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{{hat|Clear consensus that [[Order of the Arrow]] does not fall under the scope of ARBAP2. The ban is therefore overturned. [[User:GoldenRing|GoldenRing]] ([[User talk:GoldenRing|talk]]) 09:21, 15 July 2019 (UTC)}} |
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*Agreeing with Awilley and Hut 8.5's take here. Don't think this falls under the post-1932 scope. '''[[User:Lord Roem|Lord Roem]]''' ~ ([[User talk:Lord Roem|talk]]) 00:13, 15 July 2019 (UTC) |
*Agreeing with Awilley and Hut 8.5's take here. Don't think this falls under the post-1932 scope. '''[[User:Lord Roem|Lord Roem]]''' ~ ([[User talk:Lord Roem|talk]]) 00:13, 15 July 2019 (UTC) |
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*Agree. Obviously out of scope. El_C's response to the user's inquiry as to how it could be construed as being in scope is extremely dismissive and disingenuous. His attempt to argue that the AP sanctions extend to the topic of cultural appropriation is seriously unconvincing. Additionally, that the awareness criteria were not satisfied, and the actions not logged, are all cause for serious concern. De-tag the page and lift the ban. [[User:Swarm|<span style="color:black">'''~Swarm~'''</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Swarm|<span style="color:DarkViolet">{sting}</span>]]</sup> 03:14, 15 July 2019 (UTC) |
*Agree. Obviously out of scope. El_C's response to the user's inquiry as to how it could be construed as being in scope is extremely dismissive and disingenuous. His attempt to argue that the AP sanctions extend to the topic of cultural appropriation is seriously unconvincing. Additionally, that the awareness criteria were not satisfied, and the actions not logged, are all cause for serious concern. De-tag the page and lift the ban. [[User:Swarm|<span style="color:black">'''~Swarm~'''</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Swarm|<span style="color:DarkViolet">{sting}</span>]]</sup> 03:14, 15 July 2019 (UTC) |
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Wumbolo
Wumbolo is banned from Andy Ngo and its talk page, as well as topic banned from Andy Ngo anywhere on Wikipedia. Wumbolo is further warned that future disruption in the American Politics topic area will likely result in further sanctions, up to a topic ban from the entire WP:AP2 topic area. TonyBallioni (talk) 20:33, 11 July 2019 (UTC) | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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This request may be declined without further action if insufficient or unclear information is provided in the "Request" section below. Request concerning Wumbolo
Page placed under 1RR & consensus required by ST47 here. Wumbolo claimed a WP:BLPSPS exemption for his edit removing this. The removal had been contested in the past. The material removed does not relate to a living person and thus WP:BLPSPS does not apply. PeterTheFourth (talk) 21:51, 8 July 2019 (UTC)
Discussion concerning WumboloStatements must be made in separate sections. They may not exceed 500 words and 20 diffs, except by permission of a reviewing administrator. Statement by WumboloI have self-reverted the edit. wumbolo ^^^ 07:50, 9 July 2019 (UTC)
The table contains misrepresentations of sources by NorthBySouthBaranof. (emphases in table are mine) wumbolo ^^^ 20:13, 11 July 2019 (UTC) @Dumuzid: I apologize for attacks. wumbolo ^^^ 20:13, 11 July 2019 (UTC) @Pudeo: see #9 and #10 in table. wumbolo ^^^ 20:13, 11 July 2019 (UTC) Snooganssnoogans was always the one misrepresenting sources. I have been consistent. wumbolo ^^^ 20:13, 11 July 2019 (UTC) @TonyBallioni: I can't respond fully because of the limit, but the table above should provide sufficient information. wumbolo ^^^ 20:13, 11 July 2019 (UTC)
Statement by GMGUsing twitter as a third party source in an article about a living person is a BLP violation. This edit is not subject to reversion restrictions, and is fairly clearly marked as an edit made under BLP. GMGtalk 22:02, 8 July 2019 (UTC)
Statement by PeterTheFourth (filer)@GreenMeansGo: I don't believe WP:BLPSPS applies, as I noted in the initial request, because the material removed does not relate to a living person. PeterTheFourth (talk) 22:16, 8 July 2019 (UTC)
