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In recognition of your efforts on Wikipedia and for dedication to law oriented edits, I, Cdogsimmons, award you the **Society Barnstar**.

Defender

		The Mighty Defender of the Wiki Barnstar
		In recognition & thanks for your efforts in helping us work our way towards consensus towards making Battle of Washita River a good WP:NPOV (instead of WP:SOAP) article. Still a lotta work to do, but now we can do it, in no small part because of your help. Yksin 20:03, 10 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Award!

		The Vandal Eliminator Award
		I, Stormtracker94, award you the Vandal Eliminator Award for amazing vandal fighting and RC Patrol. STORMTRACKER 94 ^{Go Irish!} 17:39, 20 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

RL Barnstar

		The Real Life Barnstar
		For reporting a situation that could have resulted in a real life massacre I present you this barnstar. Thank you. +Hexagon1 ^(t) 05:23, 29 April 2008 (UTC)+Hexagon1 ^(t) 05:26, 29 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Initiative in dealing with situations like this is essential, and for all we know you may have saved lives the moment you posted that. Good work! +Hexagon1 ^(t) 05:23, 29 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Just be glad you're on the good side, every time I get involved in situations like that, I seem to be the one getting arrested... (kidding, please don't report me Mr. Thoughtpolice-man! :) +Hexagon1 ^(t) 23:59, 29 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Holy wow. Good job, Dreadstar. --Fang Aili ^talk 02:19, 19 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Society Barnstar, Congrats

		Society Barnstar
		For finding key public domain documents that proved George Thomas Coker's military record and were key in helping improve that article and helped to settle issues regarding it, I salute and thank you! — Rlevse • Talk • } 00:30, 5 August 2008 (UTC)}[reply]

Problem

Unfortunately someone decided to disclose and use my full name as vandalism in an article. Here is the link I know I'm probably being a pain, but could you help me? Take care, thanks in advance, and have a great week... --Candy156sweet (talk) 21:25, 19 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you so much. I really appreciate your help. That person didn't have the town I live in, but he did use my name unfortunately. It kinda freaked me out a bit. Sorry for the mess I made on your talk page. Not that proficient with Wikipedia code yet. Take care and have a great rest of your week. --Candy156sweet (talk) 21:38, 19 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Re-Breast talk

Dreadstar i have voice numerous time my objection to you becoming involved or contacting me for various reasons voiced before.

There is clearly not support anything that says consensus hasn't been made. The Survey went into a direction that Atom did not like so he claimed no consensus when it's clear the majority is in favor of the change.

I shouldn't have to repeat the same arguments and i haven't. I've stated the facts. 5 for 4 against. Where do you see how consensus wasn't made? Also I was not the first to think that WP:OWN would apply there as i stated numerous times. Also he keeps on saying the wrong numbers. he is mis representing consensus.

Why must you focus on me? I stated that the WP:TEND would apply to Atom because of his view on the illustration factor which he keeps voicing it over and over.

Please do not threaten me again, and keep from contacting me. I ask this for a ethical standard, given our past you are ethically obligated to maintain a distance and not interact or persuade others to interact for you. Yami (talk) 01:42, 20 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I've asked you multiple time to leave me alone. I have reported you multiple times and i have caught you and the other two involved with my blocking from the 5-8th in the wrong by fraternizing with the admin who blocked me again. After i had called you bias and it was clear that you became bias through your actions.

Also the one that handle my report against you told you to leave me alone, yet you keep coming back. Leave me alone, do not contact me or act through others. This is not a thing a admin should do. You are stepping on boundaries of civility now for one last time leave me alone. Yami (talk) 02:13, 20 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

for the record it's 60% and in 2 weeks no one else voiced support or oppose. Also i saw no strict min on when consensus is met on the consensus article. The 75% or what ever might apply to admin's being elected but i don't think that number was ever meant to be represented in a survey for a image. Yami (talk) 02:19, 20 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

RfA thank you

Dreadstar/UTDEHA2, I wish to say thanks for your support in my successful request for adminship, which ended with 82 supports, 3 opposes, and 1 neutral. I will do my best to live up to your expectations. I would especially like to thank Rlevse for nominating me and Wizardman for co-nominating me.
— JGHowes ^talk - 19 August 2008

Image closure

May I respectfully suggest that you are personally in no position to make controversial closures in contentious NFCC IFD cases like the Conqueror one [1]? I could accept a keep (or rather: "no consensus") closure from a competent admin with a serious track record on image deletion issues. But, sorry, I can't accept it from you. You have no substantial experience in IfD closure work. You have only done two or three cases that I can find; in both the previous ones you suddenly popped up at IfD to save scouting-related images that were being defended by your friends. Now you close this one that I nominated, after me scrutinizing your own image uploads and calling you on a few bad cases. This reeks of retaliation.

