User talk:Almaqdisi

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your opinion over Al Aqsa

I'm interested to know what's your opinion over Al Aqsa. With respect, it seems to me from the differnet quotes and stories that the historical situation is rather simple. Islam spread around the world, and wanted a shift of power from Arabia to other parts of the world. Mecca was isolated in the desert and Islam felt they needed a more prominent place to convey their messages. Jerusalem was already very prominent in Judaism and Christianity and now that Jeruaslem was under Moslem hands, that could be used. The mosque was built and linked to the furthest mosque tradition in the quran. Is it not correct ? Do you have a better explanation on how things historically developed ? Thanks. Amoruso 06:06, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

Thanks Amoruso. Indeed I think this is an over simlification of the case. I think that there would have been better plans if this was indeed the objective. Damascus was, and remained, the political center of the Levant in that period of time. There was no claims that what became as the the Umayyid Mosque as being Holy or blessed or any of that sort. Similarly, there has never been a claim of anything holy after these three mosque. The prophet Muhammad mentioned clearly that there are only 3 mosques with a special regard, two of them which were built by Abraham and his sons and the third is the one the prophet built himself in Medina. Any new claims after that are considered by mainstream muslims as a violation of the prophet's hadith (saying) and of his commands in that regard.

It should be noted that neither Mecca nor Jerusalem were used as political centers by muslims, but it was nearby Medina and nearby Damascus, then Baghdad, then Cairo, then Costantipole and to a minor level, Grenada.

No question that the spread of Islam outside the Arabian Peninsula strongly boosted the cause of muslims. One reason for that is that the populations living in the Levant, Egypt, Mesopotamia were descendants of the Craddle of Civilizations people. Islam as a religion benfited from the new thoughts, ideas and dimensions these populations brought to the Islamic cause. Similarly, Islam became a culutre for the muslims and non muslims of that region. Islam offered the region the Arabic language which became the lingua franca of that age. It is indeed the case that most of the populations existing in the Levant, Iraq, north Africa, and beyond are Arabic-speaking people rather than being genetically Arabs (the 7th Century Arabs) in most cases. The fact that Turkish and Persian have 70% of their Vocabulary Arabic does not mean that 70% of their blood is Arabic.

I hope this clarified that point. To the best of my knowledge, this is what the Arabs believe about themselves, including Palestinians by the way! Almaqdisi 12:44, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for your detailed reply. What interests me is also whether, knowing what you probably know about Jerusalem in Judaism, the spiritual annexation/classification of Jerusalem and Al Aqsa mosque in Islam is "fair" in your eyes ? Amoruso 09:05, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

Certainly at the time Jerusalem was captured by Omar, al-aqsa mosque area was not annexed from Jews. Jews did not worship there for almost 600 year. Jews were allowed to Jerusalem back during the muslim period, and never such statements were made during the time. It is in this modern age after the creation of Israel such statements are made. Almaqdisi 23:49, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

Jews fought the Byzantines and established autonomy in Jerusalem just shortly before the muslim invasion. The writings at the time show that the temple mount was imporant for Jews. HaRambam btw used to pray on the temple mount where it said that a syangogue existed or either in the al aqsa estbalishment itself (!) If Jews could freely pray in the sites (dome of the rocks is after all not a mosque) then there will be less of a problem of fairness IMO. Amoruso 23:53, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

As a matter of fact, al-Masjid al-Aqsa means the enclosed area that contains the landscape on which the two complexes are built. The first is the north mosque which is called Masjid Qubbat al-Sakhra (Dome of the Rock Mosque). The south one is sometimes called also al-Masjid al-Aqsa because it was constructed and used for prayer before the North building was in use. So obviously for muslims, this Landscape containig both buildings, and several other little ones, is called al-Masjid al-Aqsa. Conclusion, al-Masjid al-Aqsa is the name of the landscape rather than the building itself. Therefore, to explain this point, people say Haram al-Masjid al-Aqsa when they want to refer to the landscape. This Haram (enclosure) is also called al-Haram al-Sharif, or the Noble enclosure or Noble Sanctury. Also to give more explanations. Men usually pray in the south Mosque, which is al-Masjid al-Aqsa, and women pray in the north mosque which is Dome of the Rock. Both men and women are praying at the spot named as al-Masjid al-Aqsa. Women alway stand back in prayers in the muslims faith by the way. Finally, when did Rambam live. It said in 1200s. So this is 500 years after the capture of Jerusalem by Omar. Almaqdisi 08:25, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

sorry, didn't understand why you wrote what you did in respect to our discussion - can you clarify ? As for Rambam, yes, in the 1100's. What's your point concerning this ? Amoruso 15:47, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

Preview button

Hi Almaqdisi, if you press the preview button before you save the page you can see the changes and then decide whether you want to change them again or save them. It just helps save time when viewing the recent changes, thanks! Chesdovi 09:44, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

5/6 RR violation

Almaqdisi , you have violated the WP:3RR rule greatly now. It seems I accidentally broke it too, but you broke it first so you should revert to my version. I apologise for breaking it AFTER you broke it. Please self revert. Amoruso 06:26, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

You broke it before I did for sure. I will self revert the Dome of the Rock article, and tag it for other users input. Tomorrow I will edit it again to add more info. Almaqdisi 06:28, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

:no I didn't. count them. You broke it twice before I did. Now you also broke it in Al Aqsa Mosque while I didn't. Revert it or be reported... Amoruso 06:32, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

3RR violation of Al Aqsa Mosque

in case it wasn't clear. you have violated 3RR on Al Aqsa Mosque article, not about the Dome of the Rock now. Please self revert on Al Aqsa Mosque. Amoruso 06:45, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

I did self revert. Until more input, and getting some more education too! Will check it back in 24 hours! Almaqdisi 07:21, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

Another 3RR violation

I'm reporting you for another 3RR violation on Dome of the Rock unless you revert to my version. Partial reverts are included too, you just violated it. Amoruso 16:41, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

Good job. How man edits and reverts did u do?

3. you did 4 in 24 HRs. Read what WP:3RR is. Amoruso 16:48, 12 October 2006 (UTC)