Statement by EdChemI have commented at talk:Andy Ngo. Following from those comments, I recommend trouting both Wumbolo and Pete, and possibly also GMG for the argument above, and then closing this AE report with no action. Added: Full thread is here, including my corrected comments as it was PTF not W who started this AE. EdChem (talk) 04:33, 9 July 2019 (UTC) Statement by NorthBySouthBaranofRelatedly, Wumbolo is repeatedly removing reliably-sourced descriptions of the "concrete milkshake" claim as a hoax, dubious and/or false, from the Milkshaking article. They have ludicrously claimed in edit summaries, without the slightest shred of evidence, that these are Statement by DumuzidI ran in to some of this same behavior from Wumbbolo on the Antifa talk page, specifically with regard to Mr. Ngo and milkshakes. I think this person is a good editor, but needs to find a way to be a bit less WP:POINTY. Everything did seem to be framed as Wumbolo's edits vs. terrorism. They even managed to get under my skin, and I apologize for being a bit brusque in reply. That being said, if they are willing to honestly try to assume good faith and edit in a less overtly political way, I don't think a block is necessary. Then again, I'm an old softie, and often wrong. Cheers. Dumuzid (talk) 23:57, 10 July 2019 (UTC) Statement by cygnis insignisBoth users, the reporter and reported edit aggressively and exhibit exceptional rudeness in heated to and fros. Both seem to be spoiling for a fight, not contribute positively in my experience of them, bringing it here is just part of a campaign. cygnis insignis 00:04, 11 July 2019 (UTC) Statement by Beyond My Ken@TonyBallioni:: Consider this edit, made today, attempting to whitewash the article about Laura Loomer with the removal of sourced information. Beyond My Ken (talk) 02:34, 11 July 2019 (UTC) Statement by PudeoCertainly Wumbolo shouldn't be topic banned for following WP:MOS and removing those WP:CLAIMED and WP:ALLEGED the very least. I don't understand the insistence on WP:BLPCRIME or tip-toeing whether it sounds like an assault or not. It can't be BLPCRIME, for once, because no one has been appherended or even recognized from the masked, unknown protestors. And anyone can be a part of the "Antifa" network, so there's no need to tip-toe that for BLP reasons either. You don't need to secure a conviction when there are no suspects and reliable sources have reported the attack. Wumbolo was right in describing the attack accurately per sources and removing the ALLEGEDs, but he should have left the Snopes piece intact. But all these separate things were modified in the same edits. --Pudeo (talk) 11:27, 11 July 2019 (UTC) Statement by SnooganssnoogansI don't have to time to get into this particular dispute, but I'd just like to note that this editor is problematic on all Wikipedia pages that relate to right-wing YouTube and Twitter celebrities and fads (Andy Ngo is another example). He repeatedly and often grossly misconstrues what cited sources actually say, and then edit-wars his changes into articles. Most recently, he edit-warred content not supported by the source into Ben Shapiro's article[7][8]. He also removed text that a RfC concluded should be in the Shapiro article.[9] In an attempt to get the RS noticeboard to give Ben Shapiro's website 'Daily Wire' RS status, he blatantly misrepresented how the website was covered by other news outlets[10] (and recently did the same for LifeSiteNews[11]). He also misconstrued sources on the articles for Shadow banning[12], YouTube[13], and South African farm attacks[14](where the editor was falsely claiming that RS did not report that a "white genocide" in South Africa was false[15][16]). In my opinion, this is something that should be considered a cardinal sin on Wikipedia, because it forces other Wikipedia editors to waste their time sifting through his sources, engage in discussions with him and deal with the edit-warring in good faith. It's an enormous time sink. Snooganssnoogans (talk) 18:58, 11 July 2019 (UTC) Statement by PackMecEng@TonyBallioni: Wumbolo does make a good point about BMK's personal attacks here and in edit summaries. I am concerned with your dismissal of that given our communities lack of response to such things. A new AE filing is of course not needed for that given anyone that comments here can have their conduct examined as well. PackMecEng (talk) 19:24, 11 July 2019 (UTC) Statement by (username)Result concerning Wumbolo
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JohnTopShelf
JohnTopShelf is topic-banned indefinitely from all edits about, and all pages related to post-1932 politics of the United States and closely related people. This topic-ban may be appealed after a minimum of 90 days. Anyone seeking sanctions against any other editor is directed to file a separate enforcement request. Vanamonde (Talk) 20:00, 13 July 2019 (UTC) |
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This request may be declined without further action if insufficient or unclear information is provided in the "Request" section below. Request concerning JohnTopShelf
Persistent attempts to insert negative information into Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, through gaming the 1RR/24h rule (note the timings) However, forgetting they had already made another revert ...