Moreover, your own track record at non-free image uploads indicates you are either not competent to correctly judge copyright and NFC issues, or unwilling to follow the policies. Just the other day I caught you at a blatant case of copyvio, the fraudulent pd-self claim of Image:DSSword.jpg. That alone would have been enough to get you desysopped. Today I find there's another of the same kind: Image:2001question.jpg, where at least two components, as well as the overall idea of the composition, are quite obviously copied from this motive, together with Image:Hal-9000.jpg. I first thought it possible that your claim here [2] ("None of these items are copied from any 2001: A space odyssey film frame or other related artwork. I created each aspect of this image by hand in a graphics program") was just an error of judgment, and that you honestly believed that by just re-tracing the contours after the original in your graphics program you could avoid committing copyright violation. If it was just that, it would still document a degree of cluelessness that would make you unfit for being an administrator at this site, and very definitely unfit for venturing into closing IfD debates. But on checking the images again, I can no longer extend even that degree of AGF. The images are pixel-by-pixel identical. Your claim was just a lie.

(By the way, I've also tagged your replacement Image:DSSword.jpg on commons, as it is evidently again based on some photograph and fails to declare its source.)

Can I please ask you to revert your closure and let this be handled by somebody else with a better standing on image matters.

Also, on having verified the nature of the copyvio, I have to ask you at this point: what are your criteria for recall? Fut.Perf. ☼ 08:08, 20 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, I drew the original sword drawing about 20 years ago, but I agree that it was too derivative of the original and did not dispute the deletion. When I uploaded it, as well as the others I drew or created, I certainly wasn't attempting to put in a fraudulent pd-self claim. The second sword drawing is completely my own work, with an image of my own creation - it does not appear to be derivative that would violate copyright - but if it does, I'll certainly delete it. As for the Image:2001question.jpg, my "claim" is not a lie, I did indeed draw that interpretative image by hand, tracing nothing, per the article's subject matter - Interpretations of 2001: A Space Odyssey. Sure it has its similarities, but that's a necessary part of the interpretation. Again, if it's too derivative from the originals, I'm not disputing it's deletion. Believe me, I've become far more familiar with the image policies since those were uploaded.

If you believe my closure of the Conqueror IFD was faulty, then please open a WP:DRV, the closure certainly had nothing to do with you or any "retaliation" on my part, but I must say that your own actions here truly reek of that. My recall criteria are on file, but I do not see how that comes into play since there has been no misuse of the admin tools - indeed they were not used at all here. Dreadstar † 16:43, 20 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Too bad. I guess you just missed the last chance of coming clean without it becoming a real big embarassment. But you chose to continue digging yourself deeper. Please review Image:Dreadstar comparison.jpg, and then tell me how I should believe you drew all details of Image:2001question.jpg yourself, and made Image:DSSword.jpg twenty years ago. You have one more chance of responding before this goes to WP:ANI (and from there, if necessary, to Arbcom). – By the way, as far as "retaliation" goes, if we hadn't just been involved in that dispute, I would have simply blocked you as a serial copyvio offender by now, and for a good long time. Now I obviously can't do that, so I have to escalate it through other channels. Fut.Perf. ☼ 22:05, 20 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I think ANI would be pretty enlightening FutPer. The fact that anyone who disagrees appears to have their image history trawled for some little retaliation strike, that multiple people appear to have come to this conclusion, deserves a discussion. I came here to thank Dreadstar for closing the image review and instead find this little section full of browbeating. Sorry FutPer, but if anyones actions here proove their unsuitability for the tools, it is yours. Narson (talk) 22:17, 20 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I never made it a secret that when I see people defend bad images on IfD, I regularly check their own upload logs. Normally I just find a few dodgy fair use rationales; those are routine and get dealt with by the usual process. In this case, I find a systematic pattern of abusive, intentional copyright violations, with a substantial amount of sustained effort invested to conceal it. In an admin. This is grounds for desysopping. The project cannot afford having copyright and NFCC policies judged and enforced by people who systematically undermine and sabotage these same policies. Fut.Perf. ☼ 22:27, 20 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Having a disagreement with someone and then trawling for another fight through their history is pretty confrontational, FutPer, and equally worrying to me. I am not going to defend Dreadstar's previous actions as an editor, but wouldn't going to DRV have been a more constructive approach than the one you took here? I am sure some would say that a overly strict enforcement of policy is just as damaging as a lax one, in real terms. I apologise for the ton of my last message but this is a pattern of confrontation you seem to have gotten into and it will not, in my view, go anywhere good. Narson (talk) 22:34, 20 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Deletion review comes after discussion with the closing admin. In this case, as the main argument to be discussed in the deletion review is such a personal deficiency in the closing admin, it's a bit awkward any way you approach it. I guess ANI still comes before DRV in this case. Fut.Perf. ☼ 22:37, 20 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

