User talk:Iridescent

An administrator "assuming good faith" with an editor with whom they have disagreed.

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Bridges

As an authority on London bridges, do you have a view on the question I've raised at Talk:Westminster Bridge? It might be a particularly-noted feature of the bridge that needs a decent source, or it might just be silliness, so I'd welcome your views. Bencherlite^Talk 23:16, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

Please allow me to express my awe and admiration; I've never seen this page so short before. Waltham, The Duke of 15:38, 30 October 2009 (UTC)

I'd say absolutely not worth mentioning. Anything in a trefoil shape will cast a shadow that looks like a cock-and-balls when the sun's at a particular angle; since the trefoil is a very common motif in Gothic architecture, there's nothing particularly remarkable about this instance. – iridescent 18:31, 30 October 2009 (UTC)

Hope you're still around

Hey, Iridescent. Just wanted to drop a message off here, wondering that you're still around. I hope that the whole Mandall Creighton affair over at FAC hasn't got you down or anything, because it shouldn't have; I think you did everything right, and that Creighton deserves to be an FA. Anyway, hope to see you around, doing the same damn fine FA work you have in the past. Cheers, Skinny87 (talk) 18:20, 30 October 2009 (UTC)

She's not quite gone: see Special:Contributions/Iridescent 2. Majorly talk 18:26, 30 October 2009 (UTC)

Still here but busy at the moment. Because the Mandell Creighton saga spun out far longer than anticipated it was closed while I was away (probably just as well, as I suspect my replies to Team Mattisse would have been less than civil). – iridescent 18:31, 30 October 2009 (UTC)

Disgusted

I'm disgusted by this, from the Chief of Civility Police. I've tried acid myself when I was at university, and I very well know what it can do. Is there any way of getting this nutcase relieved of his tools asap? --Malleus Fatuorum 06:19, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

You want to desysop someone for dropping acid? --Closedmouth (talk) 07:34, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

It wouldn't go anywhere. Remember, Wikipedia's run by 20-somethings (yes I'm stereotyping, but not by much); look back to what you were like at that age. You and I are old enough to know acid casualties and LSD-suicides and see just how much it wrecks its users long-term, but I'm sure when you were that age you thought you were immortal too. If this were to go anywhere, Arbcom would probably privately sympathise with you (given that Arbcom's current most prominent members are a lawyer and a Mormon respectively), but wouldn't dare take any action. – iridescent 2 11:35, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

I don't care what substances people consume in the privacy of their own homes, but I don't want to have to factor into the stupidity that goes on here the possibility that the administrators may be tripping. It's bad enough when they're evidently and self-confessedly drunk. --Malleus Fatuorum 15:38, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

Ha. I just feel, oddly, like saying "Propriety!" When you get drunk, stoned, or drop hits, propriety demands you enjoy it by staying off of Wikipedia and decreasing the probability that you edit while intoxicated. Strangeness should not have to be excused; it should not occur in the first place. Drugs are to be used as an escape...from the crap that goes on here, not as something that factors in to the bullshit that makes one want to escape in the first place. --Moni3 (talk) 13:12, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

I always wondered one day whether there'd be a sooper dooper monobook code which could remotely sense chemicals through fingertips all round the world..and the fonts would change accordingly, so alcohol --> comic sans and brown, cannabis --> green ( and some groovy hipy font but I can think of a specific one), and LSD would be...um WingDings I think...Casliber (talk · contribs) 14:22, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

....... W. T. F. Ottava Rima (talk) 16:05, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

That about sums it up. Since Chillum is apparently sometimes on Wikipedia while on acid, this should affect how much trust we place in him to use his tools. If someone ran for RfA and this came up in the process, they'd be laughed out. Nev1 (talk) 16:09, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

On the contrary, my drug use got a few winks and chuckles at my RfA. The only opposition had nothing to do with it. Chillum 18:09, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

I learned a valuable lesson when I was 20 years old and inexperienced with drinking. My gf at the time (who was an alcoholic, though she denied it) told me that the trick to drinking is to portray yourself as never drunk. Only alcoholics and children think it's funny to be inebriated in public. When I start to teeter and am unable to keep myself upright, that lesson stuck with me so that that's my cue to go home and reel, fall, and walk into walls and chairs in the privacy of my own home. The same goes for Wikipedia. --Moni3 (talk) 16:20, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

• [1] It appears that Chillum will not be forth coming as to how his drug use may or may not affect his judgment as an admin. As such, I think that an RfC will be necessary if he continues to refuse, as he cannot be trusted with the ops until a clear explanation is given so his judgment can be determined as correct or not. Combined with his secret secondary account, this is problematic. Ottava Rima (talk) 18:07, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

• All drugs are not equal. I've got no problem with Chillum's evident use of cannabis, for instance, but powerful hallucinogenics are quite another matter, made more serious by the secrecy surrounding Chillum's secondary account. Does he only use that one when hallucinating? Why is he editing wikipedia when under the influence of hallucinegics? --Malleus Fatuorum 18:18, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