Discussion concerning JohnTopShelfStatements must be made in separate sections. They may not exceed 500 words and 20 diffs, except by permission of a reviewing administrator. Statement by JohnTopShelfIt was stated that I have "skirted" the 1RR rule. Stated another way - I complied with the rule. I am not trying to "skirt rules" - I am sincerely trying to comply with Wikipedia rules, which rival the U.S. tax code for complexity. Snooganssnoogans (talk) has stated that I continue to "edit-war blatant falsehoods and unsubstantiated smears into a BLP covered by DS." That is not true. The material I inserted into the Ocasio-Cortez article regarding Pastor Rodriguez' assessment of detention facilities was true and cited to a reliable source. The statement that the Democratic Socialists of America has a long-term goal of ending capitalism is from the organization's own web site, and is also included in the Wikipedia article on the group. Characterizing this edit as a unsubstantiated smear and blatant falsehood, as Snoog did on my talk page, is absurd. I am sincerely not trying to be a jerk about these recent edits; I have been simply trying to include factual, relevant information. The real issue is that Snooganssnoogans simply reverts edits if he doesn't like the contents, even if the edits are factual and properly cited, and then accuses an editor of edit-warring if the editor attempts to re-insert the information that was reverted without a valid reason. I also don't appreciate Snooganssnoogans' abrasive statements on the article talk page, my personal talk page, or his talk page, accusing me of lying, fabricating, being illiterate, and not operating in good faith. I am not going to request any enforcement or whatever for that, even though it is warranted. Further - what happened in the past is not relevant to this matter - I was already penalized for my past transgressions. Finally, I sincerely appreciate Drmies (talk) pointing out how to state my case in this matter - Thanks! I trust this matter will be handled fairly. -JohnTopShelf (talk) 20:32, 12 July 2019 (UTC) One additional thing - I hesitated to mention it here before, but it is very clear that Wikipedia has a double standard when it comes to editing and enforcement. A left-leaning editor like Snooganssnoogans can revert edits simply because he doesn’t like the content, and is not sanctioned in any way. He can also say I am lying, fabricating, smearing, and more - all untrue - and do so without recourse. Somehow that is allowed, but editing the AOC article to include true, reliably sourced information is not allowed since Snoogy, the self-anointed ruler of this article, doesn’t like it. I have changed my mind, and request arbitration and enforcement against Snooganssnoogans.-JohnTopShelf (talk) 19:46, 13 July 2019 (UTC) Statement by BellezzasoloJust to note that this page is also under enforced BRD, which seems to have been ignored by the user in question. A topic ban does seem to be in order given the history. ∰Bellezzasolo✡ Discuss 13:57, 12 July 2019 (UTC) Statement by SnooganssnoogansThis editor has been repeatedly warned about (1) DS, (2) edit-warring and (3) BLP violations, yet he continues to edit-war blatant falsehoods and unsubstantiated smears into a BLP covered by DS.[23] The editor was literally part of discussions where it was clearly pointed out how a group of pastors did not specifically say that AOC was misinforming the public[24], yet the editor edit-warred this falsehood back into the article.[25] The editor was also informed that a source did not substantiate that the Democratic Socialists of America "has a long-term goal of ending capitalism," yet repeatedly edit-warred that back into the article (see diffs provided by Black Kite). Snooganssnoogans (talk) 14:08, 12 July 2019 (UTC)
Statement by EvergreenFirPointing out [29] ... EvergreenFir (talk) 17:33, 12 July 2019 (UTC)
