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Iraq After The Muslim Conquest

Hello HistoryofIran! You used this source to create Hazarbed years ago, but now, unfortunately, it's not available on Google Books. Do you have a PDF? I really would like to have such source, but I don't know where there is a PDF archive. Cheers!--Renato de carvalho ferreira (talk) 21:43, 29 May 2017 (UTC)

@Renato de carvalho ferreira: Yeah, I have quite a lot of pages of the book stored in my mail (pages 27-99 and 180-213 with info about the Hazarbed and alot more). Here's the mail I use for Wikipedia, contact me so I can send them to you. --HistoryofIran (talk) 22:31, 29 May 2017 (UTC)

Can you help verify translations of articles from Farsi

Hello,

Would you be able to help evaluate the accuracy of translations of Wikipedia articles from Farsi to English Wikipedia?

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This would involve evaluating a translated article on English Wikipedia by comparing it to the original Farsi article, and marking it "Pass" or "Fail" based on whether the translation faithfully represents the original. Here's the reason for this request:

There are a number of articles on English Wikipedia that were created as machine translations from different languages including Farsi , using the Content Translation tool, sometimes by users with no knowledge of the source language. The config problem that allowed this to happen has since been fixed, but this has left us with a backlog of articles whose accuracy of translation is suspect or unknown, including some articles translated from Farsi. In many cases, other editors have come forward later to copyedit and fix any English grammar or style issues, but that doesn't necessarily mean that the translation is accurate, as factual errors from the original translation may remain. To put it another way: Good English is not the same as good translation.

If you can help out, that would be great. Here's a sample of the articles that need checking:

• Islamic Revolution Document Center
• Standing in the Mist
• Homafaran allegiance
• Ciyos Guran
• Persian Gulf Forever

All you have to do, is compare the English article to the Farsi article, and mark it "Pass" or "Fail" (templates {{Pass}} and {{Fail}} may be useful). (Naturally, if you feel like fixing an inaccurate translation and then marking it "Pass", that's even better, but it isn't required.)

If you can help, please let me know. Thanks! Mathglot (talk) 05:42, 30 May 2017 (UTC)

Unfortunately I can't read the Persian script. --HistoryofIran (talk) 14:29, 30 May 2017 (UTC)

Oh. You have a {{user fa}} box on your user page, so I thought you were a native speaker. Thanks anyway! Mathglot (talk) 07:36, 6 June 2017 (UTC)

Help save these files?

This collection of files and this file are nominated for deletion.
It would be nice of you to leave a comment.
Thank you.
—Rye-96 (talk) 14:40, 9 June 2017 (UTC)

Safavid Grand Viziers

Dear HistoryofIran, I want to thank you for editing the List of Safavid Grand Viziers. I want to inform you that in the book "Zubdat al-Tavarikh" It is mentioned that "Mortezaqoli Khan" was "Vakil-e Divan" and not the grand vizier of Tahmasp II. I also want to be familiar with your sources for the viziership of "Mirza Abdol-Karim". I saw his name in "Zubdat al-Tavarikh" as "E'demad al-Dowle" which was the title of Safavids' Grand Viziers, but in the book "Ashraf Afghan on the throne of Isfahan: narration of the Dutch witnesses" he is just considered as "Mostowfi-ye Khasse (Special state accountant). I am not familiar with "Farajollah Khan Abdollah", "Mirza Mohammad Hossein" and "Mirza Mohammad Rahim". Please, introduce me your source or sources which mention their names. About "Mirza Abdollah", I should say that he was the son of "Mirza Davud Mar'ashi (Custodian of Astan-e Quds-e Razavi)" so he must be the brother of Suleiman II of Persia. There is another figure who might be one of Tahmasp II's Grand Viziers: "Ismail Beg E'temad al-Dowle" who signed the Treaty of Saint Petersburg (1723) on the side of Safavids. Saeed Nafisi mentioned his name with the title of "E'demad al-Dowle" but did not directly called him the Grand Vizier of Tahmasp II. In "Alamara-ye Naderi" he is mentioned as "Tabin-e Vazir-e A'zam" which I do not know what means exactly. At the end I should say that "Rajab-Ali Beg" and "Rajab-Ali Khan" maybe was one person. "Zubdat al-Tavarikh" mentioned that "Rajab-Ali Beg" was "Nazer-e Boyutat" at the beginning of the reign of Tahmasp II and "Alamara-ye Naderi" mentioned "Rajab-Ali Khan E'temad al-Dowle" was the Grand Vizier of Tahmasp II which started his viziership after the Battle of Murche-Khort and died 2 months before the deposion of Tahmasp II. Best regards Shfarshid (talk) 03:03, 11 June 2017 (UTC)

Hello there - the article is not yet done. The source I primarily use is this one [1]. --HistoryofIran (talk) 10:45, 11 June 2017 (UTC)

Thank you Shfarshid (talk) 03:48, 12 June 2017 (UTC)

Congrats!

Congrats on reaching GA with Arsaces I of Parthia! A great article on a pivotal figure in Iranian history. Keep up the good work! - LouisAragon (talk) 23:23, 18 March 2019 (UTC)

Happy Nowruz

This graphical design of mine, even though is not prestigious enough to represent Nowruz, but as a symbol of good faith for the beginning of a new friendship, is presented to you.

Happy Nowruz, the most accurate new year festival with respect to astronomical calculations!

I have decided that if a group of few users can be formed, together we start a new wikiproject, to make a tree-view of detailed content of all policies and guidelines for handy usage of ourselves (in Iran wikiproject) and the new users. Here is the proto-type of what I have in mind. I have always felt lack of any such tool for wikipedia contributors. If you were interested, I would be glad to see you in this wikiproject. --Shahreman (talk) 07:13, 24 March 2019 (UTC)

Uh sure I guess, I'm in. --HistoryofIran (talk) 10:47, 24 March 2019 (UTC)

Good Work

Hello HistoryofIran, let me congratulate you, first and again for Nowruz and New Iranian Year, second for your good work on the history of our country Iran which I see you are continuing. As I am also interested in creating articles about history, including of our own, I hope, somehow, in this new year, we can work together more. Thank You Alex-h (talk) 09:29, 25 March 2019 (UTC)

Thanks mate, and likewise! --HistoryofIran (talk) 17:44, 25 March 2019 (UTC)

Hyspaosines

Hello HistoryofIran. I am not sure why you delete all my edits. One main source for this king is Pliny the Elder. In the moment he is not once mentioned in the article. The article mainly refers to modern authors making it very hard (or impossible) to see what is fact and what are suggestions by modern historians. best wishes -- Udimu (talk) 17:25, 25 March 2019 (UTC)

If there is a certain suggestion by a modern historian then it will be mentioned thats it's a suggestion and not fact. The information on the article (well at least the properly sourced ones) is fact. Hyspaosines being appointed governor is already written in the governorship section. But yeah the article is very incomplete. Also, mind you that ancient/medieval historians tend to say inaccurate/biased stuff, which is often corrected in modern sources. Also p2, even if the source can be viewed online you still have to add a citation. --HistoryofIran (talk) 17:40, 25 March 2019 (UTC)

A cheeseburger for you!

For your contributions on "Hyspaosines". Shahreman (talk) 18:34, 25 March 2019 (UTC)

Thank you! --HistoryofIran (talk) 00:05, 26 March 2019 (UTC)

GA's

In addition to my reply on my talk page; you could ask Cplakidas and Attar-Aram syria to review your articles. I sure they'd be willing to help you out. As you know they're two excellent editors who edit late antiquity/classical antiquity/Islamic, etc. articles, and they both review GA/FA-nominees as well. You should definitely pay them a visit when you have time. :-) - LouisAragon (talk) 15:03, 5 April 2019 (UTC)

Example:[2] - LouisAragon (talk) 16:01, 5 April 2019 (UTC)

Hey mate, can I ask you a favor? I'm currently dealing with the points raised at the GA review of Safavid occupation of Basra (1697-1701). The GA reviewer has asked me to add a few more words about the Ottomans and Safavids to the lede:

• "The Ottomans and the Safavids need a bit more of an introduction in the lead, even if only two or three words each"[3]

Would you as an uninvolved reader be willing to add a few words about these two polities to the lede? I always find such simple points, though obviously valid, difficult to carry out when I'm the main editor. - LouisAragon (talk) 18:38, 17 April 2019 (UTC)

@LouisAragon: I'm not really good at it either, especially with the Muslim dynasties of Iran, but I tried (source; http://www.iranicaonline.org/articles/safavids);

The Safavid dynasty was one of the most prominent and influential dynasties of Iran. Unlike most of the previous dynasties of the country, they were, however, Shiite Muslims, and had declared it as the official religion of the country under its founder, King (Shah) Ismail I (r. 1501–1524). The young dynasty, due to its religious and political differences with the neighbouring Sunnite Ottoman Empire, was seen as a threat. As as result the two empires would constantly clash with each other, with both sides gaining some decisive victories over each other. EDIT; Ops, didnt know this was for the lede. --HistoryofIran (talk) 19:11, 17 April 2019 (UTC)

Yeah I need a short introduction of both empires for the lede haha. Do you have any other suggestion? PS: just sent you Axworthy's A History of Iran: Empire of the Mind. - LouisAragon (talk) 15:10, 19 April 2019 (UTC)

The reviewer proposes this:

"The Safavid occupation of Basra was the takeover of the important Persian Gulf city of Basra by the Muslim Safavid dynasty of the Persian, or Iranian, Empire between 26 March 1697 and 9 March 1701. They gained control of the city of Basra with the support of 5,000 members of the Moshasha, a Muslim Shi'i sect based in western Khuzestan Province. In 1695, Shaykh Mane ibn Mughamis and his Arab tribesmen had revolted against the Ottomans, the Muslim Empire which controlled much of the Balkans and the Middle East."

Thoughts? - LouisAragon (talk) 15:39, 19 April 2019 (UTC)

@LouisAragon: Ye it's fine. And thanks mate :). --HistoryofIran (talk) 17:03, 19 April 2019 (UTC)

Can you add this page to your watchlist?[4] WP:SPA IPs/accounts are on a WP:TENDENTIOUS mission. - LouisAragon (talk) 16:39, 23 April 2019 (UTC)

@LouisAragon: Sure. --HistoryofIran (talk) 16:55, 23 April 2019 (UTC)

So did you manage to log into Oxford? - LouisAragon (talk) 12:17, 24 April 2019 (UTC)

@LouisAragon: Not yet, they told me that I can expect to receive access details within a week or two once it has been processed. --HistoryofIran (talk) 13:11, 24 April 2019 (UTC)

Aight. Until that time, if you need any entry or whatsoever, don't hesitate to let me know. - LouisAragon (talk) 13:20, 24 April 2019 (UTC)

Could you add this one to your watchlist as well?[5] Disruptive edits every once in a while. - LouisAragon (talk) 09:41, 25 April 2019 (UTC)

@LouisAragon: Done. --HistoryofIran (talk) 13:04, 25 April 2019 (UTC)

Seems you got access to Oxford at last :) Good stuff, innit? - LouisAragon (talk) 14:28, 2 May 2019 (UTC)

@LouisAragon: Yeah lots of new stuff I haven't read about before, a shame its so short though.

True. - LouisAragon (talk) 15:41, 2 May 2019 (UTC)

[6] No edit summary/explanation, extremely far-fetched POV claims. Also, you might be interested in this.[7] - LouisAragon (talk) 19:09, 7 May 2019 (UTC)

References

Your GA nomination of Hormizd III

Hi there, I'm pleased to inform you that I've begun reviewing the article Hormizd III you nominated for GA-status according to the criteria. This process may take up to 7 days. Feel free to contact me with any questions or comments you might have during this period. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Gog the Mild -- Gog the Mild (talk) 17:21, 6 May 2019 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Hormizd III

The article Hormizd III you nominated as a good article has passed ; see Talk:Hormizd III for comments about the article. Well done! If the article has not already been on the main page as an "In the news" or "Did you know" item, you can nominate it to appear in Did you know. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Gog the Mild -- Gog the Mild (talk) 18:02, 6 May 2019 (UTC)

For quality work

		The Feather Barnstar
		By the authority vested in me by myself it gives me great pleasure to present you with this barnstar in recognition of the great work you are doing in improving the quality of articles. Please keep it up. Gog the Mild (talk) 18:23, 6 May 2019 (UTC)

Thank you very much @Gog the Mild:, appreciate it coming from someone like you :). --HistoryofIran (talk) 18:26, 6 May 2019 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Yazdegerd II

Hi there, I'm pleased to inform you that I've begun reviewing the article Yazdegerd II you nominated for GA-status according to the criteria. This process may take up to 7 days. Feel free to contact me with any questions or comments you might have during this period. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Gog the Mild -- Gog the Mild (talk) 15:20, 10 May 2019 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Yazdegerd II

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Istakhr, Eberhard Sauer (Sasanian Persia: Between Rome and the Steppes of Eurasia)

I just went for a full rewrite.[8] Could you take a cursory look at the changes I made when you have time? Also, sent you a reply in relation to the Sasanian Empire source (Sasanian Persia: Between Rome and the Steppes of Eurasia). - LouisAragon (talk) 18:12, 15 May 2019 (UTC)

Ye sure. --HistoryofIran (talk) 18:35, 15 May 2019 (UTC)

Do we need an article about this?[9] Or is it already covered somewhere else? - LouisAragon (talk) 15:50, 18 May 2019 (UTC)

Oh btw I wanted to go for a full rewrite of Kermanshah, but its gonna take a lot of time, hence I'm gonna postpone it for the time being. I did however decide to add a small etymology section.[10] By any chance; if you have sources at your disposal about the words Middle Persian vs New Persian transliteration (similar to what we've done at e.g. Istakhr), that'd be great. - LouisAragon (talk) 17:12, 18 May 2019 (UTC)

@LouisAragon: Well we don't have an article of it and it is technically mentioned in Kavad I, but as a city instead of province ("Many places were founded and re-built under Kavad. He founded Eran-asan-kar-Kawad in Media;[1]"). It's up to you I guess. Also ye I'll notify you if I see something regarding Kermanshah. --HistoryofIran (talk) 00:03, 19 May 2019 (UTC)

Gave it a shot.[11] - LouisAragon (talk) 17:33, 19 May 2019 (UTC)

I can review the article if no one responds at this venue. Just throw me a ping/notification. - LouisAragon (talk) 21:06, 27 May 2019 (UTC)

@LouisAragon: Yes that would be nice, thank you. --HistoryofIran (talk) 13:50, 28 May 2019 (UTC)

No problem. Will start within the next few days. - LouisAragon (talk) 17:59, 29 May 2019 (UTC)

Whoa. Livius.org offers a wide array of interesting art pictures that are freely uploadable.[12]-[13] I just added these two to Commons.[14]-[15] - LouisAragon (talk) 19:38, 16 July 2019 (UTC)

@LouisAragon: Yeah I recall seeing something like that. Never completely explored what pictures the site offered (until u messaged me), but ye it's quite promising. Uploads inc. --HistoryofIran (talk) 19:58, 16 July 2019 (UTC)

I adjusted my comment like 10 times, lol. Some of the pics definitely close a long-standing gap. Pretty sick, to put it politely. - LouisAragon (talk) 20:06, 16 July 2019 (UTC)

Got access to Brill Online for a day. If you need anything, lemme know. - LouisAragon (talk) 16:02, 3 August 2019 (UTC)

@LouisAragon: Actually, yes, I do have loads in mind. Names inc. --HistoryofIran (talk) 16:05, 3 August 2019 (UTC)

@LouisAragon: Yeah, take your time, lel [16] [17] [18] [19] [20] [21] [22] [23] [24] [25] [26] [27] [28] [29] [30] [31] --HistoryofIran (talk) 16:16, 3 August 2019 (UTC)

Check your email ;-) - LouisAragon (talk) 11:37, 4 August 2019 (UTC)

I was wondering; should Darius the Great's Suez Inscriptions and the clay tablet from Romania (Gherla) be added to Template:Persian literature? - LouisAragon (talk) 15:33, 10 August 2019 (UTC)

@LouisAragon: Ehh, no idea xd. --HistoryofIran (talk) 03:03, 11 August 2019 (UTC)

Sorry didn't see your reply mate. Yeah I wasn't sure cuz it does include some inscriptions but not all of them. Btw I added Category:Zoroastrianism to Kingdom of Cappadocia. Yeah, it was not a fully Zoroastrian entity anymore as it was getting Hellenized, but it did have a very important role in relation to the kingdom and to the survival of Zoroastrianism in general. Per the same rationale, should it be added to Kingdom of Pontus? Bear in mind that there are less extant records available of "proper Zoroastrianism" from Pontus during the period of kingship. I think it should be added, but I was curious for your opinion. - LouisAragon (talk) 20:41, 19 August 2019 (UTC)

@LouisAragon: Ye sure, why not. --HistoryofIran (talk) 20:47, 19 August 2019 (UTC)

I'm back! - LouisAragon (talk) 01:03, 28 December 2019 (UTC)

Nicee! --HistoryofIran (talk) 15:47, 28 December 2019 (UTC)

Sources needed for Days of the Year pages

You're probably not aware of this change, but Days of the Year pages are no longer exempt from WP:V and direct sources are required for additions. For details see the content guideline and the WikiProject Days of the Year style guide. Please do not add new additions to these pages without direct sources as the burden to provide them is on the editor who adds or restores material to these pages. Thank you. Toddst1 (talk) 13:34, 22 May 2019 (UTC)

I see - there you go, I've added it now. --HistoryofIran (talk) 13:37, 22 May 2019 (UTC)

Jewish revolt against Heraclius

Hey, i asked for page protection, since this article is the target of IP disruption. Cheers.---Wikaviani ^{(talk) (contribs)} 21:14, 23 May 2019 (UTC)

Suleiman of Persia

Hi. Could you please look at the above article. Someone is making edits to it and I can't confirm whether they are good faith or not. Thanks in advance.TheDoDahMan (talk) 13:15, 24 May 2019 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

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	I have just passed your article on Mithridates the Great as a good article and you deserve it. Thanks a lot for your contributions to articles related to the History of Iran. Congratulations and all the best! P.S: When I have time I will also get to reviewing your other articles nominated for good article. Migboy123 (talk) 12:24, 26 May 2019 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

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	Thank you very much for your unbiased and purely information contributions to articles related to the History of Iran. Migboy123 (talk) 12:25, 26 May 2019 (UTC)

