Talk:Gian Carlo Menotti

POV

Re: "With Goya Menotti reverted to a traditional Giovane Scuola Italian style - perhaps written 80 years too late, it might well have established itself (for a while at least) in the repertoire in an earlier period. But in a modernist world Menotti's work was rejected.":

This strikes me as a subjective assessment. If someone famous is responsible for it, the article should attribute it to that person (directly, not in a footnote). If not, I think it should be deleted. TheScotch (talk) 12:00, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

Well frankly Goya was only one of many works leveled with that criticism. Pretty much all of his works from the late 1950s on were rejected by critics for bring too romantic, trite, sachrine, etc. He never embraced the avante garde and paid for it.4meter4 (talk) 17:45, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

Yeah? Well, I happen to have seen the PBS version of the opera back in 1985 (approximately), and I thought it was awful. My opinion has nothing whatsoever to do with a particular interest in "the avant garde", nor do I dislike most of Menotti's more famous works. My opinion doesn't belong on the Wikipedia article page, of course, but neither does anyone else's opinion, or anyone's rationalized apologia, unless it can be (and is) attributed--directly--to someone notable. I'm removing the passage. You can restore it if you like with the attribution. TheScotch (talk) 07:08, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

Maybe this crushing review from the NY Times can be considered a notable opinion.--Francesco Malipiero (talk) 17:51, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

Thanks. TheScotch (talk) 22:01, 28 September 2011 (UTC)

What does "a traditional Giovane Scuola Italian style" mean? 173.88.246.138 (talk) 03:43, 5 August 2021 (UTC)

See the article: Giovane scuola.4meter4 (talk) 03:49, 5 August 2021 (UTC)

The Old Maid and the Thief

The article describes Old Maid as being one of the earliest 'radio operas.' Reference to the article on 'radio opera' would seem to indicate that this is not a true statement. Indeed Old Maid may possibly be seen as actually late in the 'heyday' of the form. FrankMJohnson (talk) 06:55, 3 September 2022 (UTC)

American composer

There is currently a dispute whether Menotti should be categorized as an American composer. Given his biography and work, especially his operas, I suggest he should, as does the Italian Wikipedia article. User:Nirva20 maintains that because Menotti didn't acquire US citizenship, he shouldn't. I have restored the article to its long stable version and await a wider discussion here. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 03:54, 15 February 2024 (UTC)

• Of course he was an American composer. As far as I can tell, all but one of his works were in English. He left Italy at the age of 17 and moved to America, and lived to the age of 95. Passport status is irrelevant. Cf. [1], [2], [3].Softlavender (talk) 04:14, 15 February 2024 (UTC)

@Softlavender -- if passport status is irrelevant then why did Menotti intentionally refuse to become a US citizen? He was not legally a US citizen by his own choice. Choices have consequences and should be reflected in the article and categories.

Bizarrely, look at the effort somebody went to on the Mary Pickford page to falsely claim "America's Sweetheart" was never a US citizen, which she was which is why she had to petition the Canadian government to restore her Canadian citizenship before her death. Nirva20 (talk) 18:14, 15 February 2024 (UTC)