Talk:2024 Noto earthquake/Archive 1

Archive 1

NHK source

@Filipinohere I had the source translated: It reads

"Just after 4 p.m. on the 1st, an earthquake measuring magnitude 7 occurred in the Noto region, and a major tsunami warning was temporarily issued. According to the National Police Agency, two people have suffered cardiopulmonary arrest in Nanao City, Ishikawa Prefecture. Chief Cabinet Secretary Hayashi also stated in an emergency press conference, ``We have received reports of six cases of people being buried alive due to collapsed buildings. In Wajima City, Ishikawa Prefecture, there was a report that ``a building collapsed and crushed the building next door, and two people who were there were unable to escape and were left stranded.

NHK interviewed local fire departments and hospitals and found that as of 10 p.m. on the 1st, multiple people were injured in five prefectures: Ishikawa, Niigata, Fukui, Toyama, and Gifu. There is also information that residents who were unable to escape were left stranded in collapsed houses."

Borgenland (talk) 13:45, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

"cardiac arrest"

Please note that the Japanese police don't officially report deaths, so they always say "cardiac arrest" even if the cause of death is falling off a building, burned to a crisp, gunshot to the head, etc. Abductive (reasoning) 15:03, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

Measurment correction

The Japan Meteorology Agency held a press conference where it said that the reading included with initial reporting on the earthquake was incorrect. JMA corrects intensity of a quake | NHK WORLD-JAPAN News ArguaBILL (talk) 15:08, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

It said it was referring to an earthquake that struck at 11 pm. The real earthquake struck at 4pm. Borgenland (talk) 15:13, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

I apologize for the misunderstanding/ ArguaBILL (talk) 18:30, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

Geothermal in Japan

Has anyone been monitoring the fractures from Japan's geothemral plants? It is a well known fact that geothermal plants induce seismicity and after decades it is possible that it weakens the underlying ground and also it is a well known fact that injection wells can cause earthquakes many miles from the injection site. Where is the map of the natural fractures of Japan and where are the geothemral plants located? 2603:800C:400:2C71:C820:13C1:E128:2C19 (talk) 23:27, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

It is a place where there is a fault line and where earthquakes are frequent, though usually not of this magnitude.

This is not too far from the line of the Eurasian Plate and North American plate.

You might want to reference the 2007 Noto earthquake which occurred at almost exactly the same place and was M6.9.

Although it is worth investigating the effects of geothermal plants, it is not that likely that it was a major influence.

In general earthquakes caused by this are verry weak, at least in comparison to this M7.6.

I do recall however in 2017 in South Korea there being an earthquake of M5.4 (Richter) that might have had a geothermal plant as trigger.

Either way, even without a geothermal plant there, the earthquake was likely.

For these maps, you can likely find them on the official government websites'. A potential place might be www.gsj.jp. IDon'tFindAName (talk) 23:57, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

Duration

Anyone have a source for the duration of the earthquake? Kiwiz1338 (talk) 03:57, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

i can't find one so far, unfortunately. Filipinohere (talk) 04:27, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

USGS finite fault source-time function suggests just over 40 seconds for the rupture process. Similar to IPGP's Geoscope m-r function. Dora the Axe-plorer (explore) 04:38, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

Deaths

This article (https://www3.nhk.or.jp/news/html/20240102/k10014306831000.html) from NHK reports eight deaths in Wajima (only one death is confirmed there). I'm not gonna put it in the article because of uncertainty so I leave it to whoever finds this. Quake1234 (talk) 01:09, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

I'd be okay with 8 as an updated number. Also where did you see that only one is confirmed? Doesn't the article say 8 confirmed (8人死亡確認)?

Here are some places referencing the 8 deaths:

- https://www.yomiuri.co.jp/national/20240102-OYT1T50024/

- https://www3.nhk.or.jp/news/html/20240102/k10014306401000.html (more recent report)

- tw.news.yahoo.com/不斷更新-日本7-6強震-死亡人數增至8人-海嘯警報解除-011511453.html IDon'tFindAName (talk) 02:12, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

I'd like to propose 8+ instead of the current 16.