Requested move

Hello HistoryofIran, maybe you are interested in this requested move Talk:Kurdistan Province#Requested move 2 June 2019, regards Coron Arol (talk) 14:19, 2 June 2019 (UTC)

There are also two requested moves in the articles Talk:Iranian Kurdistan#Requested move 2 June 2019 and Talk:Turkish Kurdistan#Requested move 2 June 2019 Coron Arol (talk) 17:08, 2 June 2019 (UTC)

Just to let you know

Hey, i reported the disruptive IP who is edit warring on numerous articles, including Avicenna and Muhammad ibn Musa al-Khwarizmi here. Best.---Wikaviani ^{(talk) (contribs)} 12:15, 9 June 2019 (UTC)

Hey again, seems it's trolls day today, i think it's better to leave the IP who is edit warring on Tabriz, Tehran and Sanandaj alone, he has reverted all of us repeatedly and will not stop that easy, i asked for page protection and we will be able to restore last good version after that. Cheers.---Wikaviani ^{(talk) (contribs)} 20:07, 9 June 2019 (UTC)

"Somewhat" related, did you see this? - LouisAragon (talk) 13:26, 11 June 2019 (UTC)

@Wario-Man: @Kansas Bear: - LouisAragon (talk) 13:27, 11 June 2019 (UTC)

Jeez. --HistoryofIran (talk) 14:21, 11 June 2019 (UTC)

Actually, I stumbled upon this a few weeks ago and lost track of it. But to be honest, can we really say we are surprised? --Kansas Bear (talk) 18:39, 11 June 2019 (UTC)

Not in the slightest way. - LouisAragon (talk) 22:58, 11 June 2019 (UTC)

Agreed, we all know why this happened ...---Wikaviani ^{(talk) (contribs)} 16:17, 12 June 2019 (UTC)

Periodization

Hi. I want to talk with you about Periodization of History of Iran. In Fawiki, we discussed a lot in دوره بندی تاریخ ایران. I believe Periodization of History of Iran should be changed from dynasty-base form. Qajar dynasty was a ruling house of Realm of Iran. For example, Ottoman dynasty differs from Ottoman Empire, and House of Romanov differs from Russian Empire; they were not a same thing :(( Sovereign state of Iran before 1979 was «Imperial State of Iran», not Pahlavi dynasty. I believe that the sovereign of Iran from 16th century had a name such as «Mamālek-e Īrān», «Mamālek-e Maḥrūsa-ye Īrān» or other names… but Safavi, Afshar, Zand and Qajar were the ruling house of this territory. What is your opinion? Do you agree with separation of the articles of ruling houses from sovereign states of Iran?
Perhaps it is interesting for LouisAragon too. Regards Benyamin-ln (talk) 14:04, 12 June 2019 (UTC)

:) Benyamin-ln (talk) 20:58, 15 June 2019 (UTC)

I disagree, we should it per the sources, which we are doing now. --HistoryofIran (talk) 22:36, 15 June 2019 (UTC)

Safavid dynasty was a dynasty, not a country. Are you disagree with this? Benyamin-ln (talk) 12:17, 16 June 2019 (UTC)

The same can be said for the Sasanians and many other articles. I've said my bit, sorry but I don't wish to delve into this any further. HistoryofIran (talk)

Sasanian Empire and House of Sasan have different articles.

I thought you would like this subject. Ok. Benyamin-ln (talk) 13:58, 16 June 2019 (UTC)

How I'm understanding this is that you want an article that includes several Iranian dynasties, the Safavid/Afshar/Zand/Qajar dyasnties in one article etc. --HistoryofIran (talk) 14:10, 16 June 2019 (UTC)

Not exactly in one article. Perhaps I hadn't explain correctly in previous time.

Only in articles of Iran's history, dynasties and territories are mixed. We haven't see such misunderstands in articles of other countries —from Habsburg Spain to Bagratid Armenia—. Benyamin-ln (talk) 15:31, 16 June 2019 (UTC)

@LouisAragon: Do you like this topic? Benyamin-ln (talk) 14:08, 16 June 2019 (UTC)

@Benyamin-ln: Hi there, excuse me for my belated response. Hmm that's an interesting proposal to be honest. However, it wouldn't work. For instance, how are people supposed to know that "Mamalek-e Iran" refers to Safavid Iran? The title doesn't reveal anything particular. Unless WP:RS sources start using these native nomenclatures en masse, or Persian becomes a lingua franca like English, I don't see any reason to implement such changes.

Having said that, what I "do" believe should be done in the near future, is moving articles like "Qajar dynasty" to "Qajar Iran". This is supported by WP:COMMONNAME as JSTOR and Google.books yield much more hits for "Qajar Iran" compared to "Qajar dynasty". All dynasty-related articles of Iran of the early modern period (i.e. Safavid, Afsharid, Qajar) deal with the country known as Iran/Persia during the rule of aforemetioned dynasties. Currently, the content within these articles reach far beyond a mere description about the ruling monarchs. The dynasties proper in turn could have their own separate articles if needed (like Bagrationi dynasty, Ottoman dynasty, etc.). This implementation would bring articles like Qajar dynasty properly in line with Bagratid Armenia and Habsburg Spain amongst others. - LouisAragon (talk) 14:57, 18 June 2019 (UTC)

@LouisAragon: Hi buddy, thank you :)

I done some searches as you said and I saw that for Safavid government: "Safavid Iran/Safavid Persia", for Afsharid government: "Afsharid Iran/Afsharid Persia" and for Qajar government: "Qajar Iran/Qajar Persia" widely used. It's great!

How long does it take to happen in ENwiki? Benyamin-ln (talk) 23:29, 19 June 2019 (UTC)

@Benyamin-ln: Once enough support has been gathered, the change can be manually implemented as far as I know. - LouisAragon (talk) 16:01, 3 August 2019 (UTC)

References

Question

Hi HistoryofIran, I have a question and would like to know if you have any information or research regarding the Achomi, Larestani, or the Huwala in Iranian history books or culture? There's very little information written about them that I found. I am not entirely certain if they are all the same and grouped together and called Larestani? Also, how different are they from the Huwala? When I was in the Emirates, I have met some elders of well known families who have migrated from Iran (mainly fars province). Many of them carry names of places in Iran (Bastaki and Janahi, for example). The general view of the Arabs in the Emirates is that they're not pure Arabs because they've migrated, or are true Persians, or simply not bedouin enough to be Arabs. They are pejoratively called Ajam. The bedouin Arabs carry last names of tribal affiliations (Al Falasi for example). However, when I actually sat down with some of the 70-80 year old elders, they mention that their ancestors were seafarers and they have settled in Iranian coast due to the bustling ports. They explain that they traveled from the peninsula to Iran (Fars and Hormozgan) and some to even India (Mumbai) in the 17th and 18th century, intermarried with the people there and learned the language and left when hostilities in Iran increased against them. To me, this was confirmed when the ruler of Sharjah wrote an autobiography about his family and that they lived on the Iranian coast. Hence, they started calling themselves Khodmonoi. Although I am not certain if being a "Khodmooni" is the same as being an Achomi or larestani? They told me they were Sunni Muslims compared to the large Shia followers in Iran. To us the general Arabs in the emirates who form the majority, we call this minority Ajam, some hardliners even call the Al Qassimi, a royal family, Ajam. The Arab hardliners state that those are Persians who came to the peninsula looking for trade and almost always were referred to as Ajam. In their words "in the Arabian peninsula they call us ajam and in Iran they call us Arabs so we're just content calling themselves Khodmooni".

Sorry for the long prose. My question is, are the Achomi or Larestani an ethnic group within the Persian people or are they the same as the Huwala? Some say the Huwala are both Persanized Arabs and Arabized Persians who moved from Iran to the peninsula. Are they all the same people; a combination of Persian-Arab? They share the same language (which I understood is not the same as true Persian), but they call it the "Ajami language". I would love the input from a Persian who knows the history of Iran very well. I am not looking forward to add this information to wikipedia due to the lack of verifiable sources, so I am only asking for my own knowledge. I would love the input from a scholastic well lettered Persian. Thank you. -Wikiemirati (talk) 00:11, 16 June 2019 (UTC)

Sorry bud, I don't even possess a single source regarding those groups. They are quite obsecure indeed. --HistoryofIran (talk) 00:20, 16 June 2019 (UTC)

No worries, thanks mate. Wikiemirati (talk) 01:35, 16 June 2019 (UTC)

@Wikiemirati: I had a brief look. Not sure if this helps but:

• The Encyclopaedia of Islam (2nd edition) contains 1-2 sentences about the Huwala in its "Dawraḳ" and "al-Baḥrayn" entries.
• The "Persian Gulf" entry of the The Oxford Encyclopedia of Maritime History contains one sentence about the Huwala.
• The Encyclopaedia of Islam (2nd edition) contains some information about the Larestani in its "Lār, Lāristān" entry.
• The Encyclopaedia Islamica contains some information about the Larestani in its Baḥrayn (Bahrain) entry.
• The "BANDAR-E LENGA" entry of the Encyclopaedia Iranica contains 1 sentence about the Huwala.

Some papers in JSTOR also briefly mention the Huwala[32] and Larestani[33], but this is really all I could find. Our best bet would be to wait for the Encyclopaedia Islamica, the Encyclopaedia of Islam (third edition), and/or Encyclopaedia Iranica to publish entries focused on these groups.

- LouisAragon (talk) 22:37, 17 June 2019 (UTC)

For Persian Sunnis in southern Iran, I found the following article [34]; although it has quite a few factual issues, the following excerpt is pretty insightful:

>There are few, if any, documents that shed light on how a large number of Persians remained devoted to the Sunni faith during the forced conversion that began more than five hundred years ago. Did they flee to distant areas to escape conversion, or was the central government unable to reach them because they lived in remote parts of the country?

>“Generally, both the above happened,” said Sheikh Abdulkarim. “We assume they mostly fled to remote and uninhabitable areas, such as here, because they were not within the reach of the Safavid army. Historically, security was assured in places where life was difficult.”

Basically, the land beyond the Zagros was less accessible for the Safavids, so their forced conversion wasn't effective there. Many Persian Sunnis from the rest of the country also fled there for safety. Those people are today known as Larestanis, basically with their own Persian dialect and Sunni faith, inhabiting southern Fars and western Hormozgan.

Huwala are a different people though; Arabs from the peninsula who arrived starting in 16th century (mostly in 18th though). The emirates they set up in Bushehr and Hormozgan were in the 18th century, after fall of the Safavids (Arab wiki has articles on those I believe). Some assimilated with the locals and stayed (a few hundred thousand today in Bushehr/Hormozgan provinces), many returned back south (plenty of Gulf Arabs have ancestors from Iran, probably most of them are Huwala ancestors though). - Qahramani44 (talk) 04:29, 18 June 2019 (UTC)

LouisAragon (talk · contribs) and Qahramani44 (talk · contribs), thank you very much! Those are really interesting findings. Thank you for mentioning them here and bringing them to my attention. I am interested in reading about the Larestanis, their dialect, and history. If you come across more sources, don't hesitate to let me know. Thanks! Wikiemirati (talk) 21:05, 18 June 2019 (UTC)

@Wikiemirati: Found some more sources, written by a well-known Iranologist.[35]-[36]-[37] - LouisAragon (talk) 21:55, 14 August 2019 (UTC)

New Article

Hello, I found a new article that was created three days ago here [38], its quite a sensitive article (deals with history of Khuzestan), especially given that quite a bit of the content is either unsourced or uses sources that are difficult to verify (early 20th century British sources in particular). Even for the sources the creator linked, the wording in the article is altered from the source to suit an Arab nationalist POV. I tried improving it a bit, but I don't quite have the time/energy to rework it all on my own or check every source the creator linked (got partway through this one which is 350 pages long [39]), was wondering if you or anyone else you know could help improve the article as well, would greatly appreciate it. - Qahramani44 (talk) 19:49, 06 July 2019 (UTC)

@Qahramani44: Hi there. I'd say if there is pov/unsourced content then it should just be removed. I'm not really interested in the article and its story, thus I unfortunately gotta say that I can't help with this one. Thanks for notifying me btw. --HistoryofIran (talk) 00:04, 8 July 2019 (UTC)

For your info :)

It was hashed to bits as recently as last month. All the best! ——SerialNumber54129 09:24, 12 July 2019 (UTC)

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Merv

Hello! My change in the Merv article saying that ancient Merv is now located near the current Turkmen city of Bayramaly was reverted. I live in Turmenistan and visited Ancient Merv a number of times, it is located in the outskirts of the Turkmen city Bayramaly, which is nearly 25 km from the city of Mary. I hope my change will be added back into the article. Thanks! Bayram A (talk) 06:28, 4 August 2019 (UTC)

If you open the Wikipedia article about the city of Bayaramaly, it clearly says that Ancient Merv is localed near this city Bayram A (talk) 09:37, 4 August 2019 (UTC)

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Hi, I totally didn't see your reverts in that article. I didn't get any notification and that article isn't in my watchlist. Did you undo my edit in a regular way or did you click on earlier version then edit then publish? I haven't received any revert notification recently and I fear that the reverting notification isn't working with me. Thanks.--SharabSalam (talk) 19:58, 7 August 2019 (UTC)

Well, I work in magic ways. Anyways, conversations (and many other things) in ancient sources should be taken with a grain of salt. The majority of the stuff you've 'written' here [40] is the stuff of legends and most likely didn't happen (and also should be removed, that is if it's to be a proper article). --HistoryofIran (talk) 20:28, 7 August 2019 (UTC)

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Congrats!

Congratulations on getting Boran to GA, splendid work! ;-) - LouisAragon (talk) 21:55, 17 August 2019 (UTC)

Thanks bruv, one of my first goals on Wikipedia was to make the two Sasanian sisters GA. Hopefully Khosrow I next :). --HistoryofIran (talk) 22:05, 17 August 2019 (UTC)

Awesome!! - LouisAragon (talk) 16:14, 18 August 2019 (UTC)

An interesting read

Recently decided to reopen James R. Russell's Zoroastrianism in Armenia.[41] Other than it being an excellent work, I stumbled across some newer works dealing with the same matter, which I thought were pretty interesting as well. Some excerpts:

• "There are two very important exceptions to this general pattern of the spread of Zoroastrianism: It is certain that the Armenians and the Georgians (or Iberians) were Zoroastrians before they converted to Christianity. This is not an obvious fact to everyone; on the contrary, it has been (and continues to be) bitterly opposed, especially by Armenian and Georgian scholars, who prefer to think of the pre-Christian religions of the Armenians and Georgians as chiefly “local” or “indigenous” traditions, which accommodated some Iranian elements (Ananikian 1925). They are aided in this interpretation by the fact that the (Christian) Armenian and Georgian sources rarely, if at all, identify the religion of their ancestors before their conversion to Christianity as “Zoroastrianism.” These sources either prefer seemingly neutral terms (such as “the religion of our forefathers”) or polemical ones (“heathenism”), but do not label the reli-gion as “Iranian” or “Zoroastrian.” Where these terms occur, they refer to the religion of the Persians, chiefly of the Persians as enemies of the Christian Armenians. This fact in itself, while undeniable, is not compelling; on the contrary, it seems to be in harmony with the selfidentifications of most of the Iranians; the wide spread of the term “Zoroastrian” is of post-Sasanian date and even “Mazda-worshipping” is mainly used in limited (e.g., imperial and liturgical) contexts. Iranian Zoroastrians seem to have been identified after the Iranian land they came from (Persians, Parthians, Sogdians, etc.), with the Zoroastrian element of their identity selfunderstood."

• "Historically, the first trace of an Armenian polity is the inclusion of the satrapy of Armina in the Achaemenid Empire."

• "From the period of Alexander to the downfall and partition of the kingdom(s) of Armenia between Sasanian Persia and the Byzantine Empire, Armenia is usually presented as a battle-zone between the two superpowers of the ancient world (Iran in the East and Greeks and Romans in the West). While this is true politically, it is not a very promising perspective culturally, for Armenia and the Armenians clearly and unequivocally participated in Iranian culture."

• "Recently, intensive archaeological study of various sites in the eastern half of Georgia has strengthened the case for a very early inclusion of Iberia in the Iranian political and cultural realm (Knauss 2006), and, like the Armenian sources, Georgian historical sources present a variety of evidence for a long period of intimate interaction between Georgian and Iranian culture. In both cases, this interaction continued after the (early) conversion of the kingdoms to Christianity. The conversion of the Iberian king Mirian III (with his realm) is traditionally dated to the year 337 CE. Georgia too was ruled by families with an Iranian ancestry (Persian and Parthian), who participated in the Iranian dynastic network that dominated the eastern half of the ancient world from Alexander to the end of antiquity."