And by the way, I don't trawl for a "fight". I trawl for things that need cleaning up, and in some cases I'm looking to understand where people are coming from when they defend the indefensible. In this case, there is clearly nothing to "fight" over. It's just a matter of making sure an abusive editor is prevented from causing more damage. Fut.Perf. ☼ 22:48, 20 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Replaceable fair use Image:CBW.JPG

Replaceable fair use

Thanks for uploading Image:CBW.JPG. I noticed the description page specifies that the media is being used under a claim of fair use, but its use in Wikipedia articles fails our first non-free content criterion in that it illustrates a subject for which a freely licensed media could reasonably be found or created that provides substantially the same information. If you believe this media is not replaceable, please:

Go to the media description page and edit it to add {{di-replaceable fair use disputed}}, without deleting the original replaceable fair use template.
On the image discussion page, write the reason why this image is not replaceable at all.

Alternatively, you can also choose to replace this non-free media by finding freely licensed media of the same subject, requesting that the copyright holder release this (or similar) media under a free license, or by taking a picture of it yourself.

If you have uploaded other non-free media, consider checking that you have specified how these images fully satisfy our non-free content criteria. You can find a list of description pages you have edited by clicking on this link. Note that even if you follow steps 1 and 2 above, non-free media which could be replaced by freely licensed alternatives will be deleted 2 days after this notification (7 days if uploaded before 13 July 2006), per our non-free content policy. If you have any questions please ask them at the Media copyright questions page. Thank you. Do you want to opt out of receiving this notice? Fut.Perf. ☼ 10:02, 20 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I had been in touch with the subject's family and just got off the phone with them again. They authorized the use of this image and will be responding to me with either an OTRS request or with another PD image. I'll update then. Dreadstar † 15:51, 20 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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 :::::Having a disagreement with someone and then trawling for another fight through their history is pretty confrontational, FutPer, and equally worrying to me. I am not going to defend Dreadstar's previous actions as an editor, but wouldn't going to DRV have been a more constructive approach than the one you took here? I am sure some would say that a overly strict enforcement of policy is just as damaging as a lax one, in real terms. I apologise for the ton of my last message but this is a pattern of confrontation you seem to have gotten into and it will not, in my view, go anywhere good. [[User:Narson|Narson]] ([[User talk:Narson|talk]]) 22:34, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
 :::::: Deletion review comes after discussion with the closing admin. In this case, as the main argument to be discussed in the deletion review is such a personal deficiency in the closing admin, it's a bit awkward any way you approach it. I guess ANI still comes before DRV in this case. [[User:Future Perfect at Sunrise|Fut.Perf.]] [[User talk:Future Perfect at Sunrise|☼]] 22:37, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
+:::::: And by the way, I don't trawl for a "fight". I trawl for things that need cleaning up, and in some cases I'm looking to understand where people are coming from when they defend the indefensible. In this case, there is clearly nothing to "fight" over. It's just a matter of making sure an abusive editor is prevented from causing more damage. [[User:Future Perfect at Sunrise|Fut.Perf.]] [[User talk:Future Perfect at Sunrise|☼]] 22:48, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
 == Replaceable fair use Image:CBW.JPG ==