This is getting complicated. Do you have a list of drugs you allow and drugs you do not allow? Chillum 18:23, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

On the contrary, it's very simple. You were very evidently editing wikipedia when under the influence of a hallucinogenic. Can you be trusted when in that condition? --Malleus Fatuorum 18:26, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

Which edits do you take issue with? Chillum 18:27, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

@Iridescent, please feel free to send this circus to my talk page if it is bothering you at all. Chillum 18:28, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

Chillum, stay off of drugs when editing Wikipedia. Just stay off. Seriously. I could smoke you under the table--I'm not a prude. Just don't come on Wikipedia when altered. That you advertise it as if it's something to be proud of says more about your judgment than the drugs, but it compounds the problem. Edit here. Smoke off. Very simple. --Moni3 (talk) 18:31, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

It should be noted that there is no indication that he edited Wikipedia under the influence. He made no edits and took no administrative actions between posting his beginning-of-trip and end-of-trip notifications. Malleus and Ottava are just harrassing him, despite a complete lack of evidence that he edited Wikipedia. TenOfAllTrades(talk) 18:34, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

That is blatantly untrue. Unless you happen to know the name of Chillums's secret secondary account you have no way of knowing whether there's any indication or not. --Malleus Fatuorum 18:46, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

The mere fact that Chillum may have an alternate account does not strike me as an indication that he was editing using it at any given time. He's not using his primary account, so he must be editing with his other account is certainly one possible explanation for the quiescence of his primary account. Other reasonable explanations include, he was asleep or he thought he was stuck to the wallpaper, or he was listening to Pink Floyd. Do you have any evidence-based reason to prefer the first explanation over any of the others? TenOfAllTrades(talk) 19:07, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

I have exactly as much evidence that he was as you do that he wasn't. Hence I challenged your claim to know that he had not done so. Do you not see any difficulty with an administrator using and undisclosed secondary account, or are you so bewitched by the idea of AGF that you cannot see what's staring you in the face? Do you believe that it demonstrates good judgement to put a message on your talk page asking for understanding over the next few hours for anything stupid you might do because you've just taken a tab of acid? If the answer to that question is "No, that seems like a perfectly reasonable thing to do", then there really is no point in continuing with this discussion. --Malleus Fatuorum 19:54, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

Why is there a presumption of guilt, particularly in the absence of any evidence of wrongdoing? For that matter, why is there an assumed problem with the secondary account? Why would Chillum use his second account to engage in drug-addled abusive behaviour when he could just log out? You could seek evidence through appropriate channels (WP:RFCU or WP:ArbCom), but I agree — as long as you prefer to raise baseless accusations there isn't any point in continuing this discussion. TenOfAllTrades(talk) 20:08, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

There is no presumption of either guilt or innocence. There is simply common sense, which seems to be in rather short supply around here. Chillum has a secret alternate account. Chillum admits to editing while under the influence of hallucinogenics. Would he even remember if he'd used his alternate account during those episodes? Do you think it's appropriate for an administrator to be active while under the influence of hallucinogenics? Apparently you do, but I sure as hell don't. --Malleus Fatuorum 20:15, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

Where did Chillum state that he edited under the influence of hallucinogens, using any account? When did he use his administrative powers while under the influence? If there were evidence to support that Chillum repeatedly misused his admin tools, I would join you in clamoring for his bit. I would take recurring misuse of tools while under the influence as an exacerbating factor, and encourage a rapid desysopping if he were adminning inappropriately while altered. You still haven't offered any evidence of these things, and you seem averse to using the appropriate channels to resolve the issue. TenOfAllTrades(talk) 20:31, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

Perhaps you can't read. Was he also on acid 39 minutes earlier when he issued another one of his increasingly tedious civility warnings?[2] And given that we don't know the name of his secondary account, why assume that he didn't use his administrative powers while under the influence, or that he has never done so in the past? As for "appropriate channels", there are none to deal with this kind of administrative misbehaviour, or indeed any kind of administrative misbehaviour. --Malleus Fatuorum 20:36, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

You can make such requests on my talk page, I will not be engaging in this sort of debate on a third parties talk page. Chillum 18:33, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

Who is debating? Either stay off drugs while editing, or it should be assumed that all your edits are made under the influence, and therefore, not sober, not sound. --Moni3 (talk) 18:35, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

Can't you tell by just looking at the edits? Saying you don't want to debate then repeating your point expecting me to accept it is self-contradictory. Now seriously take it to my talk page or let it go. Chillum 18:38, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

I am not saying I don't wish to debate; I'm saying there is no debate. Are you unable to understand this? I cannot help myself: are you high right now? Is that what keeps you from comprehending? On Malleus' page a few days ago, you posted that name-calling is a nono, referring to Malleus characterizing either you or ... whoever else that was... as "pompous". You declined to reply when I pointed out that name calling inherently uses nouns, and no names were called. These are simple discrepancies, but you posed your comment as a warning. You warn to block although you demonstrate you do not understand. What is the root of your misunderstanding? --Moni3 (talk) 18:47, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