-- Albert de Jong (2015) "Armenian and Georgian Zoroastrianism" in The Wiley Blackwell Companion to Zoroastrianism; Michael Stausberg, Yuhan Sohrab-Dinshaw Vevaina; Anna Tessmann (ed). John Wiley And Sons Ltd. pp. 119-128[42]

- LouisAragon (talk) 16:13, 18 August 2019 (UTC)

@LouisAragon: Couldn't have said it better myself. I cringe everytime I see pre-Christian Armenian/Georgian wiki articles (aka 99% of articles) stating that some sort of "local Paganism" was worshipped there. While it is true that they generally didn't practice the "orthodox" variant of the Sasanian priesthood, they still practiced Zoroastrianism nonetheless. --HistoryofIran (talk) 16:53, 18 August 2019 (UTC)

Spot on. Tbh, its the most important reason why no one wanted to touch these articles. Not even with a 10ft pole. Even anno 2019, these factoids remain a pill too big to swallow for many. - LouisAragon (talk) 17:15, 18 August 2019 (UTC)

@LouisAragon: Well, we gotta start sometime, and somewhere. Perhaps Mirian III of Iberia? even though he was a Mihranid from Iran proper he is described as a "pagan" (and in the category as well, lol). --HistoryofIran (talk) 02:07, 20 August 2019 (UTC)

We all wuz pagans 'n shiiet... Great suggestion, I will add it to my to-do list. Btw, I was wondering, would you be willing to create an article about the office of Bidaxs/Pitiakhsh? - LouisAragon (talk) 16:35, 20 August 2019 (UTC)

Just sent you some new material in relation to Kavad I and Adurbadagan. - LouisAragon (talk) 17:56, 27 August 2019 (UTC)

@LouisAragon: Awesome, thanks mate. The Sasanian-Caucasian articles are in dire need of expansion indeed. --HistoryofIran (talk) 18:12, 27 August 2019 (UTC)

They surely do. - LouisAragon (talk) 22:49, 29 August 2019 (UTC)

@LouisAragon: Btw [43]. Not sure if you've already sent me this. There's more [44]. --HistoryofIran (talk) 03:37, 5 September 2019 (UTC)

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@Vanamonde93: Not gonna lie, I don't really get it lol. Anyhow, if it helps to reduce the constant pov-pushing then thank the heavens u guys are finally taking action. Only took a few years. --HistoryofIran (talk) 01:06, 20 August 2019 (UTC)

Better late than never; but what is it you don't get? Vanamonde (Talk) 01:08, 20 August 2019 (UTC)

Well, it's a combination of my brain being a bit dead due to lack of sleep, and that I've never really been arsed to delve into how Wikipedia sanctions/boards and that all work. Is this some kind of watchlist over said editors or are these actual real sanctions being implemented that somehow restrict the freedom of said users in post-1978 Iranian politics stuff? --HistoryofIran (talk) 01:12, 20 August 2019 (UTC)

The details of how this works are at WP:GS. Essentially, this authorizes admins to impose individual or page-level sanctions at their discretion, ie without needing community consensus first, when the behavior of editors falls below expected standards. In practice, this means that those standards are stricter than they would be elsewhere. So, if you're editing within policy; you're not restricted at all; if you're not, you can expect a sanction soon. I hope that helps. Best, Vanamonde (Talk) 15:42, 20 August 2019 (UTC)

@Vanamonde93: I see, hopefully it shouldn't be easy to WP:GAME. --HistoryofIran (talk) 16:02, 20 August 2019 (UTC)

@Vanamonde93: Btw, could you please take a look at this [45] [46] --HistoryofIran (talk) 22:57, 22 August 2019 (UTC)

I have blocked the IP address, because their behavior was terrible. For future reference, though; please also warn disruptive editors when you revert them, using the escalating five-level warnings; and if they have received a final warning, report them to WP:AIV. Vanamonde (Talk) 23:27, 22 August 2019 (UTC)

@Vanamonde93: Well, where can I find the template for the five-level warnings? --HistoryofIran (talk) 19:01, 3 September 2019 (UTC)

Twinkle does it for you, you just have to pick the level of the warning you want to post on disruptive editors' talk pages. Do you use Twinkle ?---Wikaviani ^{(talk) (contribs)} 19:10, 3 September 2019 (UTC)

As Wikaviani said, Twinkle makes this process a lot easier; but if you're disinclined to use it, the relevant templates should all be listed at Wikipedia:Template_messages/User_talk_namespace/Multi-level_templates. Please take care to use the right one, regardless of whether you use twinkle or not. Vanamonde (Talk) 20:55, 3 September 2019 (UTC)

Wrong button?

Hey, i guess you reverted me while i had reverted the IP who was making unsourced changes. No worries though, but please take a look at your last revert at King of kings to be sure that this was what you meant to do. Cheers.---Wikaviani ^{(talk) (contribs)} 01:37, 20 August 2019 (UTC)

Think we reverted at the same time or I accidentally saw the IP's name instead of yours. Anyhow I've restored it now. --HistoryofIran (talk) 01:38, 20 August 2019 (UTC)

Ah, ok, thanks.---Wikaviani ^{(talk) (contribs)} 01:40, 20 August 2019 (UTC)

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Iranian rulers in the Persian Wikipedi

Hi dear HistoryofIran,
First, please accept my apologies for the delay. Due to your discussion with Ladsgroup about Iranian rulers in the Persian Wikipedia, If you still want to collaborate, email me. Best regards -- ImanFakhri^Talk 02:06, 10 September 2019 (UTC)

@ImanFakhri: Hi mate. I've mailed you. --HistoryofIran (talk) 10:18, 10 September 2019 (UTC)

Kavad I for OTD

Hello. Do you think you will be done with your editing of Kavad I before 13 September (UTC)? I was thinking of adding the article to the list of births/deaths for WP:Selected anniversaries/September 13. If yes, I just need citations for his date of death and for the family tree. If not, then I will find another article to feature. Thanks. —howcheng {chat} 23:23, 10 September 2019 (UTC)

@Howcheng: Hi. Yes I believe so. The source for his date of death is at [49] (chapter XXI, which I will add in the main text shortly). But I don't really see the necessity of adding citations on his family tree? --HistoryofIran (talk) 23:31, 10 September 2019 (UTC)

The way I see it, a family tree is a statement of fact, that person A is a descendant person B. Thus, it should be cited. You can see discussion about this at Wikipedia talk:Featured article candidates/archive69#References for Ancestry sections. Thanks. —howcheng {chat} 23:42, 10 September 2019 (UTC)

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Thank you mate :). --HistoryofIran (talk) 22:40, 11 September 2019 (UTC)

Edits

Hi HistoryofIran. You have to be a bit more tolerant of the edits of others. You keep reverting me in these articles. For example, I'm afraid not showing the Kushan type coins of Hormizd is a disservice to the reader. And millions of Wikipedia articles have galleries, there no rule against these (especially a small gallery of three photographs...). Best पाटलिपुत्र Pat (talk) 19:55, 15 September 2019 (UTC)

Well, I am. I don't mean to be mean/rude, but I'm not the first editor to revert you when it comes to too many images. Also, two of the images you added were practically the same. If you want to add it, then please do so in a more thorough way. I've just re-added one of the coins. --HistoryofIran (talk) 19:58, 15 September 2019 (UTC)

That was precisely my point, this article lacks key visual information which is otherwise discussed in the article... like "deity Oēšo (Shiva) on the reverse"... what does this mean if you can't visualize it???... Thanks for the correction.पाटलिपुत्र Pat (talk) 20:06, 15 September 2019 (UTC)

@पाटलिपुत्र: I'm sure we could get a few more lines of space for a extra image if we for starters remove the huge block of text in the image description and added it in the main text with a reliable source (like Peroz I Kushanshah, where the part regarding his coin mints fills 5 lines). Anyways the Hormizd I Kushanshah article is far from complete, there's still more to be added. --HistoryofIran (talk) 20:15, 15 September 2019 (UTC)

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Conquests

That was fast! ... and sorry for meddling into this stuff, but it had been bothering me for a while. Best पाटलिपुत्र Pat (talk) 15:47, 16 September 2019 (UTC)

Yes I am briefly jobless and thus have no life atm. --HistoryofIran (talk) 15:49, 16 September 2019 (UTC)

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Peroz III Kushanshah

Peroz III Kushanshah, rather than a Kushano-Sasanian, actually seems to be one of the first Kidarite rulers according to recent sources, quite unanimously it seems. I guess we are going to have to rename him something like Peroz (Kidarite). What do you think? पाटलिपुत्र Pat (talk) 06:58, 17 September 2019 (UTC)

@पाटलिपुत्र: If there is a general consensus amongst scholars that he was Kidarite, then suer. If it is a possibility and remains uncertain, then no. --HistoryofIran (talk) 09:41, 17 September 2019 (UTC)

Just to clarify, even your preferred and most recent source Khodadad Rezakhani affirms it as a settled fact now: "Kidara and a certain Peroz (previously called Peroz 3; Cribb 1990"), the first Kidarite authorities". Also "the "Kidarite" ruler Peroz (III)" "Peroz, Kidarite king, c ad 360" "In the Punjab the stylistic progression of the gold series from Kushan to Kidarite is clear: imitation staters were issued first in the name of Samudragupta,'25 then by Kirada, 'Peroz' and finally Kidara" Do you have recent sources that actually dispute this notion? पाटलिपुत्र Pat (talk) 11:18, 17 September 2019 (UTC)

If thats the case then go ahead. I'm not too interested to delve into it tbh, I trust that you know what you're doing. HistoryofIran (talk)

@पाटलिपुत्र: Btw, I'm really beginning to doubt that the Kushano-Sasanians ruled Sogdia, since recent sources don't seem to indicate that, and also due to the fact that Sogdia and Bactria/Tukharistan were separated by the Oxus river, making it a rather awkward area to rule for the Kushano-Sasanians, whose northern extent seems to have been Tukharistan and Merv. --HistoryofIran (talk) 23:55, 17 September 2019 (UTC)

Good question. I don't know at this point, except for the fact that they minted coins in Merv as well as Balkh, which suggests some sort of territorial control in the vicinity, but not necessarily. In a related matter, I also don't know what to do with this map, which shows the Kushano-Sasanians entrenched in Sindh after the arrival of the Kidarites, circa 400 (!).पाटलिपुत्र Pat (talk) 04:18, 18 September 2019 (UTC)

@पाटलिपुत्र: Yeah a lot of this style of maps are heavily inaccurate. Also, Ardashir II Kushanshah and Varahran II Kushanshah doesn't seem to have existed, at least per recent sources such as Cribb and Rezakhani, thoughts? (btw I say we should mainly try to use new sources that actually specialize in this field, thus not Mehrdad Kia, and the Cambridge History of Iran is pretty outtdated nowadays). --HistoryofIran (talk) 05:15, 18 September 2019 (UTC)

Coin captions

In high quality articles, it is standard practice to add as a caption detailed descriptions of the coins being shown (see for example Cleopatra). Why? Because when commenting about the details of a coin, nothing beats having the text right next to image, rather than drowned somewhere in the body of the article. It is generally not a good idea to separate a text from its illustration... पाटलिपुत्र Pat (talk) 10:56, 17 September 2019 (UTC)

Yes it is like that on Cleopatra, but at the same time it's not like that on many other articles. I would say it ultimately depends on the article. In an article regarding a obscure figure we barely have any information about, it would be better to have it the main text. If the reader actually reads the article, I'm sure the image makes sense as well. Also no need to make the images go above 300, I'm sure the readers won't miss them. --HistoryofIran (talk) 18:11, 17 September 2019 (UTC)

I'm afraid this is not the way it is normally done. The standard practice is to use the body of the article to describe the analysis and conclusions made by historians in a literary fashion, but to use coin captions to make a purely factual, non verbiose, description of the content of the coins in question, with a standard Obverse/ Reverse description of the coin devices, attached to the image. This is the only way you can properly identify and show the location of the devices discussed in the body of the article. Detailed captions might not be necessary in articles where coins do not play a major role and can only be used as illustration, but precise coin descriptions are important for rulers such as the Kushano-Sasanians, because we basically only know these guys from their coinage. Most deductions of historians about their rule is based on their coinage: the scripts they used, the legends, the symbols and their position, the costumes... I'll try to make it more compact though. पाटलिपुत्र Pat (talk) 04:27, 18 September 2019 (UTC)

Well I disagree regarding this so called standard practice part. I have myself no problem in the front and reverse being described in brief detail in the image description (which is what I usually see on articles and do myself) whilst the more detailed stuff is in the main text. Imho this works much better, especially for very short articles, where there is barely space for a single image. --HistoryofIran (talk) 05:05, 18 September 2019 (UTC)

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Hormizd II Kushanshah

Hormazd Kushanshah II coin

Hi History of Iran. The coin you have uploaded for Hormizd II Kushanshah is actually a non-Commercial license, so you'll have to delete it from Commons. However I've found this one. Photographically it's less perfect, but the details of the coin are actually better, especially the crown. Not too bad for a bronze coin of this little known ruler... पाटलिपुत्र Pat (talk) 10:18, 21 September 2019 (UTC)

@पाटलिपुत्र: Wut, from my understanding, it's no different from the other coins uploaded from the site, such as [50]? --HistoryofIran (talk) 10:23, 21 September 2019 (UTC)

If you look at the bottom of the page it says "All images licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial 4.0 International License.". So it's impossible to use of Wiki (sadly) ... पाटलिपुत्र Pat (talk) 10:25, 21 September 2019 (UTC)

@पाटलिपुत्र: I see, but at the same time it says it says "public domain mark" and "no copyright" under rights. @LouisAragon: thoughts? --HistoryofIran (talk) 10:28, 21 September 2019 (UTC)

I see, it might just be the secondary site Mantis that places non-commercial licences on its content... we'd have to find under what status the American Numismatic Society actually releases its images. I'm not aware that their content is free, but I'll try to check. पाटलिपुत्र Pat (talk) 10:42, 21 September 2019 (UTC)

So... Mantis is apparently the database service of the American Numismatics Society. They place all their content under a CC4.0 non-commercial licence. But indeed, some of the coins on their site have this mention "public domain mark" (sic) and "no copyright", which, by the way, is not a legal format at all. I agree it's a bit of a mystery. The individual notices probably superseed the global one... पाटलिपुत्र Pat (talk) 11:11, 21 September 2019 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

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	For your tireless and continuous protection of Wikipedia from vandalism Alivardi (talk) 20:19, 22 September 2019 (UTC)

You really deserve it. I honestly don't know where you get the patience to always deal with these idiots.
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Thank you! Tbh I really don't know it myself ;). --HistoryofIran (talk) 22:35, 22 September 2019 (UTC)

Varahran I Kushanshah

Hi HistoryofIran. I am trying to reconcile the presence of Shapur II in the east, and the fact that the Kidarites minted silver coins of Varahran I Kushanshah in Gandhara (Cribb, 2018, p.23). Could it be that Shapur II's base was really around the Kabul region (as suggested by mints, also Cribb), or that he just made a very brief foray into Gandhara at one point? In case you're interested... पाटलिपुत्र Pat (talk) 09:00, 23 September 2019 (UTC)

@पाटलिपुत्र: Varahran I did not rule in Gandhara, that seems pretty clear to me. It could just be the Kidarites that circulated their coins in Tukharistan to Gandhara. Shapur II's main base was at Kabulistan, however he did for some time rule Gandhara, as stated by ancient and modern sources. Also, please see the Kidarite source I sent - the Kidarites continued the role of Kushano-Sasanians at least under Shapur II. Perhaps [51] could be of use as well. Also for the love of everything that's holy please read Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Images - some of the other articles I've been editing lately such as Darius I had image spam added by you as well, it's getting tiring to clean up after. --HistoryofIran (talk) 14:06, 23 September 2019 (UTC)

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Hi HistoryofIran, I thought you had done quite enough on King Phraates to warrant the article being GA. Shorter articles can clearly be rated as GA (have a quick look at Ricberht of East Anglia, my article about a man who may have king of a small obscure country, and of which almost nothing at all is known). Best wishes, and keep up the flow of GANs, Amitchell125 (talk) 20:42, 30 September 2019 (UTC)

I see, once again thank you very much for your avid reviews! Really appreciate it. --HistoryofIran (talk) 20:55, 30 September 2019 (UTC)

Revert for small changes in iranian history

Sorry about earlier, im new on wikipedia and not really familiar with the features yet. Anyways the main point is, since the safavid empire is considered as a persian empire by many authentic scholars it therefore make sense they had persian ancestry along with kurdish. Same thing goes for other dynasties considered as persian empires such as qajars and afsharids. Many of iranian dynasties are included on turkic history page which shouldn't be there, as the persianated term suggest they were identified with persian language and culture, so these dynasties are associated with iranian people more than turkic. About the sources, since in every article it suggests that safavids, afshars and qajars are regarded as persian empire, then they definetly had persian ancestry as well. Persianated societies are mainly concentrated on iranian culture and language as well, the roots doesn't really give the reader clear idea as in every page of these dynasties it starts with *persianised turkic state*, isn't persianised simply means they were indeed persian and hold the identity as well? Please correct me if you have different perspective about this. Mohammed bushehri (talk) 21:57, 4 October 2019 (UTC)

Sorry, but I don't have time to teach you about Iranian history and how Wikipedia works. Please read the rules (such as Wikipedia:No original research), they will help you. --HistoryofIran (talk) 23:31, 4 October 2019 (UTC)

Well, i didn't ask for historical lecture about my people's history. My concern was in what way my argument regarding persianised states is wrong as the term itself refers to recognising persian identity of the dynasty. Thank you for the response anyways. Mohammed bushehri (talk) 00:08, 5 October 2019 (UTC)

@Mohammed bushehri: I see, good day to you sir. --HistoryofIran (talk) 01:31, 5 October 2019 (UTC)

Shapur I

Hello HistoryofIran! First of all, thanks for the new image you provided us. I hope we find soon better images to substitute the others ones not so good I used before. Now, about this edition, according to Alram, Michael (2008). «Early Sasanian Coinage». In: Curtis, Vesta Sarkhosh; Stewart, Sarah. The Sasanian Era - The Idea of Iran Volume III. Londres; Nova Iorque: I.B.Tauris & Co. Ltd., Shapur used on his inscriptions the title of king of kings of Aryans and non-Aryans. Hormizd I, on the other hand, only took the title and used on coins. The creator was Shapur I. Cheers.--Renato de carvalho ferreira (talk) 01:21, 5 October 2019 (UTC)

Oh, I see. Thanks for clearing that up mate. Hope all is well! --HistoryofIran (talk) 01:23, 5 October 2019 (UTC)

Kavad I

Hello:

Let me know when you are finished working on Kavad I and I will continue the copy edit requested from the Guild of Copy Editors.

Thank you Twofingered Typist (talk) 19:17, 7 October 2019 (UTC)

Sure thing, thank you. --HistoryofIran (talk) 19:21, 7 October 2019 (UTC)

@HistoryofIran: Do you think you could fill in the Edit Summary field when you make an edit? It's can be really helpful for other editors. Thanks. Twofingered Typist (talk) 12:22, 8 October 2019 (UTC)

Masih Alinejad

Can you show a link that actually works rather than one that gets an error 404. The site says the article doesn't exist. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Alexbahman (talk • contribs) 13:14, 8 October 2019 (UTC)

@Alexbahman: Huh? All you have to do is to click on the link [52]. Are you done? Or shall I report you for removal of sourced information and edit warring? --HistoryofIran (talk) 14:43, 8 October 2019 (UTC)

@HistoryofIran: no need to issue threats. All you have to do is click on the link, as I did. After 5 seconds or so, the article vanishes. The site instead says error 404, the article doesn't exist. --AlexBahman — Preceding unsigned comment added by Alexbahman (talk • contribs) 18:02, 8 October 2019 (UTC)

@Alexbahman: The article does exist though. This sounds more like a problem with your computer. You need a subscription to view the whole text, however. --HistoryofIran (talk) 18:53, 8 October 2019 (UTC)

@HistoryofIran: I've registered with the site. I've used multiple computers. The site says error 404. No such article exists. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Alexbahman (talk • contribs) 03:59, 9 October 2019 (UTC)

Actually the article did exist but is now been deleted by the newspaper in question.

