon (talk) 17:42, 4 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

March 3

March 3, 2024 (2024-03-03) (Sunday)

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RD: Juli Lynne Charlot

Article: Juli Lynne Charlot (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NYT
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Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Staraction (talk | contribs) 02:37, 5 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose There's an orange tag indicating multiple issues. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 11:11, 5 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Eleanor Collins

Article: Eleanor Collins (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): CBC
Credits:

Article updated
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Canadian jazz singer, television host and civic leader. Known as "Canada's first lady of jazz". Scientia potentia est, MonarchOfTerror 10:15, 4 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Chris Mortensen

Article: Chris Mortensen (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NBC News
Credits:

Article updated
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240F:7A:6253:1:2DDA:5B3F:E171:D64F (talk) 04:11, 4 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Ed Ott

Article: Ed Ott (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [3]
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Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

– Muboshgu (talk) 00:10, 4 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: U. L. Washington

Article: U. L. Washington (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [4]
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

– Muboshgu (talk) 18:54, 3 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That's a real splitting hairs discussion that is not material to the decision on quality here. GreatCaesarsGhost 12:01, 5 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
There was originally a Cn tag there on recently added material before the discussion was started.[5] I'm not saying it's a showstopper or not. —Bagumba (talk) 12:36, 5 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You say that, but here you are stopping the show. By pointing out an unsettled discussion started by...YOU...after the CN was addressed. Regarding a matter of remarkably low significance. GreatCaesarsGhost 21:23, 5 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support The article is of good enough quality now. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 00:50, 6 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) Pakistan New PM

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Article: 2024 Pakistani general election (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Following the general election, Shehbaz Sharif is appointed Prime Minister of Pakistan. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Following the general election, Shahbaz Sharif is appointed Prime Minister of Pakistan amid allegations of election rigging.
Alternative blurb II: ​ Following the general election, Shahbaz Sharif is appointed Prime Minister of Pakistan with the support of PML-N allies, amid allegations of election rigging.
Alternative blurb III: ​ Following the general election marred by rigging allegations, Shahbaz Sharif is appointed Prime Minister of Pakistan despite the PTI-backed independent candidates winning majority seats.
Alternative blurb IV: ​ Following the general election, Shahbaz Sharif is appointed Prime Minister of Pakistan despite the PTI-backed independent candidates winning majority seats.
Alternative blurb V: ​ Following the general election, Shehbaz Sharif is appointed Prime Minister of Pakistan although the PTI-backed independent candidates winning a plurality of seats.
Alternative blurb VI: ​ Following the general election, Shehbaz Sharif is appointed Prime Minister of Pakistan, forming a coalition government between the PML-N and the PPP.
News source(s): Reuters, Al Jazeera, Express Tribube
Credits:

The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Ainty Painty (talk) 08:59, 3 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support altblurb, OR altblurb IV The election has faced allegations of rigging, supported by numerous reputable sources [can be found on election page]. These allegations have prompted the creation of a standalone WP page dedicated to documenting the irregularities at Allegations of rigging in the 2024 Pakistani general election. so It's crucial that WP highlight these concerns about the election integrity. Altblurb can be re-worded though. --Saqib (talk) 09:17, 3 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Is it necessary? There has been elections before with allegations of rigging but that was not featured in the alt blurb. Like USA 2020 or Russian interference in the UK 2019 election. Haris920 (talk) 10:36, 3 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yes it is. Reports from both local and international media have highlighted significant allegations of rigging, to the extent that there's now a standalone WP article dedicated to documenting it. Here's the gist: PTI declined to form a government, despite coalition offers from PPP. --Saqib (talk) 11:07, 3 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Rigging has been happening for years in Pakistan. The rigging in this election makes no major difference. Every election gets rigged and manipulated. Did Zad really win in 2008? Nawaz 2013? PTI is only complaining as this is the first time they are on the wrong side of the rigging. Haris920 (talk) 16:08, 3 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
While it's true that past elections hav been marred by rigging but I would say we shouldn't dwell on history and focus on this election because each and every election has its own unique circumstances & this one is no exception. For me, the pre-poll rigging was particularly unique or rather interesting this time around. one of the largest political parties barred from contesting, and its leader jailed and despite this, the party or its candidates emerged with the most seats in the parliament yet still was not unable to form a government. Sounds 1970 Pakistani general election to me. My comment might imply a biased agenda, which is not my intention as I'm neither a voter nor a supporter of PTI. However, it's important to acknowledge the extensive and ample coverage backing up the claims of rigging in this election by independent reliable sources, despite the prevalent censorship in Pakistan. Therefore, it's equally important for us to reflect this accurately. --Saqib (talk) 20:18, 3 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It's a coalition government though. and original blur should reflect that--Saqib (talk) 11:29, 3 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support altblurb as it captures the essence of the event in a clear way. The rigging is certainly sigificant, given the existing political crisis, there is no reason not to mention it. Article should be good to go. Pksois23 (talk) 13:16, 3 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment We absolutely should not include the allegations of rigging in the blurb as those are exactly what's being said, allegations, not confirmation. Its a territory that needs the context of a full article to get into, not something that is appropriate for a blurb. --Masem (t) 15:55, 3 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Proposed and Support Alt4. This acknowledges the PTI aspect of the election, but does not include the "rigging" concerns, which, like with elections that we consider to not be "free and fair", this information will be in the article and we can let the readers come to this conclusion organically. DarkSide830 (talk) 16:52, 3 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    It does have the word "despite" which, in a contextless blurb, can read as Wikipedia having a view of the outcome. Kingsif (talk) 18:48, 3 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support original blurb: As it is most neutral and concise. Rigging allegations have been part of almost all Pakistani elections in the past. Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 19:22, 3 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support ALT4 Despite the rigging allegations being an important part of the news, we’ve posted plenty of non-free/fair elections without such wording, and now’s not the time to change that. PTI note is good to include though, seeing as Sharif’s party is not the largest party in parliament. The Kip 19:33, 3 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose mentioning rigging as these are only allegations for now, and that's not a wording we usually go with. Oppose the wording of alt4 (which is factually wrong, they did not win a majority) and alt5, but would support mentioning that this is a coalition government (thus why "winning a plurality" doesn't necessarily matter), ie support alt6. If that's not possible, support original blurb. Chaotıċ Enby (talk · contribs) 19:52, 3 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support alt6, oppose on quality This seems to me to be the most factually accurate of the blurbs, and we don't need to mention allegations (not confirmation) of electoral fraud. That being said, the article currently has a mostly unsourced awards section, making it not ready to go. It might be good to mention the allegations of fraud in conjunction with protests due to the allegations. So far, I don't think they are notable enough, as there is only a medium-sized section about them. Gödel2200 (talk) 20:34, 3 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Gödel2200: Thanks for the heads up. Check out Allegations_of_rigging_in_the_2024_Pakistani_general_election#Protests --Saqib (talk) 22:18, 3 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the expansion. However, I think we should only mention the protests if it is clear that they have had significant impacts (which the article currently doesn't indicate), and ideally if they get their own article. Gödel2200 (talk) 22:49, 3 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • oppose alts III–V as grammatically incorrect (‘winning majority seats’, ‘although…winning’); further oppose the inclusion of any definitive claim that the PTI won a majority, including alt IV as presently unsourced (although I personally think the claim is plausible); and support some mention of vote-rigging allegations and/or the PTI’s winning a plurality of seats. Docentation (talk) 20:46, 3 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Posted Stephen 22:35, 3 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Stephen, the blurb needs correction as "PML-N President Shehbaz Sharif, who is the joint candidate of the newly-formed eight-party alliance" — Dawn | Mfarazbaig (talk) 07:25, 4 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Stephen: Mind breaking this down for me. --Saqib (talk) 09:51, 4 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
What are you on about? Stephen 10:26, 4 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I meant you removed the mention of coalition. --Saqib (talk) 11:44, 4 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

March 2

March 2, 2024 (2024-03-02) (Saturday)

Armed conflicts and attacks

Politics and elections

RD: Jim Beard

Article: Jim Beard (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): People
Credits:

Article updated
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240F:7A:6253:1:151D:C1A1:E591:E51F (talk) 09:23, 7 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • This wikibio has 600+ words of prose, but the first footnote is at the end of the final sentence on the subject's death????? Discography after the prose is also unsourced. Please add more REFs. --PFHLai (talk) 13:20, 7 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Reviewers needed) RD: Tim Ecclestone

Article: Tim Ecclestone (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NHL.com; The Atlanta Journal-Constitution; MLive Media Group
Credits:

Article updated
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Canadian professional ice hockey left winger and coach. 65.94.213.53 (talk) 07:14, 7 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Reviewers needed) RD: Janice Burgess

Article: Janice Burgess (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NY Times, USA Today
Credits:

Article updated
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Nickelodeon executive notable for creating The Backyardigans, death announced on March 5th. Mr. Lechkar (talk) 14:06, 6 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Jaclyn Jose

Article: Jaclyn Jose (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Philstar, Manila Bulletin, GMA News
Credits:

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Cannes Best Actress awardee in 2016 for Ma' Rosa, but better known in the Philippines for her roles in the TV series Mula sa Puso (1997–1999) and Mundo Mo'y Akin (2013). Died on 2 March, but her death was only reported on 3 March. Article looks to have been significantly improved compared to its state a few days ago, although some {cn} tags remain and some sections need to have additional citations. Vida0007 (talk) 18:02, 5 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Brit Awards 2024

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Article: Brit Awards 2024 (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Brit Awards 2024 concludes with RAYE winning a record six Brit Awards in 2024, including artist of the year and Album of the Year (Post)
News source(s): Brit Awards Official website
Credits:

Heatrave (talk) 21:54, 4 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oppose Article doesn't have enough prose on the ceremony itself, and anyways, I'm not sure if these awards are at the standard of the Grammys (currently the only music awards show listed at WP:ITNR). The Kip 22:06, 4 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @The Kip a few days ago, Oppenheimer was featured in ITN as it won the British Academy Awards so i don't think the Grammy standards should apply here. If that's the case, then only news EGOT will apply. Heatrave (talk) 08:39, 7 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose I believe this has been posted before, but this article is in no shape to appear on the main page, as apart from the multiple lack of citations, there is actually no prose about the ceremony itself, which is probably best as it was pretty much universally panned for being generally terrible. Black Kite (talk) 22:18, 4 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose As per above, the article has no prose about the event, and has various sourcing issues. Gödel2200 (talk) 00:48, 5 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Søren Pape Poulsen

Article: Søren Pape Poulsen (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Reuters Berlingske Copenhagen post
Credits:

Article updated
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Danish politician. Scientia potentia est, MonarchOfTerror 20:22, 3 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Eugene Wijeysingha

Article: Eugene Wijeysingha (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/former-raffles-institution-headmaster-eugene-wijeysingha-dies-at-90
Credits:

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– robertsky (talk) 09:13, 3 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Weak Support The article is sufficiently well-sourced, but it is short. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 11:54, 3 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support - short, but sourced and probably good enough Pksois23 (talk) 13:19, 3 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: John Okafor

Article: John Okafor (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Pulse, Punch
Credits:

Article updated
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Popular Nollywood actor. There are still a couple of passages marked as needing citations. gobonobo + c 22:20, 2 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose - poorly written and poorly cited article Pksois23 (talk) 07:36, 3 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support Looks like CN tags are addressed and is now very-well sourced Jmanlucas (talk) 02:17, 5 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Sinking of the Rubymar

Good faith nomination, however this is covered by ongoing. (non-admin closure) NW1223<Howl at me•My hunts> 00:15, 3 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Sinking of the MV Rubymar (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ During the Red Sea crisis, the ship MV Rubymar becomes the first ship to be sunk by Houthi militants, leading to an ongoing environmental disaster (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Oil leaking from the sinking MV Rubymar causes an environmental disaster in the Red Sea.
News source(s): [7] [8]
Credits:
I'm not the best at making blurbs so i wouldn't mind alt blurbs Abo Yemen✉ 15:05, 2 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Besides from the fact that the article is a stub, this environmental disaster is actually also covered by ongoing (it is listed in the same paragraph in the Red Sea crisis article where the sinking of the ship is listed). I am also concerned that the altblurb misrepresents where the word "environmental disaster" is used by RS's. As far as I can tell, the only RS's listed that use "environmental disaster" in the article for the environmental impact of the Red Sea crisis were from before the sinking (actually, the sinking isn't even mentioned in the environmental impact article). Gödel2200 (talk) 16:19, 2 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose as this is covered by Ongoing. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 00:09, 3 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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March 1

March 1, 2024 (2024-03-01) (Friday)

Armed conflicts and attacks

International relations

Law and crime

Politics and elections

(Posted) RD: Iris Apfel

Article: Iris Apfel (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): People, NY Times
Credits:

Article updated
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Well sourced. 240F:7A:6253:1:B811:95D6:3052:1B00 (talk) 02:42, 2 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

2 CN tags but otherwise well-cited. JM (talk) 05:15, 2 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support per above. JM (talk) 06:39, 2 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Erling Folkvord

Article: Erling Folkvord (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NRK Aftenposten
Credits:

Article updated
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Norwegian politician. Article is a GA. Scientia potentia est, MonarchOfTerror 20:59, 1 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Weak support Article is a fully-cited GA, but there’s almost nothing on what he did between the 2009 elections and his death (a period of 15ish years). The Kip 01:38, 2 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Dhaka building fire

Article: 2024 Dhaka building fire (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ At least 44 people have been killed and 40 injured after a fire broke out in a building in Dhaka, the capital of Bangladesh. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ In Dhaka, Bangladesh, a fire at a building kills at least 44 people.
Alternative blurb II: ​ A fire at a building in Dhaka, Bangladesh, kills at least 44 people.
News source(s): NY Times, Reuters, The Guardian, BBC, VOA
Credits:

Ainty Painty (talk) 04:06, 1 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose on quality too short, empty section. JM (talk) 05:17, 1 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Conditional Support* Needs some work but this is something that definitely should have made the "In the News." X (talk) 08:06, 1 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Al-Rashid humanitarian aid incident

Consensus will not develop to post. Stephen 22:56, 5 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Al-Rashid humanitarian aid incident (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ 112 people are killed and 760 people are injured after Israeli troops open fire on people gathering flour. (Post)
News source(s): Reuters, BBC News, The New York Times Aljazeera
Credits:
Covered largely in international media. Lukt64 (talk) 17:10, 1 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose for largely the same reasons I said below: covered by ongoing and non-NPOV blurb. Once again, not a good sign for NPOV when the nominator uses the heading "massacre" while nominating an article using "incident" (since changed as of 20:19). Also, nominated on the wrong day. JM (talk) 20:11, 1 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Proposed altblurb and added more sources. Still oppose as ongoing. JM (talk) 20:20, 1 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
My altblurb was removed as "euphemistic" despite virtually matching the article's current opening sentence (112 Palestinian civilians were killed and at least 760 were injured; the circumstances are disputed) so I suppose that alternative is out of the question then. JM (talk) 05:03, 2 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The timeline of the Russian invasion of Ukraine was specifically added to ongoing because the main article for the Russian invasion of Ukraine was not getting daily updates, while the timeline was. The Israel-Hamas war articles is getting daily updates, so I think we are fine leaving it as it is. Gödel2200 (talk) 23:40, 1 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support with stampede mentioned - Per @Blaylockjam10 PrecariousWorlds (talk) 18:30, 3 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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February 29

February 29, 2024 (2024-02-29) (Thursday)

Armed conflicts and attacks

Disasters and accidents

International relations

Politics and elections

RD: Ellen Bernstein

Article: Ellen Bernstein (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NY Times
Credits:

Article updated
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NY Times obit published 5 March. Thriley (talk) 22:50, 6 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Ramona Fradon

Article: Ramona Fradon (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): New York Times
Credits:

Article updated
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Pioneering woman comic book artist, known for her work in the 1950s and 1960s on Aquaman and Metamorpho. Article is brief but in good shape.

RD: David Bordwell

Article: David Bordwell (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Hollywood Reporter
Credits:

Article updated
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American film theorist and film historian. 240F:7A:6253:1:217A:705B:CA1B:1C7D (talk) 05:08, 3 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oppose The article has a lot of uncited information, especially the career section, plus there's some information in the lead which doesn't appear in the prose at all (aside from the bibliography but that doesn't really count), which is also uncited and should probably be in the prose since the lead is supposed to be a summary. Scientia potentia est, MonarchOfTerror 09:28, 4 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Linda White

Article: Linda White (politician) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-03-01/senator-linda-white-dies/103532260
Credits:

Article updated
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Australian Senator. Article is short but well sourced. HiLo48 (talk) 23:59, 29 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Blurb posted) Blurb/RD: Brian Mulroney

