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Michael Cole Mr Wrestltlemania

He has used that nickname before his match with the king(just before) on an interview on WWE.com Swagger called him mr wrestlemania and that was right after the match. All Raw Cole called him self mr wrestlemania and the smackdown after him and swagger reffered to cole as the new mr wrestlemania. I have tryed putting it on his nickname section because its got everythig required to be a nickname in wrestling but some ppl who are not NPOV keep reverting itin the edit summary there resions have been NO NEVER or SHAWN MICHEALS IS MR WRESTLEMANIA thats if they give reasions. The shawn micheals thing isnt a resion not to as I pointed out to that person Buddy Rodgers and Ric Flair are both the Nature Boy(WHOO!). Its obvious they take offence to wwe calling cole mr wresltemania but who the hell cares!! wiki is npov so there pov doesnt matter at all! there usless. pls would you step in and make it officeal that it should stay that way or summit. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.222.227.22 (talk) 21:42, 10 April 2011 (UTC)

I'm beginning to lose faith in the education system in America because of written comments like these. Feedback ^☎ 21:19, 11 April 2011 (UTC)

I personally think it should stay, but that is just me. (UnreliableBeing (talk) 07:10, 11 April 2011 (UTC))

If this is a true nickname and not just a passing reference, we would need to wait to see if the title is used outside of this one angle. Hazardous Matt (talk) 21:47, 11 April 2011 (UTC)

God I swear sometimes people on here bring up the dumbest questions. Seriously who honestly cares that a tool like Michael Cole is trying to being like Shawn Michaels (which will never happen). BTW do any of you guys even have a life off wikipedia?--Voices in my Head WWE 22:53, 11 April 2011 (UTC)

Nascar, you bring up a very valid question. I swear sometimes it seems people do nothing beyond Wikipedia. I'm all for treating Wikipedia like its important, but sometimes, I like to think the people behind these users aren't all chubby outcasts living in their mother's basements. I like to know if there's any doctors among us, or married people with families, college kids who actually GO OUT, you know, people with lives! Feedback ^☎ 23:24, 11 April 2011 (UTC)

So your just going to be rude then and insult me? Nice I'm beginning to lose faith in the education system in America because of manners like these.

Manners wouldn't be taught in the American school system. That's a job for parents, or an etiquette coach. But I digress....

This site, and this project specifically, are taken far too seriously. The project is not by definition a live news source and should serve as an archive, which means not every little detail should be added as it happens. In fact, it's that attitude that keeps me mostly on the talk pages. Feedback is right, though horribly blunt. As a married man who enjoys as much time away from the computer as possible (though, he did nail it with "chubby"), I find the level of "devotion" to this project unsettling at times. Hazardous Matt (talk) 01:24, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

And another thing, some people on here really are starting to take this stuff too seriously. Like a frickin religion. Last time I checked this page was to talk on improving articles not to debate on stupid dumbass questions like if a tool like Michael Cole (and FYI he was already an ass before he went heel) if he's the NEW Mr. WrestleMania. While I'd say short answer hell no just get off the computer and go to a bar or something people.--Voices in my Head WWE 00:49, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

Wow. That's all I can say after reading this discussion. You talk about taking wikipedia too seriously, yet you completely jump over an unregistered user who is clearly unfamiliar with policy. Whether these users "have lives" or not has absolutely nothing to do with discussion. It's that kind of hostile attitude that has given WP:PW a bad reputation. -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 22:02, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

There does always seem to be a relentless passion by both registered and un-registered users about having the most up-to-date and NPOV, unverified information added to WP:PW articles. We had a member who took it personally when he was told his article for The Legacy wasn't ready, especially since the group hadn't even officially debuted under that name at the time. We had another member (or possibly the same one, I forget) who went on a crusade to get the Curt Hawkins & Zack Ryder article split as soon as the team split, even though 98% of the two articles would have been identical.

The regulars get super-protective of article status because of issues like that, and to a degree I can understand that. You don't get articles to GA or FA status by citing "some guy" who claims to have seen something at a television taping that won't air for a few days, or by referencing "what everyone knows". Those who are serious about the project's advancement get worn out from people like the OP who use "who the hell cares" for his reasoning.

I don't think anyone outside of the project takes this project seriously. I think there are a lot of reasons, but I believe a lot of it comes from the frustration of the regulars who are trying to keep articles at the best level of quality possible while trying to rationalize with fans who bring NPOV and brand loyalty to the table as their arguments.

I know Feedback and Nascarking addressed the OP, but he didn't respond to my comment at all. Maybe he was distracted, or maybe not. Maybe he doesn't care about the opinions of others and wants it done because it believes it should be done. I think that pushed a lot of buttons. Hazardous Matt (talk) 22:54, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

I remember the Hawkins/Ryder debate, I used to be quite active here. I understand that some users are overzealous when it comes to trying to maintain articles (hell, I've done that a few times myself) and its difficult given the number of vandals and policy ignorant IPs that wrestling articles attact. But it seems very unnecessary to attack a user for asking a question. Other users see that and decide not to start or participate in a discussion here because they don't want to deal with attacks. -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 23:07, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

Matt, I didn't answer your OP because I believe the original post to be a very stupid question and encouraging any discussion about it would make me feel very stupid myself. Feedback ^☎ 00:46, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

I wasn't referring to you commenting on my original post, but the anonymous OP. It's very encouraging that you wouldn't answer a question because you believe it would make you feel stupid, but you would choose to insult others in the meantime. Hazardous Matt (talk) 13:02, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