• copyvio removed

@Alexbahman:, I find it very odd that a "new user" called user:WhiteWednesdays arrives to continue your edit war with HistoryofIran. FYI, using a sock to edit war can result in a block or ban, so do not be surprised if "someone" files an SPI(sockpuppet investigation) on you and this "new user". --Kansas Bear (talk) 04:27, 9 October 2019 (UTC)

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Shah Mohammad Hussain

Hello my friend, I searched a few sites to complete the list of Safavid kings. I have a strange case of Shah Mohammad Hussein who ruled in Mazandaran from 1750 to 1757. Do you have information about this king? http://www.royalark.net/Persia/safawi5.htm This is also the site link — Preceding unsigned comment added by 5.124.27.171 (talk) 11:56, 10 October 2019 (UTC)

Hi, that site is not an academic source, and thus isn't considered reliable. --HistoryofIran (talk) 11:58, 10 October 2019 (UTC)

Hi Do you know the name of Sultan Hussein's mother? Whatever I look for in the sources is not the name of this woman. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 5.123.231.72 (talk) 13:11, 27 October 2019 (UTC)

I don't know. --HistoryofIran (talk) 14:01, 27 October 2019 (UTC)

Kavad I

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Quite an improvement, thank you very much! Appreciate it. --HistoryofIran (talk) 23:34, 11 October 2019 (UTC)

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Greek form of Khwarazm

Out of curiosity, why did you not want to include the Greek form of the name for Khwarazm, which explains the term Chorasmia in English? I thought it was odd that only that transliteration had been deleted.

Edit: think I figured it out--- the Greek is included in the Names section.

TheLateDentarthurdent (talk) 18:22, 24 October 2019 (UTC)

It's not significant enough to be in the lead. Etymology section, however, is fine - I usually add Greek transliterations myself in sections like that. --HistoryofIran (talk) 21:47, 24 October 2019 (UTC)

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Sanandaj

Dear friend, these are the only resourc you do not accept, so what is the solution? Alijamal1357 (talk) 22:18, 15 November 2019 (UTC)

STOP spamming me. I'm not here to educate you about how this site works. Read WP:RELIABILITY and leave my talk page alone. Keep spamming me and I will report you. --HistoryofIran (talk) 22:22, 15 November 2019 (UTC)

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Qizil Arslan

Can you exactly explain how it isn't an improvement. Qızıl has not the same meaning with Turkish word "kızıl" which means red, but means gold in Azerbaijani and other Turkic languages. Beshogur (talk) 22:15, 25 November 2019 (UTC)

He is called the "red lion" by Ibn al-Athir. --HistoryofIran (talk) 22:17, 25 November 2019 (UTC)

Yes I made a research, found same thing. Sorry for disturbing. Beshogur (talk) 22:21, 25 November 2019 (UTC)

No need to apologize. I should have added a citation back then. --HistoryofIran (talk) 22:23, 25 November 2019 (UTC)

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Wut? --HistoryofIran (talk) 10:58, 10 December 2019 (UTC)

Phraates III

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Woah, that was fast. Thank you very much! --HistoryofIran (talk) 19:12, 11 December 2019 (UTC)

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Thank you very much mate, and likewise :). --HistoryofIran (talk) 12:29, 21 December 2019 (UTC)

Dokhtar Castle

Hello my english is not good، I wrote in Persian as if you were not eager to reply، I transferred this article That you didn't agree with، I transferred again Without knowing the reason! Can you explain to me؟ Thank you M.k.m2003 (talk) 15:36, 26 December 2019 (UTC)

Did you read my edit summary? You moved the article without any form of discussion. Please don't revert and instead try to reach consensus on the talk page of the article, thanks. --HistoryofIran (talk) 15:37, 26 December 2019 (UTC)

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Thank you very much, and likewise :D. --HistoryofIran (talk) 15:47, 28 December 2019 (UTC)

Beth Aramaye and Asoristan

Hello HistoryofIran. First of all, late Happy New Year's wishes. That you might contribute as much as you already did. My point now is about Asoristan and Beth Aramaye. Cross-checking the Irannica articles, it seems we are talking about the same thing, but with different names. Āsōristān, in Aramaic called Bēṯ Aramāyē, was largely identical with the old country of Babylonia. and BĒṮ ĀRAMAYĒ, lit. “land of the Arameans,” the region and Sasanian province of Āsōristān. The article Asoristan already mentions the association of both names. I don't see, in the case, any good reason to have a separate article to Beth Aramaye.--Renato de carvalho ferreira (talk) 01:14, 7 January 2020 (UTC)

I see, thanks for notifying me. And Happy New Year to you as well :). --HistoryofIran (talk) 07:13, 7 January 2020 (UTC)

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Edit warrior

Hey, just to let you know that i'm filing a report about the edit warrior busy reverting you and me without providing reliable source. I think it's better that none of us reverts him again in order to avoid getting blocked along with him. Take care.---Wikaviani ^{(talk) (contribs)} 20:18, 2 February 2020 (UTC)

@Wikaviani: Strangely enough, he has done this on many articles for seemingly some time, yet it seems we just noticed now. These articles for example [53] [54] [55] --HistoryofIran (talk) 20:19, 2 February 2020 (UTC)

ah, i see, thank you for letting me know about that. Do you want me to add those links to the report i made : [56] or do you want to proceed ?---Wikaviani ^{(talk) (contribs)} 20:39, 2 February 2020 (UTC)

@Wikaviani: Sure, go ahead. Also, have you seen this? [57] --HistoryofIran (talk) 20:44, 2 February 2020 (UTC)

Wow, that's quite strange how this editor shows lack of knowledge about WP:RS while he's quite experienced ... I will copy paste your above links showing clear disruption. Thanks.---Wikaviani ^{(talk) (contribs)} 20:49, 2 February 2020 (UTC)

@Wikaviani: Any suggestions on how to deal with this [58]? Where would be the suitable place to take this issue? --HistoryofIran (talk) 21:40, 2 February 2020 (UTC)

This user sounds like a WP:LTA case. Since they made a report about you, i think the best thing to do is to reply at ANI and request a WP:Boomerang. I will also leave a comment there, since their edits on Shah Ismail are highly disruptive.---Wikaviani ^{(talk) (contribs)} 23:56, 2 February 2020 (UTC)

CNG

Hey man. I was wondering; how can I upload CNG coins in a "large" size, like we used to back in the day? It seems the website has received some sort of update recently, which prevents me from uploading them this way (i.e. only allowing me to upload them in a so-called smaller version). - LouisAragon (talk) 18:47, 22 February 2020 (UTC)

PS: Did you see this edit?[59] Not saying its necessarily an erroneous change, but the border on the map was moved to the east without clarification. - LouisAragon (talk) 18:53, 22 February 2020 (UTC)

@LouisAragon: Well, I always just click on the coin image to make it larger before I download it. Works with most coins. Yeah, I can see that the eastern borders have gotten a bit larger. Seems like it was an attempt to make it preciely look like [60], albeit with a bit higher quality map, where the eastern borders were accidentally increased a little bit I guess? Ultimately the Parthian Empire article needs a proper high quality (and more accurate) map, just like the Achaemenid and Sasanian Empires. --HistoryofIran (talk) 19:09, 22 February 2020 (UTC)

@LouisAragon:@HistoryofIran: Hi guys. I made the improved map, but I just stretched the borders of the green territory of the previous map to fit the new background in ortho projection (standard cylindrical projection), whereas the previous background was in round projection, very rarely used for maps due to its inaccuracy. So, I did not move the actual borders (they are exactly the same in respect to locations on the ground), it is just that the map projection is different. By the way, the ortho projection is preferred to show territories. पाटलिपुत्र Pat (talk) 19:16, 22 February 2020 (UTC)

For some reason, it just doesn't seem to work for me anymore. I can only save the image in the smaller version. Could you perhaps send me a random URL link of an enlarged CNG coin pic? - LouisAragon (talk) 21:54, 27 February 2020 (UTC)

@LouisAragon: There are some new coin types being uploaded which can't be enlarged, such as this one [61]. With those, you'll have to click 'go to live' and download the enlarged version. Anyways, here's a link [62]. --HistoryofIran (talk) 22:06, 27 February 2020 (UTC)

Mithridates II of Parthia Harv Errors

You might already know this and if you do then just ignore my message. However I am suspicious you do not know of the Harv Error tool available from the Help Desk. Then you can see the many Harv Errors you made on the article. For example, I think you meant "sfn|Bivar|1983|page=135-136" for the template. AND all the sources you use have to be used in the article someplace as an "sfn" or you will get this. and this. --Doug Coldwell (talk)

@Doug Coldwell: Well, I didn't know of the Harv Error tool (which seems to be quite useful, so thanks for that), but I did know that I accidentally added some citations that don't point to any source, which I can't seem to find. I must have added the wrong date/author (such as Bivar, I don't think he is the author of that citation) for the citations. Regarding the source section, I usually remove the unused sources after I'm done expanding the article. Anyways, the article generally needs a overhaul, which I plan to do so soon, now that I have a lot more sources regarding this person. --HistoryofIran (talk) 13:36, 28 February 2020 (UTC)

Yes, I can see you have uncovered a lot of sources. Good luck on the upgrading. I have upgraded my last two articles I created and plan on submitting for Good Article nomination soon. One is on General Raymond W. Bliss, who developed the first radioactive isotope laboratory for the Army. The other is on William Morrison (chemist), who invented the electric car. --Doug Coldwell (talk) 13:45, 28 February 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for compliment. Please Check Arghun Aqa and Ata-Malik Juvayni for the following.

Atâ-Malek Juvayni's grandfather and his father, Baha al-Din, had held the post of sahib-divan or Minister of Finance for Muhammad Jalal al-Din and Ögedei Khan respectively. Baha al-Din also acted as deputy c. 1246 for his immediate superior, the emir Arghun, in which role he oversaw a large area including Kingdom of Georgia.

May I assume Arghun was Arghun Aqa? I am going ahead to add appropriate sentences as the information shows now in Muhammad Jalal al-Din and version(s) in other language if my time allows. Thanks -- Ktsquare (talk) 17:14, 29 February 2020 (UTC)

At the moment I am going to add interwiki links to articles only... Ktsquare (talk) 17:16, 29 February 2020 (UTC)

I dunno, maybe? I don't know much about the Ilkhanate period. --HistoryofIran (talk) 17:31, 29 February 2020 (UTC)

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Armenian history

Hey HistoryofIran! Thanks with the help on Artavasdes II page! It's been a while since I edited on wiki, but hopefully the skills will come back. :) I've seen you contributing to articles connected to Armenian history and would like to know do you have any specific plans for them? I'm thinking of going through articles with missing or little info or to add reliable sources. Would look forward to collaborating with you! Aram-van (talk) 05:34, 16 March 2020 (UTC)

@Aram-van: Hiya and welcome back. Atm I plan on fixing the confusing chronological mess from Khosrov I to Tiridates III, whose rulers have been confused with each other in many cases and dates are also in shambles. A lot of legendary information is also being used as if it really happened in that period, which is problematic. For example, Anak doesn't seem to have existed, a least not fully, he may have been an Arsacid prince of Armenia vilified (his name means "evil", obviously not a real name). Other than that, I guess I plan on expanding Artavasdes II of Armenia soon, since it's a bit easier finding high-quality sources regarding him due to his role in eastern politics. I would advise to be careful with which sources you are using, that is Soviet or Soviet-influenced sources, or just generally local historians, unless said source is highly acclaimed/seminal. For comparison, see many Azeri sources for example, who thanks to Soviet influence claim half the world is Azeri. Former Soviet countries seem to suffer from this issue to at least some degree. Not all Academia sources are reliable btw, try to see if the author you want to use has done some work with others in a prominent book or something. Also, a little disclaimer: it's inevitable to see Iranian (and later Greek influence) in pre-Islamic Armenian history. Also, the Armenian alphabet should only be added if it was indeed used by said person/dynasty during its lifetime, otherwise it's anachronistic. So if you see me removing the Armenian alphabet from somewhere, do keep in mind I would have done the same to any other article [63] [64]. --HistoryofIran (talk) 11:07, 16 March 2020 (UTC)

Thanks a lot for the answer! Yeah, you're doing excellent work and I do agree that the sources are a major concern. I've been trying to find some good source material for ancient Armenian history and I'll also be looking for respectable material in Russian and Armenian as well. That would be great if Artavasdes's article is expanded and I think it has good potential to be a template for articles on Armenian kings. Yeah, the Azeri problem is quite acute, but sometimes equally incredulous is the Armenian source material. Absolutely, the influence is undeniable and agreed on the alphabet usage only for the relevant timeframe. I hope there'll be a useful collaboration and I'm always open to discussions! Aram-van (talk) 14:23, 16 March 2020 (UTC)

Review request

Hello HistoryofIran, I'll give your request serious consideration. I certainly have spare time on my hands, as I am now very limited in the things I can do outside, due to government recommendations about travelling and visiting places. I hope you are keeping safe and well! Amitchell125 (talk) 20:43, 18 March 2020 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Pacorus II

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Sure thing, it's a tricky one to make with the Parthians, but I'll try. Those colours are also helping me lol. --HistoryofIran (talk) 22:41, 19 March 2020 (UTC)

Message regarding the Parthians

Hello HistoryofIran, I received a friendly message from one of the authors cited in Pacorus II, which can be read here, and which I thought you might appreciate. Regards, Amitchell125 (talk) 18:16, 22 March 2020 (UTC)

Hiya @Amitchell125:, I don't think I can see it, what is it supposed to be? --HistoryofIran (talk) 18:23, 22 March 2020 (UTC)

Here is the message, forgot you couldn't access it. Amitchell125 (talk) 19:38, 22 March 2020 (UTC)

"Andy Mitchell left a reason for downloading Epigraphy of Later Parthia, «Voprosy Epigrafiki: Sbornik statei», 7, 2013, pp. 276-284: I am reviewing the Wikipedia article 'Pacorus II', which cites this work.

Leonardo Gregoratti: Dear Andy that is an admirable work. There is a lot of mess on Wiki regarding the Parthians May I ask you please to keep me updated about your work on Parthians in Wiki? It is something that needs absolutely to be done you can write to me at DerGrego@googlemail.com. thanks Leo.

Andy Mitchell: Many thanks, I will pass your message onto the main editor of the article, who will I'm sure be just as grateful for your offer. Andrew.

@Amitchell125: Oh, that's pretty cool, I'll message him right away. Also mailed you back. --HistoryofIran (talk) 20:10, 22 March 2020 (UTC)

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Your GA nomination of Pacorus II

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Hello HistoryofIran, Do you need more time to address the issues I have raised? This GAN is in danger of being failed in the next few days. Amitchell125 (talk) 19:05, 30 March 2020 (UTC)

Hi @Amitchell125:. I'm not sure, I'll think I'll have all the issues fixed tonight or tomorrow. Been feeling a bit unmotivated due to quarantine, which is funny, because I have all the time in the world right now. --HistoryofIran (talk) 23:23, 30 March 2020 (UTC)

@Amitchell125: Actually, could I get some extra time? Don't think I have the energy to finish it tonight. --HistoryofIran (talk) 22:11, 31 March 2020 (UTC)

@HistoryofIran: I'm happy to give you any time you need. I'll contact you in two weeks to give you another 'nudge' if necessary, and I'll go ahead and deal with some of the smaller points that need sorting, if that's all right with you. All the best, Amitchell125 (talk) 07:57, 1 April 2020 (UTC)

Do you know a comprehensive book or textbook on the history of the Kushan Empire

Per this subject title, Kushan rose from some ashes of Greco-Bactrian and Indo-Greco kingdoms and fell prey to the Sasanids from its western border. Are there some comprehensive books on the Kushan? -- Ktsquare (talk) 03:51, 26 March 2020 (UTC)

@Ktsquare: Not that I know of sorry. However, I would say it's important to be watchful of when said Kushan-related work was released, since our knowledge regarding them is constantly evolving due to the lack of sources regarding them. --HistoryofIran (talk) 17:31, 26 March 2020 (UTC)

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Sabkshenasi-e Memari-e Irani

The sabks (styles) are all part of one single textbook and not widely accepted in Iranian academic world, therefore as it also happened in Persian Wikipedia I created the page for the book and merged all the sabks in here. I proposed the merge before but got no response. Of course the page still needs huge amount of work. Khenamothara (talk) 16:12, 2 April 2020 (UTC)

I doubt that. Reach consensus first before you do anything, that's how the rules work, ty. --HistoryofIran (talk) 16:12, 2 April 2020 (UTC)

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Adding images of coins

Thank you for your note. Please, why the images are irrelevant (as you have stated)? All of the images (coins) are pertinent to the Sassanian king (of the article), not a repetition nor of another king. In addition, the depiction of the king is different. Thank you. Regards Neuroforever (talk) 20:28, 8 April 2020 (UTC)

There is nothing special about those coins. There are already images of coins in the articles, especially Bahram II, which you even added more coins to. They are completely unnecessary. Mind you, these are Wikipedia articles, not image galleries. We have Wikimedia Commons for that. --HistoryofIran (talk) 20:32, 8 April 2020 (UTC)

So, the images are "relevant" to the kings and articles in question, but in your personal opinion, you think that those coins haven't added anything (completely unnecessary) in spite of being different and not taken from a public domain. I have not added so many images per article; only 1-2 images. Therefore, it was not a substitute for WikiCommons. I know what WikiCommons stands for. Neuroforever (talk) 20:49, 8 April 2020 (UTC)

Sorry but they're not different, they are basic coins, just worse looking. They don't bring anything new or interesting, and fill unnecessary space. --HistoryofIran (talk) 21:03, 8 April 2020 (UTC)

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Rome-Persia Merger

I have merged the text of the article Roman-Persian wars where I thought a few details were covered better by the longer wording at the old Byzantine-Sasanian wars page, but the article now remains a bit overlong somehow or other, and so if you'd like to review the way it stands, feel welcome. There are probably a few errors or duplications left over and possibly too many pictures/maps! GPinkerton (talk) 21:47, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

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Hetanism

You might want to take Modern Pagan and Native Faith Movements in Central and Eastern Europe, to the reliable sources board. On page 331, there are citations to wikipedia pages/articles which would violate Wikipedia policy.--Kansas Bear (talk) 18:54, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

Sorry I forgot to mention, hope you and your family are safe and healthy during these crazy times on this planet.--Kansas Bear (talk) 20:28, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

Thanks mate, we are good, fortunate to live in a great and caring country :). And likewise. --HistoryofIran (talk) 22:32, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

Ahasuerus, Esther, and Vashti

Hi, HistoryofIran, as you've noticed on the Xerxes article, some editors have persuaded themselves the Book of Esther represents something more than fiction. Perhaps you'd be interested in looking at the history and talk pages of Esther, Vashti, and Ahasuerus where the same fringe arguments and casuistry applied on the Xerxes article are employed to prove to themselves there was really a Jewish Achaemenid queen and Esther really existed. GPinkerton (talk) 20:42, 25 April 2020 (UTC)

Two interesting new titles

Two interesting new titles, both will be published later this year.[65]-[66] I presume the first one will really assist us in bringing stuff related to the Kingdom of Pontus to GA and beyond. - LouisAragon (talk) 00:26, 1 May 2020 (UTC)

The first one, Empire of the Black Sea, looks very interesting from what I could see via amazon.com.--Kansas Bear (talk) 02:00, 1 May 2020 (UTC)

Interesting indeed. Looking forward to when they're published. --HistoryofIran (talk) 18:31, 1 May 2020 (UTC)

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Fars

Was Fars within the Samanid Empire? Judging from the map, it would appear to be outside the empire. Concerning this edit, I was not sure whether what happened in Fars was relevant to the Samanid Empire. --Kansas Bear (talk) 21:25, 6 May 2020 (UTC)

@Kansas Bear: It wasn't, I don't recall they ever controlled the region, if even for a brief moment. --HistoryofIran (talk) 21:37, 6 May 2020 (UTC)

I suspected as much. Thank you very much! --Kansas Bear (talk) 21:44, 6 May 2020 (UTC)

Vorones II and Artabanus II are brothers or not?