Statement by PudeoSnooganssnoogans writes in his statement here that adding that DSA wants to abolish capitalism is a "falsehood". He also said that on JohnTopShelf's talkpage, and in an edit summary. In fact, the DSA does want to abolish capitalism according to reliable sources. Vox [47]: JohnTopShelf should have used a better source as it was only implicit from the one used by him, but stop accusing him of posting falsehoods. You are wrong. I suggest a warning for Snoog for calling facts supported by reliable sources "falsehoods" because he wants an editor sanctioned on AE. --Pudeo (talk) 18:44, 12 July 2019 (UTC) Comment by MONGOUnless there is further evidence of issues any ban that might be imposed should be limited to anything about Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez...the bio on her etc. Seems that each block and this complaint focuses solely on the situation there.--MONGO (talk) 20:50, 12 July 2019 (UTC) The first set of diffs provided by EvergreenFir above are, aside from one ([51]) not specifically harmful unless they were part of a pattern of edit warring. Aside from one definitely bad example linked, they appear to be merely slight changes in wording and in some cases backed by RS. Again, all of the problematic edits are directly related to Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez as far as I can see.--MONGO (talk) 23:42, 12 July 2019 (UTC) @Awilley:...the only one in the diff you have suggested is the changing of the wording on the section on the Breitbart piece from misidentified to identified. The rest look like mostly word choices and not alarming. If you look at that diff the first blue highlighted change is merely removing the word "falsely" after the linked word Conspiracy Theory...but a conspiracy theory is by it's very definition, considered to be based on falsehoods...so what's wrong with taking out a double negative?MONGO (talk) 00:49, 13 July 2019 (UTC) I also take issue with Snooganssnoogans misrepresentarion of the issues mentioned by Pudeo above. Maybe JohnTopShelf could have provided better references as Pudeo has done rather than a primary one as he did and maybe he did not have consensus for that addition, but the fact is that RS clearly demonstrate the objectives of that political entity and to state that this is not the case is incorrect.--MONGO (talk) 01:02, 13 July 2019 (UTC) My concern is much more about protecting BLPs than the small potatoes other diffs that are relatively of small impact. It's a shame that AE has to always take the road of most destructive and draconian measures to silence people when it would be more Wikipedian to take warning a shot across the bow, topic ban him from the primary BLP in question and allow this to be the lesson for now. I will not hesitate here and now to say its immeasurably obvious that there is far more leniancy given to similar infractions by those who edit here from a left of center perspective. It pains me to say that and it's not intended as a insult but as a observation that can be easily demonstrated by a review of similar cases.--MONGO (talk) 16:13, 13 July 2019 (UTC) @Vanamonde93: those blocks all seem related to the editing issues this user has on Alexandria Ocasio-cortez. Eliminate their editing capacity on that BLP and maybe the problems will disappear.--MONGO (talk) 19:47, 13 July 2019 (UTC) Statement by Objective3000JohnTopShelf: Statement by Beyond My KenJust to note the Vox article cited by Pudeo as "proof" that the DSA wants to abolish capitalism is an opinion piece representing the views of the author, a "former reporter". It is not a news piece. Beyond My Ken (talk) 02:39, 13 July 2019 (UTC) Statement by Rusf10If JohnTopSelf has engaged in edit-warring, then so has Snooganssnoogans. [52] and [53] were done in less than a 48 hour period, so do they also violate the "spirit" of the 1RR? I think we probably could let both go, but the bigger issue here is Snooganssnoogans removal of content based on the fact he simply doesn't like the source. As per numerous discussion at WP:RSN, the community has decided that Fox News IS a reliable source. Yet, Snooganssnoogans frequently removes content simply because it has been sourced to Fox News. In the AOC article alone we have "remove rubbish source with misleading content" [54], "fox is not a rs for content related to this woman" [55]. In the talk page discussion he again asserts "This is a perfect example of why