The current number is in reference to the following article: https://mainichi.jp/articles/20240102/k00/00m/040/120000c

It does say 16 confirmed in the title, but the numbers don't add up in what they write:

- 8 people died after being transported to the municipal Wajima Hospital.

- 3 deaths have been confirmed in Suzu City.

- 3 people have been confirmed dead in Nanao City.

- 1 person has been confirmed dead in Wajima City. (Is this one counted in the first 8 they said?)

- 1 person has been confirmed dead in Hakui City.

- 1 person has been confirmed dead in Shika Town.

Until we have a few more reports, I do not think it is right to claim 16 deaths yet, however likely this is to be exceeded.

Here are some other sources (about equally recent that claim other numbers):

- https://www.iwate-np.co.jp/article/kyodo/2024/1/2/1229426

- https://www.topics.or.jp/articles/-/1017414

- https://www.hokkoku.co.jp/articles/-/1279854

- https://www.sankei.com/article/20240102-LLZ7KVX6EFIZ5IXIJKDUTZTAZY/ IDon'tFindAName (talk) 02:21, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

Sorry but I wasn't the one who added the 8 deaths info: I think it was User:Dora the Axe-plorer. Filipinohere (talk) 04:26, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

As of writing this, 30 have died. the details clarified here [1] Dora the Axe-plorer (explore) 05:21, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

Largest in Japan since ...

It is mentioned that the earthquake was the largest in country since the Great East Japan earthquake of March 2011. However, the source [2] lists only those earthquakes in which intensity 6 Lower or more was observed. The 2015 Ogasawara earthquake (Mw=7.8) is probably worth considering. 95.26.68.151 (talk) 04:37, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

I think whoever put that in the article meant "largest" in terms of casualties and deaths, not in magnitude. GarethBaloney (talk) 10:10, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

Images

Is there any way we can get images in this article? So far this article only has related maps. Sapiann (talk) 05:23, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

Yeah we can most likely get some images relating to damage and stuff. I'm not too experienced in knowing how to upload images and all that though. Sadustu Tau (talk) 05:58, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

As long as they add value, you can add images, just make sure you are allowed to do so.

For reference, please read https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Uploading_images

Especially make sure you comply with this.

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IDon'tFindAName (talk) 13:17, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

Long Period Ground Motion Scale

I have got details of where we saw the LPGM recorded in various parts of Japan due to the earthquake. LPGM 4, the highest level on the scale occurred in the Noto Region of Ishikawa — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hanami-Sakura (talk • contribs) 17:49, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

Source? Sadustu Tau (talk) 04:41, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

https://www.data.jma.go.jp/eew/data/ltpgm/event.php?eventId=20240101161010

Here is the source.

Sorry the source is in Japanese Language. Will help ya out in generating the table and ensuring the region naming is accurate Hanami-Sakura (talk) 05:17, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

Hmm looks like there's also the Shindo intensities which we already have as well. I'm not too sure, so I'll wait for someone more experienced to have a look as well and see their opinion. Sadustu Tau (talk) 05:56, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

No worries, I am dealing with the table creation now Hanami-Sakura (talk) 14:03, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

Source on english language:

https://www.jma.go.jp/bosai/map.html#6/37.522/136.995/&contents=ltpgm&lang=en Niko Iwamura (talk) 06:03, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

Oh thanks!

By the way, looking at two recent high profile quakes in the Tohoku region in 2021 and 2022, the Japanese version had the LPGM table for which areas had levels 1 to 4, so I thought it deserved its place in the English version and hence these two articles have the LPGM table. Both events had LPGM 4, so did this quake

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2021_Fukushima_earthquake#Long_period_ground_motion

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_Fukushima_earthquake#Long_period_ground_motion

The 2024 Noto Peninsula Earthquake registered a LPGM 4 in the Noto Region of Ishikawa Hanami-Sakura (talk) 09:20, 2 January 2024 (UTC)