Hello HistoryofIran: How are you? As you have already edited in Vorones II that the statement "Vonones II's brother was the Parthian King [[Artabanus II of Parthia|Artabanus II]" remains, would you mind add a similar statement in Artabanus II? At this moment, the latter article does not have. Consistency is good. Thank you. -- Ktsquare (talk) 18:25, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

Honestly I'm doing sh*te, no job and quarantine is making me go mad lol, but it could be worse so I'm thankful for that. I'm not really motivated to write in the Artabanus II article atm, but I'll surely do it in the future. --HistoryofIran (talk) 19:41, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

Honestly I feel sorry to hear that. Cheers. Have a good day. Life in reality is important, no doubt. -- Ktsquare (talk) 17:20, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

Thanks mate, and likewise. --HistoryofIran (talk) 21:39, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

Regarding removal of my content from a verifiable source on the page of Muhammad of Ghor

Why did you remove the content which i have even provided a reputable source? What is "rv not RS"? Write in the language common people can understand. Also the source already given talks about all the conflict in the world, obviously it wont be as reliable. I can provide 3-4 reputed sources and even primary sources which says Govind was wounded but not mortally, he fought next year against Ghori. So why don't you revert back that and i can provide you further reputed sources which specifically deals with the subject matter Sajaypal007 (talk) 09:07, 24 June 2020 (UTC)

Why don't you look up what "rv" and "RS" means by simply writing it in the search bar? --HistoryofIran (talk) 11:31, 24 June 2020 (UTC)

​ I did and couldnt find the answer thats why i asked. Now tell me what was the problem according to you so i can re edit the page.Sajaypal007 (talk)

Sigh, your source wasn't reliable. --HistoryofIran (talk) 15:41, 24 June 2020 (UTC)

My apologies for interrupting this discussion, HistoryofIran.

Actually, Rima Hooja appears to be an historian and archeologist.

RS= reliable source. RV = revert. Your source checks out, might I suggest instead of reverting referenced information that giving both accounts from reliable sources.

• "The battle was marked by the initial attack of mounted Mamluk archers to which Prithviraj responded by counter-attacking from three sides and thus dominating the battle. Mu'izz wounded Govind Tai in personal combat and in the process was himself wounded, whereupon his army retreated and Prithvīrāj's army was deemed victorious."

then add, "According to Rima Hooja, Govind Tal was wounded by Ghori but fought at the second battle of Tarain, where he was killed." Rima Hooja, A History Of Rajasthan, page 267-269. --Kansas Bear (talk) 15:46, 24 June 2020 (UTC)

I see, my bad then. --HistoryofIran (talk) 15:56, 24 June 2020 (UTC)

So now i can revert back to what i wrote or are you going to do it yourself. Sajaypal007 (talk) 21:55, 24 June 2020 (UTC)

What part did you not understand? What you removed(mortally) was referenced information. I suggested an alternative, not a reversion to your edit(which removed referenced information). --Kansas Bear (talk) 22:09, 24 June 2020 (UTC)

Azerbaijan

Hello on this file, you said that Azerbaijan had only three provinces, although the article states that some authors includes Zanjan to Azerbaijan as well. Can you give a source that it only consist of three provinces? Iranica mentions: "The linguistic area comprises, along with most of the province of Zanjān (579,000) important portions of the central province (to the west of, and around, Qazvīn) and even of the province of Gīlān. The Azeri-speaking population in northwest Iran today probably exceeds 6 million persons. This human geographical area defines most exactly the geographical concept of Azerbaijan today." I wonder what you are going to say for that. Thanks. Beshogur (talk) 19:33, 24 June 2020 (UTC)

Not interested in going through this again, Azerbaijan is a historical region (not a cultural one) that predates the modern day Azeris by thousands of years, see [67]. --HistoryofIran (talk) 19:48, 24 June 2020 (UTC)

(talk page watcher) @Beshogur: Iranian Azerbaijan is not about where Azeri speaking populations live, it's about the historic region, thus, Zanjan has nothing to do in Azerbailan. As to a cite that says that Zanjan is not in Azerbaijan, you should take a look at this. Best.---Wikaviani ^{(talk) (contribs)} 19:51, 24 June 2020 (UTC)

Talk:Azerbaijanis#Turkic speaking group vs Tukic ethnic group, I thought Britannica was not reliable at all.. But anyway, what did I understood miss with Iranica's sentence? Beshogur (talk) 20:06, 24 June 2020 (UTC)

Britannica may be reliable for some topics, nobody said that it is never reliable. Also, your Iranica source does not contradict what HistoryofIran and me are saying, read it again, since "the geographical concept of Azerbaijan today" has nothing to do with the historic region of Azerbaijan.---Wikaviani ^{(talk) (contribs)} 20:45, 24 June 2020 (UTC)

(talk page watcher) @Beshogur: Check the following primary source (written by an American who worked in the Qajar government), page 76 has the map of Iranian provinces during the Qajar period. Interestingly, not just Zanjan but even Ardabil was not part of the Azerbaijan province. Azerbaijan was a historical/geographic term, not an ethnic one, especially back then when the concept of "Azerbaijani" ethnicity didn't even exist (they were called Turks instead). --Qahramani44 21:48, 24 June 2020 (UTC)

http://www.culturaldiplomacy.org/academy/pdf/research/books/public_diplomacy/The_Strangling_Of_Persia_-_W._Morgan_Shuster.pdf

Shapurdukhtak

Hello HistoryofIran. About the queen, her Greek name, used or not, is mentioned on Shapur's inscription. Considering it's a Persian source, IMHO, it must be mentioned. When she was already alive, she was also mentioned by that name, even if at Narseh's time that language sunk into oblivion in Persia. Cheers.--Renato de carvalho ferreira (talk) 07:57, 25 June 2020 (UTC)

Requesting help

Hi greetings,

I have been looking for update and expansion support for 2 following articles in draft namespace

• Draft:Aurat (word) (article to cover grammar and linguistic part)

and

• Draft:Aurat (article to cover cultural women)

Please do have a look at the article, do update, expand, correct inaccuracies, suggest and discuss better article titles

Looking forward to your kind support.

Thanks and warm regards

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Musa

Hi, just to let you know I'll be having a go at addressing the easy fixes suggested by Gog the Mild—if I mess up anything please revert me! Hope you're OK (with that). All the best, Amitchell125 (talk) 20:57, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

Couldn't do three of the points raised—the honour of sorting them out I leave to you—but i tackled all the other points (I hope). Amitchell125 (talk) 22:11, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

@Amitchell125: Ah thanks! I will try to look at it when the strings of life has eased its grip on me. --HistoryofIran (talk) 21:48, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

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Hi

Why did you undo this edition: [[68]] سیمون دانکرک (talk) 13:47, 11 July 2020 (UTC)

Parthian rulers

Hi History of Iran,my sandbox contains a list of the rulers of Parthia, shown as a family tree, reproduced below. I used it to help me when reviewing a king or two. Is it (a) accurate (b) worth using at all? It's unreferenced, but I can add citations if needed. Regards, Amitchell125 (talk) 15:04, 12 July 2020 (UTC)

Parthian rulers

—King of Kings; —king/Great King; —disputed king or pretender Arsaces I (r. 247–217 BC, first king of Parthia) Arsaces II (r. 217–191 BC) son/dau. son/dau. Priapatius (r. 191–176 BC, succeeded his cousin Arsaces II) Phraates I (r. 176–171 BC) non-ruling sons Mithridates I (r. 171–132 BC, also known as Mithridates I the Great, King of Kings, succeeded his brother Priapatius) Phraates II (r. 132–127 BC, ascended young, killed in battle and was succeeded by his uncle Artabanus I) Artabanus I (r. 127–124/3 BC, died in battle) Mithridates II (r. 124–91 BC, known as Mithridates the Great in antiquity) Gotarzes I (r. 91–87 or 80 BC) Orodes I (r. 80–75 BC, lost the throne to the aged Parthian prince Sinatruces) Mithridates III (r. 87–80 BC, possible usurper) Sinatruces (r. 75–69 BC) Phraates III (r. 69–57 BC, murdered by his sons Orodes II and Mithridates IV) Mithridates IV (r. 57–54 BC, executed by his younger brother Orodes II) Orodes II (r. 57–37 BC, succeeded his brother Mithridates IV) Phraates IV (r. 37–2 BC, murdered by wife Musa (r. 2 BC – 4 AD, succeeded her husband and co-ruled with her son Phraates V), succeeded by Orodes III (r. 4–6, of unknown lineage, killed) Phraates V (r. 2 BC – 4 AD) Vonones I (r. 8–12, later imprisoned and killed) daughter Artabanus II (r. 12–38/41, succeeded his uncle Vonones I) Vardanes I (r. 40–46, assassinated) Gotarzes II (r. 40–51, ruled intermittently) Vonones II (r. 51, king of Media Atropatene 11—51) Vologases I (r. 51–78) Vardanes II (r. 55–58, rival king, may have briefly ruled of parts of Parthia) Pacorus II (r. 78–110) Vologases II (r. 78–80, rival king) Vologases III (r. 110–147) Artabanus III (r. 79/80–81, rival king) son/dau. Tiridates III (r. 35–36, rival king to Artabanus II, installed by Rome) Osroes I (r. 109–116, 117–129, ruled the western empire in contention with Vologases III, based in the east) ' Parthamaspates (r. 116–117, temporary client king of the Romans) son/dau. Sinatruces II (r.  116) Mithridates V (contender for the throne from 129 to 140 during the reign of Vologases III) Vologases IV (r. 147–191) Vologases V (r. 191–208, king of Armenia r. 180–191) Vologases VI r. 208–228, lost control of the empire to his brother Artabanus IV from 216) Artabanus IV r. 213–224, the last ruler of the Parthian Empire, defeated and killed in battle) Osroes II (claimant to the throne c.190)

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Thanks mate :). --HistoryofIran (talk) 18:30, 22 July 2020 (UTC)

Arsaces I of Parthia

Is there a source for the content in the section "Name" of the article? And I bet the section itself may be further expanded. Σανμοσα^{The Trve Lawe of free Monarchies} 07:47, 24 July 2020 (UTC)

Can't remember. I do however recall there was stuff regarding the name in 'The Parthian and Early Sasanian Empires: Adaptation and Expansion' which I planned to add. --HistoryofIran (talk) 02:56, 25 July 2020 (UTC)

Damghan

I came across the article Damghan, which is obviously very important in your line of expertise and I wonder if you'd cast your eye over it to see if there are glaring errors or improvements that can be made. I've cleared up some of the language which was written in tourist guide-speak and added a lot of links, but I'm a bit baffled by some of the various transliterations and unfamiliar names. Thanks, and keep up the good work! GPinkerton (talk) 23:39, 24 July 2020 (UTC)

Heya, I'm not much active nowadays unfortunately, and editing articles regarding cities/towns, especially ones that still exist nowadays doesn't really interest me. --HistoryofIran (talk) 02:57, 25 July 2020 (UTC)

Ah OK, maybe if you come across the name in your research maybe you could just let me know. It was supposed to be a/the capital of the Parthian period and there are lots of important Seljuk-era tomb-tower and other Seljuk buildings, and a fire-temple so I though perhaps you'd know more. Thanks anyway! GPinkerton (talk) 03:22, 25 July 2020 (UTC)

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Reliability of Sources

If the reliability of Leonie Freida(..long story..) is based on the cited usage of her work then Kaveh Farrokh's works should also be considered reliable sources.

• Iran at War:1500-1988. [69] cited by 62. Cited at least once by Princeton University.

• A Synopsis of Sasanian Military Organization and Combat Units. [70] cited by 6. Cited by Cambridge University Journal, Anatolian Studies.

• The Armies of Ancient Persia: The Sassanians. [71] cited by 9. Cite at least once by Oxford University.

• Shadows in the Desert: Ancient Persia at War. [72] cited by 172. Cited at least once by Edinburgh University Press.

• The Siege of Amida (359 CE). [73] cite by 2. Cited at least once by Historia i Świat.

Just to name a few. Hope things are going well for you. Stay safe. --Kansas Bear (talk) 22:51, 8 August 2020 (UTC)

Your opinion

When you have time, could you read through Philip III of France and give your opinion if it is GA material? Thanks. --Kansas Bear (talk) 18:33, 16 August 2020 (UTC)

Sure thing. --HistoryofIran (talk) 20:58, 16 August 2020 (UTC)

@Kansas Bear: I'd say it's good for GA, though my only small gripe is that the 'Treaty with Navarre' section has one line, I would either merge it with the 'Reign' section or expand it if possible. Maybe a more detailed description of his infobox image as well, if it's a contemporary illustration or not, or where it's from. Though these are only minor gripes at best, and many GA reviewers probably wouldn't mind. --HistoryofIran (talk) 01:29, 17 August 2020 (UTC)

Awesome! Thank you very much! --Kansas Bear (talk) 01:37, 17 August 2020 (UTC)

Cadusii

According to encyclopaedia iranica, cadusii were an iranian people, some other sources say they were non-iranian. non of these theories are proved, so you cant write they were neither iranian or non-iranian in the begining of an article!!! May you are probably judging history tendentiously??!! Arash2018m (talk) 21:30, 16 August 2020 (UTC)

None of the two (Iranica) citations refer the Cadusii as Iranian, and you didn't even bother to add a capital letter as if you were writing a Facebook message. Also, don't accuse me of nonsense, thanks. Last but not least: writing !!!!! or ???? or !!?!?!? doesn't make your message more valid. --HistoryofIran (talk) 21:51, 16 August 2020 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Bahram II

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İ don't understand

What is problem with you? Why are you reverting all my changes on English Wikipedia? Seymur06 (talk) 14:59, 23 August 2020 (UTC)

There is no problem with me, please maintain a proper tone. Why am I reverting you? Well read my edit summaries. --HistoryofIran (talk) 15:00, 23 August 2020 (UTC)

Talysh Khanate after Treaty of Gulistan

Hello, HistoryofIran. I'm trying to map the Caucasus after Treaty of Gulistan , but in all sources I find, it says something along the lines of "Northern parts of Talysh Khanate was given to Russia after Gulistan and the rest after Turkmenchay" and this is very vague and impossible to map. So, I wanted to ask you if you have any sources or information that talks in more detail about what territories of Talysh khanate was lost after Treaty of Gulistan. Any help would be greatly appreciated, thanks. — CuriousGolden (talk·contrib) 18:08, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

I've no idea, sorry. Perhaps {{subst:DNAU|Benyamin}} knows? --HistoryofIran (talk) 18:17, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

Hi. Yes, I have. @CuriousGolden: Accidentally, I'm now working on the Talysh Khanate. The problem of Talysh borders is complicated. The Gulistan treaty was signed on the basis of the status quo ad presentem which meant that each side would remain in possession of territories under their control pending future negotiations (source). Since the situation in Talysh was still contested, specification of its borders was left for a subsequent commission, however it was not solved until 1860s.

This is a good map, which Mammadova 2007a used it. It shows the greatest extent of Talysh Khanate before the treaty of Gulistan. Out of eleven districts, at least, three coastal northern districts of this map (approximately the present-day districts of Masally and Lankaran) was ceded to Russia in 1813. The two western neighbors of these three, were not in a stable condition. I think we shall assume only the western parts of the present-day districts of Jalilabad and Lerik in Qajar hands. The other districts was under Qajar rule, until the next ruler of the Khanate regained all of the territory under the Iranian suzerainty on 1826.

Note that the Imperial/Soviet Russian sources are biased due the ethnic purges. They often named the Talysh Khanate as "Lankaran Khanate".

Benyamin (talk) 21:58, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

Hey, thanks so much for replying! So, are you saying that after Gulistan, only modern-day territories of Masally District and Lankaran District were ceded to Russia and the rest (Yardymli District, Lerik District, Astara District and the adjacent provinces now in modern Iran) stayed under Qajar Iran's rule? — CuriousGolden (talk·contrib) 15:30, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

You're welcome. Yes, and this situation remained until August 1826, when the present-day districts of Masally and Lankaran were retook by Iran.