Do you find it hard to believe I would prefer to come off as arrogant than stupid? It would have been a waste of time to answer the anon's question because it is a stupid one. Everyone has a right to bring up their concerns, as I have the right to believe it is a stupid one. I would like to remind you that competence is required to be an editor on Wikipedia. If someone isn't capable of understanding the difference between what could be an obviously stupid issue from an actual concern, than the person shouldn't be editing on Wikipedia. Feedback ^☎ 01:56, 14 April 2011 (UTC)

This conversation is stupid. It would have been much easier to give a simple answer to the original question. This conversation should end now. GaryColemanFan (talk) 05:40, 14 April 2011 (UTC)

Yes it would've but I think we're all tired of people bringing up stupid questions like this. Gary do you honestly give a damn that an asshole like Michael Cole called himself Mr. WrestleMania for only 2 weeks? Even you probably have better things to do than talk about something stupid like this.--Voices in my Head WWE 22:05, 14 April 2011 (UTC)

I don't even know who Michael Cole is, but I know for a fact that "his use of this nickname was insignificant and therefore not notable" is a much better answer than attacking the questioner. GaryColemanFan (talk) 22:09, 14 April 2011 (UTC)

Are you sure you watch wrestling?--Voices in my Head WWE 22:17, 14 April 2011 (UTC)

No, I'm sure that I don't watch wrestling. I have never claimed to watch wrestling. Why? GaryColemanFan (talk) 00:10, 15 April 2011 (UTC)

Hey if any of you guys haven't noticed by now, Over the Limit (2011) is, for some reason, up for deletion. Even though the event is a month and a half away and tickets are on sale at both Ticketmaster.com and at KeyArena's website.--Voices in my Head WWE 20:27, 21 April 2011 (UTC)

From WP:CANVAS: Inappropriate notification: "Campaigning: Posting a notification of discussion that presents the topic in a non-neutral manner." GaryColemanFan (talk) 04:14, 22 April 2011 (UTC)

Okay as I said before, Over the Limit (2011) is up for deletion just throwing it out there.--Voices in my Head WWE 04:41, 22 April 2011 (UTC)

Make separate pages for Brie and Nikki Bella?

I know that both Brie and Nikki Bella's histories in WWE are the same, but should we make separate pages for Brie and Nikki now since Brie won the WWE Divas Championship?--Mikeymike2001 (talk) 22:36, 14 April 2011 (UTC)

I dont think so. their history is still the same right now and probably will stay that way, too early to tell Wrestling0101 (talk) 23:18, 14 April 2011 (UTC)

Yup, two pages would read exactly the same. And they'll probably continue to do twin 'magic' into the title reign. Tony2Times (talk) 23:59, 14 April 2011 (UTC)

did there used to be a brie bella page before because she debuted a year or so before her sister did--Black60dragon (talk) 00:31, 15 April 2011 (UTC)

No. She debuted only about 5 weeks before and didn't get a page until a lot after her sister debuted. Feedback ^☎ 03:05, 15 April 2011 (UTC)

And that was in kayfabe terms as they were both appearing on TV, but only one was acknowledged before it was revealed they were twins; so encyclopedic terms it doesn't count for anything. Tony2Times (talk) 07:47, 15 April 2011 (UTC)

Not to mention in the original storyline the sister was actually involved the whole time before here official debut. At that time Brie would go under the ring and was secretly replaced by her sister who would attack unsuspecting oppoents who did not realize that they were fighting a fresh wrestler, a plan that lasted for several weeks until finally discovered when they were both pulled out from under the ring. So even where she was not officially wrestling Niki was involved with Brie.--76.66.187.132 (talk) 03:42, 16 April 2011 (UTC)

That's exactly what Tony said except you added needless detail and wasted a few seconds of my time. Thank you. Feedback ^☎ 19:48, 16 April 2011 (UTC)

Nav boxes

They need to be renamed from World Wrestling Entertainment to WWE Wrestling0101 (talk) 05:21, 17 April 2011 (UTC)

No they don't. Feedback ^☎ 06:16, 17 April 2011 (UTC)

Oh ok. why Not? Wrestling0101 (talk) 17:16, 17 April 2011 (UTC)

User:62.255.132.174

FYI, User:62.255.132.174 keeps changing mentions of the World Wrestling Federation/WWF to World Wrestling Entertainment/WWE. I've made note of it on the user's talk page, but the user blanked the page. --Jtalledo (talk) 13:25, 19 April 2011 (UTC)

Jtalledo, editors are allowed to blank their talk pages at will. It is a sign that they have "read" whatever messages were left. Therefore, I have undid your edit on that IP's talk page that restored the content they blanked, and have only left your latest comments from this month. If the IP blanks those out, please do not restore them.   ArcAngel   (talk) ) 13:40, 19 April 2011 (UTC)

Changing colors in Template:WWE Personnel and Template talk:WWE

Greetings. The project's input is needed here. An editor is trying to push a color change on this template, and I am not the only one to oppose it. However, more eyes on this would be helpful to gain a consensus as to whether to change the colors or not.   ArcAngel   (talk) ) 19:16, 21 April 2011 (UTC)

Input is also requested here from the project members, thanks.   ArcAngel   (talk) ) 08:06, 22 April 2011 (UTC)

Over the Limit (2011)

If anyone hasn't noticed by now, Over the Limit (2011) is for some reason up for deletion even though the event is confirmed by WWE to be taking place, tickets are on sale on both Ticketmaster.com and KeyArena's web page. Has future notability ever been a reason to delete a pay-per-view article that will be happening and even if it's deleted someone will probably just start it back up?--Voices in my Head WWE 17:19, 22 April 2011 (UTC)