Fox News is not a RS, and how they're actively making shit up to smear AOC." [56] He then calls former ICE director Thomas Homan "not knowledgable about the issue in question" and "a partisan" without any source to back up the claim. While Fox News is his favorite target, it goes beyond this, he disparages any source that presents information that he does not like. He also called the New York Post "a bad faith actor" [57]. In other articles he called The Hill (also widely considered reliable) "non rs" [58], called Fox New a "non-rs" again [59]. It is clear to me that he goes against policy and consensus and evaluates reliability of sources simply based on whether he likes them or not.--Rusf10 (talk) 02:50, 13 July 2019 (UTC)
Result concerning JohnTopShelf
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Buffs
Clear consensus that Order of the Arrow does not fall under the scope of ARBAP2. The ban is therefore overturned. GoldenRing (talk) 09:21, 15 July 2019 (UTC) |
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This request may be declined without further action if insufficient or unclear information is provided in the "Request" section below. Request concerning Buffs
I think, but this is an appeal, so I'm asking for UNenforcement.
N/A; an appeal
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Part of the problem is that none of these apply...I think... On the Order of the Arrow talk page I saw and asked how it fell under these sanctions and was told "On the earth side of the United States and around that aforementioned timeline." This interpretation basically means anything that has existed in the US since 1932 or involves discussion since 1932. I don't think that was the intent of the original sanctions. Given that the locus of the primary dispute is regarding language used in 1915 (and earlier), I don't think it should apply. Even if it did, the length of ban is highly disproportionate.
Admin El C put Order of the Arrow under discretionary sanctions without logging it. He put also put me under a TBAN as a discretionary sanction without logging it either. He then blocked me without checking to see if I'd had the required notification. I’m asking for the ban/block to be vacated. Details and diffs below as needed. Side note: I'm not familiar with this process, so if I missed something or I've filed it incorrectly, please...be gentle, but you are free to correct any problems
An admin warned me not to use a collapse field on a talk page (It’s worth noting El C endorsed such actions just a few days prior, had been done to my remarks in the past with no complaint, and it was already undone/moved with no additional discussion/problems...i felt it'd been resolved). Another admin posted a warning to my talk page, but before I even saw the warning, under AE, El_C decided to increase that warning to a 6-month ban on the article for "underhanded conduct". And before I'd even had a chance to see the ban, El_C blocked me for a week for evading the ban (he later reverted it as he realized I hadn't seen it). These sanctions were not logged until after I was banned and blocked, as required. As such, actions taken under them should be invalidated.
Well, it's about me...so, yes, as the filer, I'm aware. Buffs (talk) 16:41, 12 July 2019 (UTC) Discussion concerning BuffsStatements must be made in separate sections. They may not exceed 500 words and 20 diffs, except by permission of a reviewing administrator. Statement by BuffsSee above. Buffs (talk) 16:42, 12 July 2019 (UTC)
Statement by El_CThe matter is now before the Arbitration Committee (privately). Due to issues pertaining to privacy, I am unable to comment further at this time. Sorry. But briefly, in regards to the discretionary sanctions encompassing the article: most of the dispute seem to revolve around modern claims of "cultural appropriation," which is why I felt AP2 applied. I continue to stand by that evaluation. Again, sorry for taking up the board's time, but I was only pinged (which currently just happens to be not good enough). A notice on my user talk page was due. El_C 20:10, 12 July 2019 (UTC)
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