Benyamin (talk) 19:11, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

Salam Bera man Talysh hastam az Azarbaijan, afsus farsi khob balad nistam vali az mikham ye suale beparsem. Hi bro i want information about Cadusii or Gelae tribes. I know Gelae was Scythian tribe and greek called him Cadusii, another authurs wrotten Gelae same scythian legae. Sometimes i see article in internet about connection Gelae tribe with caucasian albania. Can u creat new article abot Gelae tribe like Cadusii? as to me i think Cadusii(Gelae) was scythian tribe and was same Cimmerians or Sarmatians may be Aorsi. In english wikipedia have not information about Gelae if u can and I'll be happy. Роман Арабов (talk) 21:43, 16 September 2020 (UTC)

Maybe in the future, I don't really have any sources about them atm. --HistoryofIran (talk) 19:58, 18 September 2020 (UTC)

LissanX

Perhaps notifying Drmies would be more productive? Drmies blocked LissanX for personal attacks last time. --Kansas Bear (talk) 04:58, 8 September 2020 (UTC)

True, perhaps I was a bit too fast with my report. Thanks. --HistoryofIran (talk) 04:59, 8 September 2020 (UTC)

Sorry, I've been at work. Leaving them an additional message and throwing their contributions into another tab. Ian.thomson (talk) 10:48, 8 September 2020 (UTC)

About the change in the Magi article

Hellp HistoryOfIran, may I ask why you deleted my example of language input from the Magi page? In my view it is very common to have a language list on such pages. I'd be happy to hear of you. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:RedurMaye

Hi. It's really irrelevant, and unsourced as well. This would be more relevant for the wiktionary. --HistoryofIran (talk) 18:22, 13 September 2020 (UTC)

Right. The wiktionary didn't come up to my mind. --RedurMaye (talk) 18:51, 13 September 2020 (UTC)

Battle of Samarra

Hey HoI, I am currently rewriting the Battle of Samarra and was curious if you know of any other sources pertaining to the battle, perhaps something with a Sasanian perspective? It could possibly be called something else, its the battle Emperor Julian was wounded. --Kansas Bear (talk) 22:35, 17 September 2020 (UTC)

@Kansas Bear: I don't have anything about the battle itself unfortunately, but I do have some stuff about the ideology/motives/aftermath during the whole Julian war, would that be of any help? It seems you already know about this source? War and Warfare in Late Antiquity --HistoryofIran (talk) 23:01, 17 September 2020 (UTC)

I may have used that book, but I will check. Actually, ideology/motives/aftermath would be excellent! Anything you have would be great! --Kansas Bear (talk) 23:11, 17 September 2020 (UTC)

@Kansas Bear: Arsacids and Sasanians (from page 361) Sasanian Interactions with Rome and Byzantium (page 847-849), On the Rationale behind the Roman Wars of Šābuhr II the Great Sasanian Persia: The Rise and Fall of an Empire (page 19-20) --HistoryofIran (talk) 01:20, 18 September 2020 (UTC)

Awesome! Thanks. --Kansas Bear (talk) 01:56, 18 September 2020 (UTC)

About Hyrcania

In republic of Azerbaijan have very many names of Hyrcan , for example https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hirkan_National_Park

I think Cadusii or Gelae were related with Hrcanians , Cadusian king was Watafarna same maybe Hyrcanian names. Роман Арабов (talk) 20:05, 18 September 2020 (UTC)

What we think is irrelevant, we need sources for this. Either way, Hyrcania has nothing to do with the history of Talish, they are situated in two completely different places. --HistoryofIran (talk) 20:06, 18 September 2020 (UTC)

Missing references in Hormizd II

The article cites "Daryaee 2009", "Brunner 2014", and "Wiesehöfer 2001" -- there are no such works in the bibliography. Can you please add? Renata (talk) 01:57, 19 September 2020 (UTC)

@Renata3: Ops, I've fixed it now. Thanks for letting me know! --HistoryofIran (talk) 02:08, 19 September 2020 (UTC)

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Kheili mamnoon :). --HistoryofIran (talk) 01:33, 20 September 2020 (UTC)

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Medes

Hi! I would recommend to self-revert this[74]. Why make them look better than they are? The more behavioral evidence is openly visible (as long it is not a personal attack; this one isn't, it's a display of ignorance), the sooner it will fall back on them. I've dead ignored them in all their bulliness: User talk:Austronesier#Kurds and Medes :) –Austronesier (talk) 14:33, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

See my new ANI discussion

It's about the brou-ha-ha at Talk:Medes. Doug Weller talk 08:13, 2 October 2020 (UTC)

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hey

Instead of reverting my edit, maybe you should address me on the talk page first where i left a comment? And there is no citation for "80 Tajik" either. Akmal94 (talk) 21:04, 5 October 2020 (UTC)

Instead of changing the long established revision, maybe you should address this issue on the talk page and wait for consensus? HistoryofIran (talk)

I did reach out on the talk page but nobody responded so i went away and removed it myself. There was no citation for it either which was a green flag for me to go ahead and remove it. If i show you a source, will that be ok? Akmal94 (talk) 07:01, 15 October 2020 (UTC)

[75] That's not reaching out, that's complaining. You wrote that comment at 18:26, and edited the article at 18:30. So you waited 4 minutes, how do you expect to get a response in such short period and with that comment? Also, you didn't remove it, you changed it to something else. Yes, if you have a reliable source go ahead and change it. --HistoryofIran (talk) 13:50, 15 October 2020 (UTC)

It was not complaining, it was me trying to address the obvious flaw with the number because it wasn't sourced. Second, you just reverted my edit on "Pashtuns" may i know the reason you believe it was "disruption?" I reverted the Genetic section because its a mess created by a user called "pashtunfacts." Akmal94 (talk) 05:10, 5 December 2020 (UTC)

Feel free to ask any other user here and they will give you the same answer as me. If that was you trying to address the situation, then please do it in a lighter manner next time. And no, you certainly didn't revert the genetic section, you do realize I can see what you removed and didn't? --HistoryofIran (talk) 11:05, 5 December 2020 (UTC)

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Mithridates map

Hey, can you elaborate on your critique of my map, so that I can fix it and add it back? The only mistake I noticed was the mixed positions of Elymais and Characene, but seems like you meant something else. --Go-Chlodio (talk) 22:21, 7 October 2020 (UTC)

The map is lacking provinces, atm it looks like provinces such as Parthia or Aria (which was around Herat, not Sistan) encompassed a vast amount of territory (or is that intentional?). Merv isn't in Bactria. I'm sorry, but the map isn't too pleasant to the eyes either. --HistoryofIran (talk) 23:00, 7 October 2020 (UTC)

They aren't meant to be provinces, just loose regions to depict conquest. I realize Merv was in Satrapy of Margiana, not Satrapy of Bactria; Western Bactria refers to the western portion of Greco-Bactrian Kingdom, even the article refers to his conquest as "Western Bactria". I'm sorry you don't like the art of my map, what would you change? I could add satellite image, it would enlarge the file size though. --Go-Chlodio (talk) 12:01, 8 October 2020 (UTC)

Well, it still looks like the whole purple region was part of Aria for example, or blue region being part of Fars, due to the depiction of Babylonia in yellow etc, that's deffo needs to be improved imo. Western Bactria is around Balkh. If I'm not mistaken the eastern borders under Mithridates I were the same as Mithridates II, perhaps this could be of help? [76] Perhaps you could make the borders more defined? --HistoryofIran (talk) 13:42, 8 October 2020 (UTC)

I'm not sure what exactly did you mean but I did some adjustments, I seriously doubt it was the same under Mithridates II, seem kinda unlikely. I don't really want to make the borders too detailed, because we can't be sure about exact borders. Go-Chlodio (talk) 01:05, 9 October 2020 (UTC)

Well, both ruled as far as India and also ruled Western Bactria, doesn't seem unlikely to me. Also, we do have somewhat of an idea what the borders looked like, as I did base my map on sources. The eastern borders are still very inaccurate. Isfahan/Gabae was part of Media, not Persis (Persis was around this size [77]). Atropatene did not extend that much to the north, etc. Adiabene seems to have been conquered as well per Sophene, Gordyene, and Adiabene: Three Regna Minora of Northern Mesopotamia Between East and West and The Persian Empire: A Historical Encyclopedia [2 volumes]: A Historical Encyclopedia. --HistoryofIran (talk) 01:15, 9 October 2020 (UTC)

Good observations, but in my map the conquest already spans to the Indus river, which is what the article says, I don't know about eastern conquest beyond that, if you do, please add it to the article.
So, according to The Persian Empire: A Historical Encyclopedia [2 volumes], the extend of the eastern border is disputed, thus I reckon it's worth representing. Do you have any issues with this? --Go-Chlodio (talk) 17:18, 9 October 2020 (UTC)

Well, no, because it isn't disputed. If Mithridates ruled as far as India, that would be through Gedrosia and Arachosia as they're in the way. I lost of my Parthian sources not so long ago due to f'ing my computer up (including two maps), but I quickly found this; Later on, the land was under the control of the Seleucid Antiochus III, Demetrius of Bactria (seemingly the founder of Demetrias), and the Parthian king Mithridates I. The desert in Iran isn't that big, you might as well color over it too. Armenia was more or less this size [78] under Mithridates I too, so the northwestern borders need to be reduced. Regarding Adiabene (from the Sophene, Gordyene and Adiabene source, you can download it on Pdfdrive for free): It is not clear as to what the status of Adiabene was at that time. However, there can be no doubt that Adiabene was first conquered by Mithradates I in ca. 145–141 BCE. Also, is it possible to change the angle of the map back to normal? Other than that, this is a huge improvement. --HistoryofIran (talk) 01:58, 10 October 2020 (UTC)

Okay, I will give you Arachosia, but the dispute I mentioned seems to apply more to Gedrosia:
"Accordingly to classical sources, the conquest of the Arscadid monarch brought Parthian armies to the mouth of the Indus River in Sind in present-day Pakistan, while at least one scholar has expressed serious doubt that the power of Mithridates extended so far into the kingdom of the Greco-Bactrian kings"
Regarding desert, I have reduced it and added labels for Great Salt Desert, Lut Desert, Sagartia, and Kharan desert. It's my preference that terra nullius wouldn't be depicted as conquered, I believe it gives a better geopolitical understanding. I couldn't find any cities from those regions, so I don't see their depiction as sensible. Regarding Sagartia, far as I know don't have much information about it; it seems to have ruled by nomads at some point, but there is no confirm that Mithridates had authority there.
And sure, I'll change the angle back.
How's this?--Go-Chlodio (talk) 17:50, 10 October 2020 (UTC)

Hatra should be removed, as it was insignificant during that time, if it even existed. Nishapur, Shiragan and Siraf are Sasanian foundations, so they should be removed as well. Babylon and Seleucia were neighbouring cities, so they need to be moved together. Arshak = Assak, Alexandria Aria = Aria, Merv = Marw. Europos = Rhages, or Arsacia (Rhages). Isfahan = Gabae. Balkh = Bactra. Darreh Shahr is a modern name, needs to be renamed to what it was known as or removed (I was thinking about adding as well on my maps, but couldnt find anything regarding its Parthian period). Not sure what Aran is? Slight typo at Nisibis. I've never heard of Sagartia during that time, do you have any source(s) about it? Otherwise looking pretty sweet! --HistoryofIran (talk) 11:41, 13 October 2020 (UTC)

Sagartia: From this, we can deduce that they must have lived somewhere east or northeast of the Persians, and the oasis of Yazd is a good guess. --Go-Chlodio (talk) 00:50, 14 October 2020 (UTC)

I'm not sure what this has to do with the Parthians? It's just information where they lived under the Achaemenids. Either way, Livius is not WP:RS. Or are the very least of very low quality. We have much better sources than that. --HistoryofIran (talk) 01:04, 14 October 2020 (UTC)

It's just a geographic region, not an actual nation, by this time the Sagartians had migrated to the Urals. There is no evidence that nobody lived in Yazd region at this point, but I could rename the label or remove it. Also why isn't Livious a reliable source? It's written by a historian, no?--Go-Chlodio (talk) 10:37, 14 October 2020 (UTC)

I think it's safe to say that Iran was conquered by Mithridates I, there's no source that states otherwise, i.e. Sagartia was independent or something like that. An amateur historian yes, his work is not cited anywhere in the academic circles as far as I know. --HistoryofIran (talk) 10:59, 14 October 2020 (UTC)

Many of these maps make the mistake of depicting every exclave as conquered which doesn't respond to reality. Even if he conquered all of Iran, I wouldn't still color it because I don't want color wasteland for the reason I have already stated, I there is no reason to believe it was a wasteland at this time, unless you can a name city in that region that existed at this point in time.
How is he an amateur historian? He has a master of art degree in history.--Go-Chlodio (talk) 11:36, 14 October 2020 (UTC)

Not sure I understand, we still talking about Sagartia? If Sagartia wasn't a wasteland, then why not color it? Besides, Sagartia (which certainly wasn't a thing under the Parthians) was more east than what it is currently placed now. --HistoryofIran (talk) 12:05, 14 October 2020 (UTC)

Yes. There is no evidence it wasn't a wasteland. Sagartians were nomads and we don't know that they or anybody else lived there at this time. Even if they did, there is no evidence that Mithridates had any power over them, even if he dominated the surrounding area.--Go-Chlodio (talk) 02:04, 17 October 2020 (UTC)

Why would it be a wasteland? --HistoryofIran (talk) 02:08, 17 October 2020 (UTC)

Why would it not be? There are no know cities there during that time. Yazd Province is mostly a desert minus the oasis.--Go-Chlodio (talk) 01:07, 18 October 2020 (UTC)

Sorry but that's just assuming. There are two deserts in Iran, which you already have covered. There are generally not many known cities in the Parthian realm. Btw, perhaps this excellent well sourced map might be of help for the desert(s). [79]. --HistoryofIran (talk) 01:08, 18 October 2020 (UTC)

It is as assuming as to assume it wasn't a wasteland. Most of Yazd province is covered by those deserts. The 11th-century map doesn't really help, considering all those cities within Yazd province would have been founded centuries later.--Go-Chlodio (talk) 12:58, 18 October 2020 (UTC)

I rest my case (I can't view all of the book so here are some bits);

"Gaius Plinius Secundus (Pliny the Elder, d. 79 CE), in his Natural History, mentioned a town of the Parthian period called Issatis, which would seem to correspond with the tribal name of the Asagarta/Istachae/Sagartians"

"The Tabula notes a Parthian way station called Cetrora (perhaps derived from chora), along a road heading easterward from Hamadan. THe place name Cetrora has been compared with an Islamic era toponym Kata/(Kata/Kasa, meaning 'hollow' and hence 'valley' from Old Iranian and Avestan kata-, 'enclosure', for Yazd. Indeed, much later, the fourth/tenth century Muslim geographer al-Istahri mentioned Kata as the hawma ('main urban area') of Yazd in his Kitab al-Masalik wa'l-Mamalik, 'Book of Routes and Countries', while placing the city and its hinterland within the Kirman administratiove province. But it is unclear whether the Yazd area fell within the south-western-most part of Parthia (Parthua, Paraetacene, Parthyene) sahr or rather the northwestern-most part of Kirman (Karmania) sahr, during the reigns of the Parthian kings. It could have ben reassigned from Parthia to Kirman, an administrative shift which would explain the divergence in provicinial allocation between the Strabo's (d. post 21 CE) account in his first century Geography, and Ptomely's subsequent account in the second century Geography."

"Despite the failure to appear in extant pre-Islamic Iranian documents, the area of Yazd did not remain a backwater."

--HistoryofIran (talk) 13:19, 18 October 2020 (UTC)

Okay, then. Now everything is good? Map. --Go-Chlodio (talk) 11:40, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

Sagartia needs to be removed, as its ancient area would have been part of other provinces during that time. The provinces of Carmania and Drangiana also need to be added. Ctesiphon and Nisa are missing, arguably some of the most important Parthian royal cities of that time, especially the latter, which is atm outside Parthian territory in the map. Gedorosia -> Gedrosia. I think that's about it. Map is looking very good! --HistoryofIran (talk) 12:40, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

The final. I also gave you credit for your help on Wikimedia.--Go-Chlodio (talk) 15:51, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

Mithridates I of Parthia

Hi HistoryofIran, I hope this message finds you well. I was going through some harv ref errors and found one on Mithridates I of Parthia, where ref 45 refers to the (presumably) incorrect publication. Of course normally I would simply change the year myself but in the case of this article I would be unsure wether the 2012 ref is for the 2013 or the 2010 (or maybe 2018?) publication. Clarification here would be much appreciated. Best - Aza24 (talk) 05:25, 9 October 2020 (UTC)

@Aza24: I've fixed it by changing the authors name - thanks for notifying me. Btw, how do you how find harv errors? Is there a certain program? I think I need to start using it. --HistoryofIran (talk) 10:32, 9 October 2020 (UTC)

Ah and of course the answer was to fix the name and not the year... good thing I asked! As for harv refs, I use this script: User:Svick/HarvErrors.js that you can paste into your js page. It's fairly useful, the only annoyance is that when you "show preview" for a single section it will say that every ref has a harv error since the sfns aren't linking with the sources in later sections, but I don't find that a huge deal. Also, I have to add that I've been familiar with and have admired your work for a while now – especially to Arsaces I of Parthia, an especially valuable contribution. Aza24 (talk) 17:21, 9 October 2020 (UTC)

Thanks, it will deffo be of use. And why thank you! I feel honored. --HistoryofIran (talk) 03:05, 10 October 2020 (UTC)

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Sophene

What do you think about these changes?[80] - LouisAragon (talk) 02:05, 11 October 2020 (UTC)

Tbf I think by 'native', the user meant native language of the population and not dynasty. But yeah I think it looks good. --HistoryofIran (talk) 02:08, 11 October 2020 (UTC)

Yeah I figured. But I think the word "native" is somewhat misleading for such mixed kingdoms like Sophene (or Osroene, for example). If you've got time to further expand the article (esp. about culture/language), then please, be my guest. Awesome output as usual mate. - LouisAragon (talk) 02:11, 11 October 2020 (UTC)

Also this:[81]-[82] - LouisAragon (talk) 23:10, 12 October 2020 (UTC)

Kashmar

Hello, I hope you remember me I do not speak English well But I like to have activities on the English wik, I made extensive edits to the Kashmar article And I like this article to be good Can you help me brother?

