Talk:Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-17/Archive 1

Archive 1

Mikoyan-Gurevich ?

This plane, together with other MiG are known as simply MiG or МиГ both in russian and english. There is no need to spell the full names of the designers. Wikipedia policy is to name articles according to the name most familiar and/or most frequently used. Incidentally it also means that Mikoyan-Gurevich are not the manufacturers but only the designers. See the russian page for details of the manufacturing factories. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.240.156.245 (talk) 14:35, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

"Russian"?

Not "Soviet"? http://www.history.com/media.do?action=clip&id=dogfights_MIG17_broadband --84.61.112.169 20:15, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

I changed "was" to "is" because I saw a report on the Korea incident today stating that it was a MiG-17, but now I hear that it was a MiG-19. Now I don't know any more whether the MiG-17 is still in use. - Patrick 14:30 Feb 20, 2003 (UTC)

Is this Mig-15 or Mig-17?

This is MiG-15 because it has only 2 crests on upper surface of wing, and MiG-17 has 3 of them Radomil 17:11, 20 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Lim-5 (MiG-17)

I took out this line:

The MiG-17 is the only type of jet-powered fighter to have been shot down by a bomber - a B-52 in Vietnam.

Me262s were shot down by B-17s, B-24s, and Lancasters. Mig-15s were shot down by B-29s Also a Mig-21 was shot down by a B-52--216.52.73.254 19:16, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

Date of maiden flight

I checked the date of the maiden flight and found out, that Shavrov named the 1. january as date. Is there a proove for the 14.? To get it worse: Gunston named the 13. january..... Any suggestions? -- Stahlkocher 18:49, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

As per "Famous Russian Aircraft: Mikoyan MiG-17" by Yefim Gordon and Dmitriy Komissarov, Specialty Press, 2016, the maiden flight of the MiG-17 was on July 26, 1949. Zandovise (talk) 17:56, 5 June 2022 (UTC)Zandovise

Images

The article mentions "compound sweep" on the MiG-17, and I do happen to remember that the 17 has a much sharper wing angle than the MiG-15....does someone want to check whether the images here are actually 17's and not 15's? Masterblooregard 06:52, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

Mercenary pilots

Mercenaries from Soviet Union and Eastern Germany in the sixties? Absolutely impossible. Military aid, may be, but only under government control. Please show the source of the information. Thebiggestmac (talk) 20:35, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, I'm curious about the Australian link myself. I don't think there's ever been any public release of information of Australian contract pilots operating anywhere, let alone Africa. Can we see the reference? (121.220.138.218 (talk) 07:37, 1 November 2008 (UTC))

Leo K. Thorsness

There is a remarkable story about F-105 pilots downing a number of Mig-17s in the Leo K. Thorsness article that should be mentioned here along with the Thanha Hoa bridge. The F-105 actually wasn't bad against the MiG-17 if they were prepared, and used their speed. Bachcell (talk) 22:35, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

Afterburner

"Later MiG-17s would be the first Soviet fighter application of an afterburner which offered increased thrust on demand by dumping fuel in the exhaust of the basic engine."

This is not entirely true, afterburner equipped version of RD-10 was used in earlier Yak and La fighters, none of them entered service though. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.33.183.162 (talk) 15:17, 10 September 2013 (UTC)

Vietnam shoot-downs

The table gives a total kill count of 28; the paragraph immediately after this begins with "From 1965 to 1972, MiG-17s from the NVAF 921st and 923rd FRs would claim 71 aerial victories against U.S. aircraft", mentioning in particular 32 shot-down F4s. Which is correct? -146.199.167.24 (talk) 13:41, 18 July 2015 (UTC)

Assessment comment

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Plenty of material, could do with more inline references and some non-web references. The Land 21:52, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

Last edited at 21:52, 4 February 2007 (UTC). Substituted at 00:05, 30 April 2016 (UTC)

What generation?

The page on the MiG-19 calls it a "second generation" fighter, but if that's generation 2, then what is the MiG-17? OIt's far more advanced than other "first generation fighters" like the Me 262, Meteor, MiG-9, etc. Being equipped with an afterburner, primitive radar and achieving a high-subsonic speed, etc. Would it be called a Generation 1+, or Generation 1.5? AnnaGoFast (talk) 02:33, 3 June 2016 (UTC)

Internal link added, discussion about 'Design' heading and citations

Hello all,

Added a link to Wikipedia page on 'Stabilator' to the term 'all-flying' tail as a contrasted feature between F-86 and early MiGs. the stabilator is the name for the aerodynamic device, the other a colloquialism; it would be nice to have more info on how the MiG design bureau overcame the flutter and turbulence at transition speeds with conventional controls. On citations, something better than a model aircraft company's data would be welcome. Also had discussion on heading label 'Design,' it seems warranted to a change to 'Variants.' The design of the aircraft is covered under the heading 'Development,' and the 'Design' heading describes variants made under license or unlicensed variants in other countries. Will make the change myself if no replies are heard.

Johnnyrev (talk) 16:27, 9 June 2020 (UTC)

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