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Article: Brian Mulroney (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination
Blurb:  Former Prime Minister of Canada Brian Mulroney (pictured) dies at the age of 84 (Post)
News source(s): CBC
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Prime Minister of Canada from 1984 to 1993. JM (talk) 23:15, 29 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support once the CNs are resolved. The article is of generally good quality. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 23:39, 29 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • He Was 84 and I think we all know what that means. To those who still believe in the Mandela/Thatcher standard, though, it should be noted that before he was 84, he was pretty much the Canadian representative of those two "legends". Sometimes figuratively, sometimes literally, sometimes both. Definitely "in their league". Big name, regardless, and should be noticeable enough in RD when ready (besides the citations, it repeats "Mulroney" too often). InedibleHulk (talk) 04:19, 1 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support blurb once sourcing issues have been fixed. Mulroney is one of the most consequential and influence Canadian PMs in its recent history. Plus I support blurbing former G8/G20 heads of states. I don’t think someone’s age should determine if they get blurbed or not. Plus nine years of PM is noteworthy as well. TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 05:00, 1 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    It's more a matter of the unremarkable way old people tend to go than anything against their ages themselves. Sometimes younger people die naturally, too, and some older people of ways in which readers may reasonably want to stay updated over the next week or two. Nine years is a long time, though, regardless of when it ended. InedibleHulk (talk) 05:22, 1 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Perhaps not so noteworthy in Canada over the last 50 years. Pierre Trudeau did 15 years from 1968-1979 and 1980-1984, Mulroney did 9 years from 1984-1993, Chretien did 10 years from 1993-2003, Harper did 9 years from 2006-2015, and Justin Trudeau's done almost 9 years from 2015-present. Since 1968 we've had more who did 9 years than who didn't. JM (talk) 05:24, 1 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    These five are all noteworthy for pretty much the same accomplishment, despite their differences. Like the Beatles or the Four Horsemen. I'm not saying Mulroney's the Lennon or Flair of the bunch, but it's still impressively long to me, dammit. InedibleHulk (talk) 05:37, 1 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose on quality, but support blurb once fixed This article gives a good legacy section (albeit lack of sources) to explain why we should blurb him. Just need better sourcing throughout. --Masem (t) 05:29, 1 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Conditional Support for Blurb on the merits. However, I concur with the vast majority of comments above that the article is currently not ready for posting. -Ad Orientem (talk) 05:50, 1 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support blurb The page is quite substantial and is graded B-class and level 5 vital. It has been put on the main page several times before in OTD. And it has over 200 citations and a huge bibliography. The idea that it's not good enough for ITN is ridiculous. Andrew🐉(talk) 09:22, 1 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I would personally avoid using level-5 "vital" as an argument, as that label is applied by a very small set of editors. I agree with wanting to feature people of this level of political significance, though. ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 09:46, 1 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    The article is also graded as High importance by multiple projects. It has been edited by over 1,550 different editors and that's quite a lot. ITN has comparatively few !voters but so it goes. Andrew🐉(talk) 10:27, 1 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose blurb – Only a one-sentence update. Very limited information on his illness, death, and funeral. ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 09:43, 1 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    In fact, it's not just his illness and death. We barely have any information on the past 25 years of his life. I don't think featuring the article in this state would "showcase quality Wikipedia content on current events" or "emphasize Wikipedia as a dynamic resource." ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 11:00, 1 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Nonsense. The article has an extensive section After politics (1993–2024) which is over 10Kb and 1600 words of prose. That's several times larger than the entire article for Feleti Teo whose picture has headlined ITN for four days now even though the population of his small island is less than my local council ward. Andrew🐉(talk) 12:19, 1 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I'm confused; I should've properly read better of course, but I made this comment after searching every single year on the page between 1999 and 2024 and getting practically zero results outside of the References section. Something must be wrong with Safari's search function. I apologize for the confusion, though I do stand by the lack of information on illness, death, and funeral: the actual event we would be featuring. ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 12:48, 1 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    If the death was from natural causes, a one-sentence update is pretty much all we can expect in the immediate. As there is plans for a state furenal, this can be expected to be expanded, but we don't need that in place for a blurb if the rest of the article adequetely is in shape and explains why a blurb is appropriate. — Masem (t) 19:13, 2 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Change to Neutral now that the illness and death section has been expanded. ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 08:38, 7 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose blurb per Orbitalbuzzsaw: he was very notable during his life, but the death itself was not notable. Gödel2200 (talk) 12:35, 1 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Nelson Mandela lived a very notable life, but retreated into retirement in his last few years and then died in a very ordinary manner (respiratory disease, #2 most common cause of death). By your logic, would he therefore not get a blurb? It makes no sense to me that "dying in an ordinary manner" makes the passing of an otherwise self-admitted highly notable person ineligible for a blurb. FlipandFlopped ツ 17:26, 1 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry for not explaining clearer: when I say that the "death itself was not notable", I do not mean that the deaths of major figures who do not die in an unexpected way can never get blurbed. Instead, I would have been more inclined to support this blurb if the death itself was notable, i.e, there was significant coverage of their death on Wikipedia. In the case of Nelson Mandela, I would have almost certainly supported that, as there is a whole page devoted to his death and reactions to it. In contrast, as far as I can tell, there is only a two sentence mention of Mulroney's death on his page. Gödel2200 (talk) 22:11, 1 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
On the other hand, Mulroney was not nearly as notable as Mandela, which is why Mandela got an entire death article. This classifies as "life as main story" on ITNRDBLURB. Information, at least on his Wikipedia page, is very limited regarding death, funeral, and other proceedings, as well as lacking quality. Pksois23 (talk) 01:14, 2 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I imagine more info about the funeral will come out soon, all we've got right now is confirmation from Trudeau that he is receiving a state funeral. DriveAllKnight (talk) 01:22, 2 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose blurb per above. Support RD. Pksois23 (talk) 14:01, 1 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support blurb Certainly a transformative figure in Canadian politics in the mold of Reagan/Thatcher, with large effects abroad (NAFTA, etc.). Davey2116 (talk) 14:05, 1 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose on quality and pretty indifferent to whether it's a RD or blurb once fixed. He seems just notable enough for a blurb, but I don't think it would be a crime to just post him as RD. However, I strongly disagree with the sentiment that the death itself must be notable, as it is counter to WP:ITNRDBLURB. ✈ mike_gigs talkcontribs 14:10, 1 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support blurb not just your average politician - transformative figure in Canadian and worldwide politics. His death's widespread coverage stems not from the fact that he died, but because he is a distinctly notable figure. To that effect, The Times of India, Al Jazeera, and the South China Morning Post all did substantive pieces about his legacy and political importance. When a particularly politically influential former leader of a country dies and attracts significant worldwide news coverage, this merits a blurb regardless of individual editors' peculiar view that an ordinary "manner of death" altogether precludes someone's life from being notable. To the contrary, the ultimate bottom line is how well-known the figure was + press coverage: if those indicia strongly point towards notability, then an ordinary manner of death does not necessarily preclude a blurb. FlipandFlopped ツ 17:21, 1 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support blurb—I haven't actually checked the quality of the article, so I'll just comment on its blurbworthiness. Mulroney was a highly consequential figure in both Canadian and international politics, besides being the leader of one of the more powerful countries in the world for over a decade. Kurtis (talk) 19:07, 1 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Ali Hassan Mwinyi