Fire Temple of Kashmar

And brother, I feel that Wikipedia needs such an article and I can not create an article Can you help, please read here. Thank you very much brother M.k.m2003 (talk) 12:51, 13 October 2020 (UTC)

Well I would like to, but I can't find any (English) source on a so-called Fire Temple of Kashmar. I do however know of a Cypress of Kashmar. I can't read the Persian script, so I can't use Persian sources. --HistoryofIran (talk) 12:55, 13 October 2020 (UTC)

Oh Yes, I think we should be carefree! But can you help me with the Kashmar article? M.k.m2003 (talk) 13:02, 13 October 2020 (UTC)

I don't have any sources about the city either, and I'm not really too big on editing city articles, especially ones that still exist. Maybe in the future. However, I can help you with the flow of the article if that helps. --HistoryofIran (talk) 13:06, 13 October 2020 (UTC)

Thank you :) M.k.m2003 (talk) 13:11, 13 October 2020 (UTC)

I need help

Can u help with this article https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gelae_(Scythian_tribe) and add new information? Роман Арабов (talk) 22:48, 13 October 2020 (UTC)

No, I already told you that those sources you used were not WP:RS, the same applies here. There's no such thing as a 'Gelae Scythian tribe', and thus I can't help. --HistoryofIran (talk) 22:51, 13 October 2020 (UTC)

Komala Party of Iranian Kurdistan

Have you looked at the recent edits on Komala Party of Iranian Kurdistan by Keywan faramarzi? If so, would you say that Keywan faramarzi's edits are ok? Vif12vf/Tiberius (talk) 23:37, 14 October 2020 (UTC)

@Vif12vf: I removed it from my watchlist, as I got tired of him and his colleagues spamming the article. But i doubt it - looking at the article, there are three (new) citations on the lede on the part which refers them as communists, but for some reason Keywan is trying to push a social democracy narrative, whether it's somewhat true or not. Not to mention he has already made it clear that he is affiliated with the party, that and his edit warring makes it a bit hard to have good faith in him. Wasn't he told to take his concerns to the talk page? He doesn't seem to have done that. --HistoryofIran (talk) 23:57, 14 October 2020 (UTC)

Evidently not, so i might remove it right away. Vif12vf/Tiberius (talk) 00:28, 15 October 2020 (UTC)

Oh, apparently User:LouisAragon has already reverted it! Vif12vf/Tiberius (talk) 00:29, 15 October 2020 (UTC)

Freedom of the press in Iran

Hello. Almost every country have "freedom of the press" article... but we can't found freedom of the press in Iran article. Please create one about Iran. Thanks. Hamid00087 (talk) 12:12, 15 October 2020 (UTC)

Sorry but I can't write about something that doesn't exist in Iran. --HistoryofIran (talk) 13:51, 15 October 2020 (UTC)

Peroz I

Hello my friend; Do you have time to improve the article Peroz I?! If this article becomes GA, it will be a great achievement. Thanks Editor7798 (talk) 10:00, 16 October 2020 (UTC)

Hi. Yes, I do plan to make it GA in the future. --HistoryofIran (talk) 13:07, 16 October 2020 (UTC)

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Peroz I

Should WP Armenia, Georgia, Central Asia and Caucasia be added to Peroz I or would you say its irrelevant? - LouisAragon (talk) 21:47, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

@LouisAragon: I would say they're pretty relevant. --HistoryofIran (talk) 22:55, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

Done, thanks. Please do add additional WP's to articles about Sasanian rulers if you think any are missing. - LouisAragon (talk) 09:36, 22 October 2020 (UTC)

[83]-[84] - LouisAragon (talk) 03:22, 6 November 2020 (UTC)

@LouisAragon: I've looked at the source and its author, not sure what to think tbh. --HistoryofIran (talk) 03:27, 6 November 2020 (UTC)

Yeah thats what I thought as well. - LouisAragon (talk) 12:44, 6 November 2020 (UTC)

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Karka d-Ledan

Hello, I was meaning to translate this article but I didn't but is the exact term of it in Farsi, would you please elobrate ? Mardetanha (talk) 20:02, 25 October 2020 (UTC)

Hi. I'm not sure I understand. The name is of Aramaic origin. --HistoryofIran (talk) 20:04, 25 October 2020 (UTC)

I am not sure if you have Persian keyboard or not, but I wonder how is it written in Farsi Mardetanha (talk) 21:00, 25 October 2020 (UTC)

Oooh, I don't know sorry. --HistoryofIran (talk) 21:02, 25 October 2020 (UTC)

I did some research and I came up with this, I assume this should be the name of the city, correct me if I am wrong Mardetanha (talk) 21:08, 25 October 2020 (UTC)

Yes it seems. --HistoryofIran (talk) 21:39, 25 October 2020 (UTC)

hmm, I have created the article but now I found this, I am not sure if they same thing or not Mardetanha (talk) 22:42, 25 October 2020 (UTC)

It seems to be per The Archaeology of Elam: Formation and Transformation of an Ancient Iranian State, page 425 This is the Karka d’Ledan of the Nestorian sources, a city long identified with the site of Ivan-e Kerkha, c. 17 km northwest of Susa --HistoryofIran (talk) 23:02, 25 October 2020 (UTC)

Thanks, I just saw the talk page of the article and it seems it is really confusing, I have asked a friend who is PhD student at the University of Tehran on Iranian history to take a look and probably help, though you are also an expert on the subject, Thanks for your time Mardetanha (talk) 23:08, 25 October 2020 (UTC)

It is confusing indeed, Karkha/Karka/Karkheh was a typical Aramaic city name and thus we have lots of ancient cities with that name. Feel free to ask if there is anything else. --HistoryofIran (talk) 23:10, 25 October 2020 (UTC)

Thanks and sure Mardetanha (talk) 23:13, 25 October 2020 (UTC)

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I need your help bro

Hi bro, can u help me with this article ? I cann not to write because i have nom many sources. If you help me I will be glad. Thank u broFaradzhoffEma (talk) 22:39, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

No sorry, this is not my field of expertise. --HistoryofIran (talk) 23:25, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

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EI2

I have all EI2 volumes on my pc. I can send all of them if you need. - LouisAragon (talk) 15:59, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

@LouisAragon: I would greatly appreciate that :o --HistoryofIran (talk) 16:00, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

For some reason I can't send it as a Cloud file nor through Dropbox, even though I've done so before. I hope Cplakidas can help us out. Sorry for the nuisance, Kostas. - LouisAragon (talk) 17:19, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

Hi to both. I've emailed a link to HistoryofIran. No worries, LouisAragon. Constantine ✍ 07:04, 30 October 2020 (UTC)

Just so you know

See here. --Kansas Bear (talk) 20:00, 1 November 2020 (UTC)

Sabuktigin

Hello HistoryofIran! Could you please help me with a thing? I started translating Sabuktigin to wiki.pt. and the article says Sabuktigin was son of Qara Bajkam, but the source provided does not show the information to check. On the other hand, this book citing a primary source says he was fon of Juq ibn Qara Bajkam, not Qara Bajkam, who was his grandfather if we follow the genealogy. Any idea?--Renato de carvalho ferreira (talk) 18:30, 7 November 2020 (UTC)

@Renato de carvalho ferreira: Hi. The source used in English version does not seem very WP:RS imho (including many others), so I guess you're better of using that source. Otherwise than his role in the Samanid state I really don't know much else about Sabuktigin tbh, so unfortunately I don't think I can be of much help. --HistoryofIran (talk) 02:25, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

Missing cite in Peroz I

The article cites "Martindale 1980" but no such source is listed in the bibliography. It also cites "Payne 2015" but unclear if it's "Payne 2015a" or "Payne 2015b". Can you please fix? Also, suggest installing a script to highlight such errors in the future. All you need to do is copy and paste importScript('User:Svick/HarvErrors.js'); // Backlink: [[User:Svick/HarvErrors.js]] to your common.js page. Thanks, Renata (talk) 03:31, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

Thanks! --HistoryofIran (talk) 08:02, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

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Khalji dynasty

Hi i see that you reverted my edit and possibly left a comment but can you explain what part of my edit was unsourced ? Is my edit unsourced? Can you please explain the revert as it is unjustified and i am not using any other account. Kami2018 (talk) 04:02, 18 November 2020 (UTC)

You added unsourced info (But the distance between the Amu Darya and the Talas is such as it would have been impossible for the tribes living beyond the Amu Darya to use the Talas pastures as winter quarters, leading to the conclusion that the text has been corrupted somehow or that some Khalaj still lived near the Khallukh at the time.), altered sourced info (They were ethnic turks but they were wrongly treated is your own words) --HistoryofIran (talk) 09:48, 18 November 2020 (UTC)

The first part was not my edit rather was part of the article before and i have no issue in removing that. But the second part is clearly mentioned in the sources below and i dont see anywhere it to be mentioned like this "They were treated entirely as Afghans by the Turkic nobles of the Delhi Sultanate during the reign of the Khalji Sultanate." Also if you look at the entire origin section which you reverted is clearly mentioned in the sources. I would appreciate if you could at least correct the article according to the references. Thankyou Kami2018 (talk) 22:43, 18 November 2020 (UTC)

Meh, seems legit. It seems I am in the wrong here - sorry for accusing of you pov-pushing and indicating that you were possibly a sock (doing my research now, you've clearly been here for some time), been reverting too much disruption recently so I'm a bit too trigger happy on the words (which is obviously not a good excuse). Thanks for being the professional one here, feel free to add the sourced bit back (I would do it myself, but I'm afraid I might f it up, since I'm not too familiar with the article). --HistoryofIran (talk) 23:33, 18 November 2020 (UTC)

Sami Yusuf

What you said on my talk page about the IP editing is exactly the way I saw it, but in this kind of situation I like to write in an AGF kind of way to the editor in question. As for the new account you mention, I think it's so near to certain that it's the same person that we can assume it is. I've posted a couple of warnings to that editor's talk page. I suggest that in this kind of situation you might post messages to the relevant talk page (IP talk page or account's talk page). There are several advantages in doing so, including the following. (1) There is just a chance that it might lead the editor to stop. (2) If the editor doesn't stop, it's much easier for an administrator to take action if the editor has had adequate warnings; otherwise it is likely that the process will begin with the first warning at a time when we might instead have already gone past that stage and moved on to other steps. As far as this case is concerned, if you see any more problematic editing from the same person (whether by an account or by IP editing) please feel very welcome to let me know, and I'll consider whether anything needs to be done. JBW (talk) 21:02, 23 November 2020 (UTC)

Yeah good idea. I've been here for almost a decade and still haven't properly bothered to post these kind of messages, that really needs to change. First question that comes to mind - where can I find these kind of messages? The one you just added in the talk page of the user for example, I assume I can find it on some guideline page? --HistoryofIran (talk) 21:08, 23 November 2020 (UTC)

OK, here's some information about the warning template messages. You may already know some of this; if so just ignore it.

The first important point is that you don't have to use the standard messages. I very often write my own messages, because they can be made more appropriate for the particular situation. Of course the disadvantage of that is that it takes longer to write, and so quite often if I think one of the standard ones is good enough then I use one of those. However, in my experience very often new editors get warning messages which really don't tell them what is the problem with their editing, because an editor just posts a generic message saying something vague such as that their editing "did not appear constructive", and while in many cases it must be obvious what the problem was, at other times a new editor may honestly not know what the objection is. With the best will in the world they can't stop doing whatever is wrong if they don't know what it is that's wrong. For that reason I do urge you to consider whether one of the standard templated messages is good enough or not, rather than just blindly using them.

To answer your question, the standard user page warnings are all listed at Wikipedia:Template index/User talk namespace. Unfortunately there is a huge number of them, making it difficult to find the one you want. If you use them at all often you will fairly soon learn the ones that you use most, so you don't have to keep looking for them, but you may like to have a user space page with a short list of the few that you think you are most likely to use.

Many (though not all) of the messages come in several different levels, from level one to level four. Don't make the mistake that many editors make of thinking that there's some sort of rule that says you have to start with a level one warning, and then follow with level two, and so on. In fact I almost never use level one warnings at all.

If you don't have much experience of using the warning templates it may help if I illustrate how to use the templates. Taking for example the level two vandalism template, Template:vandalism2, the most basic use is to post {{subst:vandalism2}} on the user's talk page, but if you want to add a mention of the page where the vandalism took place you can add a vertical bar followed by the title of the page, and if you want to add your own message in place of the default "Thank you" at the end of the message you can add a second vertical bar and then your message. Personally I find "Thank you" at the end of a warning about vandalism silly, so I like to over-ride that. Also most often I don't bother with linking to the page that's been vandalised, as if there's only one then it's obvious which it is, and if there's more than one then I don't want to single out just one for mention. Consequently I most often use something like {{subst:vandalism2||~~~~}} which puts no link to a vandalised page, and my signature, with no "thank you". Obviously that's just my own preference, and you will decide for yourself how to use the templates.

Well, there you are. As I said, you may already know some of that, and if so ignore it. Some of it you may not know but also not find helpful; ignore that too. I hope at least some of it will be helpful to you, though. JBW (talk) 22:28, 23 November 2020 (UTC)

Many thanks for this very helpful message! Appreciate it. --HistoryofIran (talk) 23:53, 23 November 2020 (UTC)

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A barnstar for you!

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	★✪☆Thanks for everything.☆✪★ I can only say that!!! . Good luck to you...🌟🖤 Waltex40 (talk) 08:50, 24 November 2020 (UTC)

Thank you :). --HistoryofIran (talk) 14:42, 24 November 2020 (UTC)

ANI

It may soon be time for an ANI if the forum shopping continues.Slatersteven (talk) 17:36, 30 November 2020 (UTC)

True that. --HistoryofIran (talk) 17:40, 30 November 2020 (UTC)

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Whyyyyyyy!

• Safavid dynasty (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Why did you remove my arrangement EVERYTİME? do you have a reason? or are you a 12-year-old ultranationalist Persian? Firatlal (talk) 22:10, 11 December 2020 (UTC)

Actually, I did state in my edit summary why. @EdJohnston:, I don't think this user is here to WP:BUILDWP.

Some other examples besides the praise I've just received here;

[85]

[86]

[87]

[88]

[89]

[90]

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--HistoryofIran (talk) 22:32, 11 December 2020 (UTC)

I left a note for the editor. EdJohnston (talk) 04:54, 12 December 2020 (UTC)

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Caucasian crosses nominated for deletion

The Albanian Crosses article has been nominated for deletion. Could you please elaborate here [[92]]? --Addictedtohistory (talk) 08:55, 15 December 2020 (UTC)

A request

Hey! What's up? I want to promote some articles related to the Caucasian Albania to GA. I've worked on history-related articles in AzWiki, but I'm bit inexperienced on working on such stuff from zero, as I mostly translated GA and FAs from English Wikipedia. Is there any recommendations you can give? I currently only have access to Baku-based sources, but I don't want to cite them for obvious reasons. --► Sincerely: SolaVirum 15:47, 15 December 2020 (UTC)

@Solavirum: Atm I possess the following sources about Caucasian Albania:

• From Caucasian Albania to Arran (300 BC - AD 1300) (which includes the section "The Chronology of the Arsacid Albanians" which I've used quite a lot for the Albanian rulers)
• Caucasian Albanian and the Question of Language and Ethnicity
• Construction Activities of Kavād I in Caucasian Albania
• Non-Muslim Provinces under Early Islam (not focused on Albania like the sources above but it does get mentioned quite a lot)
• INTRODUCTION TO CHRISTIAN CAUCASIAN HISTORY: II: States and Dynasties of the Formative Period by the one and only Cyril Toumanoff. This is just generally about the Caucasus in the antiquity really. Although this work is a gem, do beware that it contains some outdated info (not that major if I recall, but still good to know, I will help you with that if necessary) and it uses Latin rather than the native terms for many regions. So if you're wondering what the heck 'Otene' is, well that's just Utik. Gogarene = Gugark, and so on.

I've mailed you, if you respond back I will be avaliable to include these files in my next mail to you. Since this is an area I edit in I should be able to help you with other stuff here and there, so feel free to ask. I will most likely see it through my watchlist as well.

There is of course always these two Iranica articles [93] [94] by Chaumont and Bosworth respectively, although I'm not sure if they're outdated in some areas, and if so, how much (the conversation of Urnayr for example, seems rather unlikely).

--HistoryofIran (talk) 16:59, 15 December 2020 (UTC)

Cheers! I might start working on the language when I've got time. I'm thinking to work on this topic with a friend who's better at these stuff. I know you as an editor who's got lots of experience in this area, so, if anything bothers you with our additions, feel free to discuss. Also, thank you for the sources. --► Sincerely: SolaVirum 17:11, 15 December 2020 (UTC)

2009 paper by Garnik Asatrian

This gem deals with every part of pseudo-history in relation to unsubstantiated/unsourced/irredentist Kurdish claims. From refuting the claims wherein the Sasanians, Madig, Mithraic mysteries and Medes are represented as Kurds by pseudo-historians and drive-by IPs/accounts, to debunking claims wherein the mutinies of Simko Shikak and Sheykh Ubaydallah are presented as cases of "Kurdish nationalism", to irredentist claims of a Kurdistan covering half of Syria, Iran, Turkey, Iraq and even Transcaucasia. It also provides a thorough outline of when the word "Kurd" actually started to refer to the Kurds. @Kansas Bear:, @Wario-Man: @Attar-Aram syria: @Beshogur: @عمرو بن كلثوم: You all might be interested in adding this material to your archives. - LouisAragon (talk) 17:27, 19 December 2020 (UTC)

Many thanks LouisAragon. Amr ibn Kulthoumعمرو بن كلثوم (talk) 17:47, 19 December 2020 (UTC)

LouisAragon You may be interested in seeing Talk:Syrian Kurdistan. The is a discussion just about that rn. Amr ibn Kulthoumعمرو بن كلثوم (talk) 17:53, 19 December 2020 (UTC)

Merry Christmas HistoryofIran!

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	Merry Christmas HistoryofIran!! Wishing you a Happy Holiday Season, and a beautiful and productive New Year! पाटलिपुत्र Pat (talk) 16:22, 21 December 2020 (UTC)

Thank you mate, and likewise :D. --HistoryofIran (talk) 16:28, 21 December 2020 (UTC)

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Courtesy notice of mention at AN

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Asking for advice

Hello fellow Wikipedian. This more of a personal request and not an editorial issue. I am taking a holidays break and have decided to read about Iran and Ancient Persia. I have come to you as you are the most knowledgeable and hardworking Wikipedian that I know off in this topic. Can you suggest me some interesting articles or some good starting point from where I can continue into the Wikilinks? Thank you in advance, have a nice day. - Kevo327 (talk) 09:43, 26 December 2020 (UTC)

@Kevo327: Hi Kevo, I am very honored to hear that. Honestly, I wouldn't recommend anywhere on Wikipedia to start reading into Iran-related stuff, as they are still very messy. Well, maybe with the except of one, that is Parthian-related stuff, as the Parthian Empire article is FA and I've expanded most of the Parthian kings articles. I'm assuming you will be mostly interested in pre-Islamic Iran? I do have tons of sources about them, and also about Armenia and the Caucasus and how they all interacted in that period. How about I send you some sources about them? --HistoryofIran (talk) 14:50, 26 December 2020 (UTC)

@HistoryofIran: Please do, I would greatly appreciate it. As for the state of the Wikipedia articles, with enough time and devoted editors such as yourself, I'm sure that the Irani topics and history will be well represented and get all the appreciation they truly deserve. - Kevo327 (talk) 23:37, 26 December 2020 (UTC)

@Kevo327: I can't mail you, as you've not enabled the function. Perhaps you can write your mail here so I can send it to you? --HistoryofIran (talk) 15:07, 27 December 2020 (UTC)

@HistoryofIran: I've just enabled it after reading your message, please try again. - Kevo327 (talk) 15:11, 27 December 2020 (UTC)

Overnight many kilometers..

... were added without supplying sources. Nor was it mentioned in the edit summary.[95] - LouisAragon (talk) 23:52, 26 December 2020 (UTC)

Map of Caucasian Albania

Caucasian Albania in 5th and 6th centurires

Hi, I wanted to create a proper map of Caucasian Albania (similar to how I did in Atropatene) since the currently used map's primary focus isn't on Albania itself, but a rather general view on Armenian Highlands. Do you suggest I follow the borders used in this file or are there any maps you can suggest me? Cheers. — CuriousGolden (T·C) 12:56, 28 December 2020 (UTC)

@CuriousGolden: I mean there is also [96], but either should do I guess. Fortunately there is plenty to choose from [97]. --HistoryofIran (talk) 13:30, 28 December 2020 (UTC)

Would you say this works? — CuriousGolden (T·C) 13:38, 28 December 2020 (UTC)

@CuriousGolden: I mean it depends on how detailed you want the map. If you want to add many districts/provinces/cities then you might want to find a bigger map. --HistoryofIran (talk) 13:40, 28 December 2020 (UTC)

All of the maps have very different borders, so I don't know which to choose. There's this map from armenica.org and this one by Samuel Butler and this old map. — CuriousGolden (T·C) 13:49, 28 December 2020 (UTC)

@CuriousGolden: In what era do you want to portray the map? I do have a unfinished detailed map of the Caucasus in the 5th and 6th-centuries, which includes Albania, would that perhaps be of help? --HistoryofIran (talk) 13:53, 28 December 2020 (UTC)

I'd rather it be in its greatest extent. Don't know much about ancient history, so not sure if 5th-6th were close to Albania's golden times, but it'd probably help regardless. — CuriousGolden (T·C) 13:58, 28 December 2020 (UTC)

@CuriousGolden: If I'm not mistaken it was more or less the same size after 387. The uncertain part is if Derbent and surroundings was ever part of it politically, at least in the pre-Islamic era. Reply to me mail so I can send the map. --HistoryofIran (talk) 14:16, 28 December 2020 (UTC)

Done. — CuriousGolden (T·C) 14:20, 28 December 2020 (UTC)

@CuriousGolden: Sent! --HistoryofIran (talk) 14:32, 28 December 2020 (UTC)

Thank you for your help! I'll try to recreate the Albania on your map with the style of the Atropatene map. Cheers. — CuriousGolden (T·C) 14:34, 28 December 2020 (UTC)

@CuriousGolden: Yw, I will look into the Derbent/Chol issue later, see if I can figure it out. HistoryofIran (talk)

Hello again! I've finished the map. Could you please tell me what you think about it and point out any possible mistakes in the map? — CuriousGolden (T·C) 18:30, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

@CuriousGolden: I think so. --HistoryofIran (talk) 19:20, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

I feel like there are too many cities and they've become a little cluttered. Do you think so too? And if so, which ones do you recommend I should delete? — CuriousGolden (T·C) 19:27, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

I've moved some city/country/region names around to make it look less cluttered. I'll open a discussion about the new map in Caucasian Albania now. — CuriousGolden (T·C) 19:57, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

@CuriousGolden: I see you changed your comment, so I'm not sure how helpful this comment will be, I'll still post it just in case; Imho I think it looks good, it's good to have a detailed map of a pretty obscure region, so we have an overview of how it looked. Imho if you started removing cities it would just make those areas of Albania look deserted. Also, with more cities, it means we can make more use of the map, such as adding it to articles of the cities. --HistoryofIran (talk) 19:59, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

Oh, I thought when you said "I think so", you were just agreeing that it looked good, didn't expect more comment. Sorry, lol. And I haven't removed any cities, so your comment is still helpful. My biggest concern was with cities in Iberia, since there seems to a much larger concentration of cities in that region than any other part of the map. Also, aside from this, do you know what I should name the place north of Albania or if there are any cities there, because it looks really empty right now. — CuriousGolden (T·C) 20:02, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

@CuriousGolden: Nvm, it's just me that need some sleep. I read a good chunk of your comments wrong. You didn't change any comment either, u just wrote a new one. To avoid confusion; I think the map looks great and it should be on the infobox of Albania, hehe. Personally the sight of Iberia doesn't really bother me - I will try to see if I can find more cities in Albania. --HistoryofIran (talk) 20:07, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

Thank you very much for your help! — CuriousGolden (T·C) 20:10, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

@CuriousGolden: I think I milked the cow as much as I could, I can't find more cities. Perhaps the explanation (besides the obvious "we dont know") of the lack of cities in the north would be that it wasn't that fun/smart to have much life going on there, as Derbent was specifically made to block the constant nomadic incursions? Perhaps geographical challenges played a role as well? Do you know of any special cities up there in present-day Azerbaijan? Perhaps we could try to do some research about them, see if any date back to the Albanian period. That's what I usually do when I have a hard time finding cities/towns in a certain place. --HistoryofIran (talk) 20:20, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

The white space above Albania would be modern Russia, but the empty part of Caucasian Albania in the north-east currently includes the modern cities of Quba and Qusar of Azerbaijan. I'm pretty sure Quba is a fairly old city. In the white space, which would now be Russia, the only old village I know is Akhty. — CuriousGolden (T·C) 20:30, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

@CuriousGolden: What I've found so far, will keep you updated I find more, will see if I can find something about Quba and the others;

"The early history of Baku is obscure, though the locality seems to be mentioned in Antiquity (cf. J. Marquart, Erannšahr, 97). It is perhaps to be identifed with the Gangara or Gaetara of Ptolemy (Geographia, ed. C. Müller, i/2, 929)." - Historic cities of the Islamic world, p. 47 --HistoryofIran (talk) 20:40, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

Gerhard Doerfer

Removed because "The Turkologist" sound a bit weird and his profession being mentioned in his article. Perhaps remove the "the" only. Beshogur (talk) 16:41, 28 December 2020 (UTC)

Not sure why it sounds weird, we need to introduce the person somehow. Eh, sure, go ahead. --HistoryofIran (talk) 16:43, 28 December 2020 (UTC)

Jalal-ud-din_Khalji

The source calls it Ramazan, not Ramadan.आज़ादी (talk) 18:48, 29 December 2020 (UTC)

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Template:Karnataka History

I added Hyderabad State into page of Template: Karnataka History due to she ruled Gulbarga division of Karnataka. This region was also known as Hyderabad-Karnataka. However, you reverted this addition. Why ? Please, you stop making mistake about this fact and add her into Karnataka History.Cemsentin1 (talk) 22:55, 3 January 2021 (UTC)

I don't even recall editing this, feel free to add it back. --HistoryofIran (talk) 23:01, 3 January 2021 (UTC)

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Notice of ArbCom discussion

Hi, just making you aware that Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case#Syrian_Kurdistan exists, since you commented in prior discussions on the issues raised there. GPinkerton (talk) 11:54, 10 January 2021 (UTC)

Category:Shaykhavand has been nominated for deletion

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Whether to create sanctions that might apply to the topic of the Kurds

Hello HistoryofIran. I see you as engaged in a lonely struggle to keep Safavid Dynasty in line with the available sources. At this moment it seems that Arbcom is considering whether to make the topic of the Kurds subject to discretionary sanctions. Is this something that might have value generally, at least for the topics you work on? Thanks, EdJohnston (talk) 16:37, 10 January 2021 (UTC)

There is some reading matter at Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case#Syrian Kurdistan. See especially the arbiter comments at the end. The type of issue that you run into in your daily work is, I think, not so much the current wars on the ground but more of a traditional nationalist edit warring. That is, where members of various groups show up on Wikipedia and try to claim credit for their side, whenever there has been a famous person or kingdom whose precise ethnic affiliation is not clear. This is the kind of thing that used to happen in the domain of WP:ARBEE, where the availability of sanctions was beneficial. EdJohnston (talk) 18:05, 10 January 2021 (UTC)

Well, imo as a whole I don't think that the topic of Kurds need to have sanctions, but there are definitely certain sections that need more order, such as the Safavids and (seemingly) Syrian Kurdistan. I'm just honestly tired of constantly being at odds with brand new IPs and users who tend to push ethno-nationalistic Turkic pov. Turkic history and heritage is so rich yet articles like Safavids, Scythians etc are the constant focus. Imagine if all that energy went somewhere else, to actually help improve the quality of articles. Obviously this is no attempt to undervalue users of Turkic background, as we do thankfully have many great users who do help a ton here in Wikipedia, but I sure wish there were more of these. As I say this, this happens [98]. --HistoryofIran (talk) 18:58, 10 January 2021 (UTC)

Can you think of the wording of a sanction that would cover the Safavids? I could imagine a sanction that had the word 'Turkic' in it but that would risk being too broad. How about 'Disputes about ethnic identity in Central Asia'? EdJohnston (talk) 20:05, 10 January 2021 (UTC)

Erh, would 'Disputes about ethnic identity in Western and Central Asia' work? Safavid history doesn't really belong to Central Asia. --HistoryofIran (talk) 20:49, 10 January 2021 (UTC)

How would you word something that includes Iran, and includes the largest extent of Arab control in the Middle Ages, as well as of Turks or Turkic peoples, and of Persians. So it would cover everything that could be disputed Turk/Arab/Persian in Wikipedia? EdJohnston (talk) 21:49, 10 January 2021 (UTC)

Perhaps 'Disputes about ethnic identity in the Islamic world'? --HistoryofIran (talk) 21:53, 10 January 2021 (UTC)

That could be the best. The wording would also catch Southeast Asia but that shouldn't be a large problem. We don't care if the sanctions extend into South Asia because that area already has WP:ARBIPA. EdJohnston (talk) 21:58, 10 January 2021 (UTC)

Reverting without concensus

My apologies, but it was you who started reverting my edits. Please discuss it in the talk page before reverting any edits. You can argue my comment in the talk page of Caucasus.KHE'O (talk) 18:43, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

@Kheo17: That's not how the guildelines work, it is you who is removing something, thus is it you who has to discuss it on the talk page, not me. --HistoryofIran (talk) 19:09, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

It was not something to discuss in the talk page, not all edits need to be discussed in the talk pages. It is just a fact one-click away from you. Please discuss it under the talk page now. I will wait for your arguments for a week as per the rule of thumb for closure suggested by Wikipedia. Thanks. --KHE'O (talk) 19:15, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

It was at that moment you got reverted. There's fortunately nothing to discuss, feel free to revert. --HistoryofIran (talk) 19:19, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

Anniversary

	Vicennalia
	Thanks for all your work for the encyclopaedia; it's twenty years old today! GPinkerton (talk) 19:44, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

@GPinkerton: Thank you and likewise :) That's a lotta years ^^. --HistoryofIran (talk) 19:48, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

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A barnstar for you!

	The Tireless Contributor Barnstar
	BTW, I think you're an essential contributor to the project, and you've also been a great model editor to follow. I'll keep away from controversial articles for a while, so if you need help working on anything more history-oriented let me know. :-) Stefka Bulgaria (talk) 18:53, 17 January 2021 (UTC)

Thank you Stefka, honored to hear it from a user who is quite essential himself :) And sure thing! --HistoryofIran (talk) 20:01, 17 January 2021 (UTC)

I taught talking the truth will not hurt anybody.

Why did you erase the truth and even when you get back the page to what it was the reader will not understand the true reason for the Sassanid invasion of yemen Hussen Homeritae (talk) 23:10, 17 January 2021 (UTC)

Sorry, but your English was broken (u didnt even use capital letters) and u added information which wasn't cited with sources, thus u got reverted. --HistoryofIran (talk) 23:14, 17 January 2021 (UTC)

Quick Question

Hello, just a quick question as to why you reverted my most recent edit? I am new here and I would be grateful if you could briefly let me know. Thanks.

Because they weren't of Azeri origin, please read each respective article, and also the guidelines (WP:OR, WP:RS, WP:UNDUE, WP:NPOV, WP:SPS etc etc). --HistoryofIran (talk) 13:04, 19 January 2021 (UTC)--

Apologies, I'm still familiarizing myself with the guidelines and the community rules.

As for the origin, don't mean disrespect but it seems fairly clear that they were. I read the articles for Afsharids and the Qajars carefully, and here is what I see:

Qajar dynasty:

"The Qajar dynasty was an Iranian royal dynasty of Turkic origin, specifically from the Qajar tribe, ruling over Iran from 1789 to 1925."

> Qajar tribe > Background:

"The Qajars were one of the original Turkoman Qizilbash tribes that emerged and spread in Asia Minor around tenth and eleventh centuries...

In the 1980s the Qajar population exceeded 15,000 people, most of whom lived in Iran. According to Olson et al., the Qajars are nowadays considered as a branch of the Azerbaijanis."

So a couple of things I think (and maybe you will disagree):

1 (Just ignoring all the facts and using simple mathematics – probability) If they are Turkic, and if they are an Iranian royal dynasty, I think it's fair to say they are most likely Azerbaijani. If you look at any modern map of Iran, it is difficult to ignore the fact that the single largest Turkic ethnic group in Iran are the Azeris at 16% of the total Iranian population, and then in the second place come the Turkic Turkmens at a mere 2%. So if one completely ignores all other information and solely focuses just on this, one can clearly see that if it is a relatively recent Turkic dynasty, in Iran, it is almost definitely Azerbaijani or Turkmen in origin.

2 If Qajars were indeed a Turkoman Qizilbash tribe, then that means that the Qajars were a Shia militant group that flourished in Iranian Azerbaijan, Anatolia, and Kurdistan from the late 15th century onwards. That being said, if we combine this knowledge together with the knowledge in my point #1, then this means we can automatically exclude the possibility of the Turkic Qajar tribe in question being of Turkmen origin since Turkmens are followers Sunni Islam and have historically been followers of Sunni Islam, not Shia Islam that Azerbaijanis follow. So by default, excluding any other information and only focusing on my points #1 and #2, we can confidently assert that the Qajars are almost certainly Azerbaijani by origin.

3 It literally says on the page titled "Qajar tribe" in the "background" that "the Qajars are nowadays considered as a branch of the Azerbaijanis".

^ The above is the evidence for just the Qajars, the evidence for the Azerbaijani roots of the Afsharid dynasty is greater still.

Considering all the above, I think there is nothing wrong with my edits. If you think otherwise, please let me know and we can discuss further :)

This is why I advised you to read the guidelines. You're making your own personal conjectures, that's not how it works here. Please click and read the links above. --HistoryofIran (talk) 13:49, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

Helpful site

Search for books on this site.[99] --Kansas Bear (talk) 00:55, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

Thanks :)! --HistoryofIran (talk) 14:14, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

Greater Khorasan

Hi, You might have overlooked the edits that I had made. You reverted everything just because of a single point (on Oxus). This is not constructive. I had added a credible source (Cambridge University's series on Iran edited by Prof. Yarshater), clarified the usage of Khorasan in its strict and loose sense, and had corrected the links. Regrettably you reverted all of them back. I am taking your point on Oxus, so preserved the initial rewording, but adding the other edits back. Please have a careful look before you revert them back. P.S. there is an internal inconsistency in the current definition. If we're saying that Khorasan stretched to Oxus (Amu Darya) in its strict usage of the term, then how come we're saying that it included parts of Central Asia. This is why I had corrected this saying that Khorasan stretched to Syr Darya. Anyhow, I am leaving this as it was, so no issues. Cabolitæ (talk) 16:37, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

@Cabolitae: No I did see it. There were various definitions of Khorasan, but the limit at Oxus seems to be the most common one (I initially wanted to expand on this myself, but got lazy [100]). Anyhow, looks like I kinda messed up, soz, and thanks. --HistoryofIran (talk) 16:39, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

@HistoryofIran:: If you allow, I'll add your reference to its establishment under Sassanians. I think it's an important point to be included in the article. Thanks. Cabolitæ (talk) 09:09, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

I mean, you did it anyways lol. But yeah sure, I don't mind. Btw, regarding the You might have overlooked the edits that I had made. I thought you were referring to the edits u had just made around the time you wrote that comment, not your original edit which I reverted. On that I did indeed overlook some parts of it. --HistoryofIran (talk) 14:36, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

You don't have history

You don't have history because you stealing Turkic history true ? You iranians ruled by Turks +900 year. Why you don't accept Harvard and Oxford? But you accept iranic online. You have problems. Mullah iranic kid ....😂😂😂😂 HistoriaTurce (talk) 04:45, 22 January 2021 (UTC)

@EdJohnston: Got another one. More or less all of his edits have been WP:TENDENTIOUS ([101]). --HistoryofIran (talk) 04:52, 22 January 2021 (UTC)

@HistoriaTurce:The guy trying to steal Italian history is claiming others have no history. Amazing "logic" there. Neither the Harvard nor Oxford source claimed anything remotely close to the nonsense you tried to put there, but what do you expect from the guy that tried using turkish wikipedia as a "reliable" source [102].

P.S: No such thing as "Turan" existed before we invented it, might be hard for you to accept though :D --Qahramani44 (talk) 05:49, 22 January 2021 (UTC)