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Article: Ali Hassan Mwinyi (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Reuters
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Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Former president of Tanzania. Gödel2200 (talk) 21:55, 29 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment legacy section uncited, honours subsection uncited, 1 CN tag. JM (talk) 22:18, 29 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment - I'm anticipating that this might not gain consensus, but I would consider blurbing Mwinyi... he was the leader of one of the larger countries in Africa for a full ten years, so looked at purely in terms of population numbers ruled over, he'd be a similar case to Tony Blair or Jacques Chirac (whose death we didn't post because of quality concerns, but which would have otherwise been an easy blurb). Obviously in terms of economy size and world status, the leader of Tanzania is less than the leaders of the UK or France, but still worth considering.  — Amakuru (talk) 23:27, 29 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose blurb, old man dies, a notable life is not a notable death, the usual. JM (talk) 23:33, 29 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Well if that's the case, what's going on in the post above this one, in which everyone's supporting away, despite the same situation prevailing?  — Amakuru (talk) 08:26, 1 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Of the two people who voted oppose blurb here, one voted oppose above as well, and I refrained from voting above as the nominator of that RD (I didn't propose the blurb). No one who voted to support the one above also voted to oppose this one, and vice versa. JM (talk) 08:31, 1 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose blurb since the manner of death was not notable This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 03:03, 1 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Question to Reviewers: I've tagged the Legacy section with {unreferenced section}. If these unreferenced materials get deleted, would the remaining wikibio pass for RD? --PFHLai (talk) 13:13, 7 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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