Until you reveal the name of your secret secondary account there is no way for anyone to check your edits, so you can't be trusted. --Malleus Fatuorum 18:49, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

Update

[3] - he goes on a wikibreak after his defenders start claiming he was joking and he refused to say either way. Then it was pointed out that he sent me a harassing email in which it made it seem like he wasn't joking. Ottava Rima (talk) 01:46, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

I went on wikibreak after being harassed by you for 10 hours. If you meant to drive me off to another website then mission accomplished. Chillum 01:52, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

Simple questions with simple answers. People were claiming you were joking. You did not correct them or admit that it was all just a joke. You have only yourself to blame for over 7 people disrupting in your "defense" and making a mockery out of Jimbo's talk page. Ottava Rima (talk) 01:57, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

Ok, good luck with that. Let me know when you convince anyone of that. Chillum 01:58, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

As I told you in response to your harassing email, there were at least 10 people who make blatant statements that your actions were inappropriate. If you think allowing someone to claim that you were merely "joking" and refusing to answer if you actually were or not is some how appropriate, and then attacking others for questioning you about it, then there is something really broken with your ability to process what is right or wrong. Ottava Rima (talk) 02:00, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

Wow, you harass me for 10 hours then I send you an e-mail asking you to stop and it is a "harassing" e-mail? Leave me alone, you are driving me away from Wikipedia. Not just because of what you do, but because the community lets you do it. Chillum 02:03, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

I have only made a handful of posts to your talk page. All were directly on point and all were asking you direct questions to explain certain comments made by you. Your continual use of "harassment" is in direct violation of WP:CIVIL. Your actions have been incredibly disruptive and personalized. You have refused to explain your own inappropriateness, nor do you try to put forth simple answers to allow for people to have a sense of what you were doing. The defense made by you and made by others can only be described as hysterical, as it is saying many different things with little evidence and throwing out hyperbolic terms such as "witchhunt" and comparisons to Kafka over a simple question. Thus, this is evidence that you and your defenders believed that you have really screwed up. You have damned yourself far more than anyone opposed to you could have. The irony is that you probably can't understand that fact. Ottava Rima (talk) 02:08, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

Just let it go man. These "defenders" you speak of are for the most part strangers to me. They are not disagreeing with you because they like me, they are doing so because you are acting disruptively. You sure have ruined my day. Thanks for that. Chillum 02:12, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

Lets see, the person asking a simple and straight forward question, or multiple people making incivil comments, personal attacks, and an admin that refuses to answer straight forward questions about their behavior and claim it is disruption when asked. Chillum, you are being disruptive, and if you never come back then Wikipedia is all the better. The fact that you still refuse to admit if it was a joke or not shows that you cannot be trusted. All you have to do is answer -one- simple question. One. Was it a joke? Ottava Rima (talk) 02:24, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

• Chillum is threatening me with blocks via email. One of his defenders has been making similar claims, and it is most likely that they have been in communication, as the two have been in sychronicity in most of their comments so far. Threats are probably a major statement that there is impropriety. Ottava Rima (talk) 02:35, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

• I find Chillum's "you are driving me away from Wikipedia" comment to be quite ironic. How many editors has his civility police driven away? --Malleus Fatuorum 02:44, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

Don't lie about what I have sent over e-mail, post the entire e-mail instead of your slanted view if you must. Let is go man. Chillum 02:40, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

"Please just stop or somebody is going to block you. " Hard to be more clear than that, Chillum. And your admittance that you weren't joking about doing drugs: "Take a hint, nobody gives a shit what drugs I do. The more you harp on about it the more you are going to look foolish. Wikipedia is not the place for people to wage drug wars." You think it is a "drug war". You poor victim. You bully, threaten, and what state of mind are you even in? You lack the capacity to be an effective admin, and your inappropriate attacks verify that. Ottava Rima (talk) 04:19, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

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Query

Have I ever mentioned that I just love the discussions on your talk page? :) SandyGeorgia (Talk) 20:10, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

I know I'm not a regular on this page, but can I just say ditto on what SG said? Dana boomer (talk) 20:32, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

Who knows where to find that tool for how many editors watch a given page? I want to see where Iri falls :) SandyGeorgia (Talk) 20:42, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

It's here. 242 watchers,[4], but you've got 311.[5] --Malleus Fatuorum 20:46, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

Thanks, Malleus (wanna query yourself, since my computer is slow?) :) SandyGeorgia (Talk) 20:49, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

I'm a lowly 179,[6] nobody cares what I think about anything. :lol: --Malleus Fatuorum 20:52, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

I'm surprised! Yours is another source of wisdom and chuckles :) No wonder Ottava announced the Gurchism at my page. I should put up an advertising space and collect fees! SandyGeorgia (Talk) 20:56, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

Wouldn't that be contrary to the spirit of the wiki? :) But ya, maybe ads would be a good idea! :) (KIDDING) ++Lar: t/c 23:52, 1 November 2009 (UTC) (who came here to read what the Chillum fuss was about)

I dunno, but I may have to unwatch Iri's page for a while; I'm starting to feel dopey. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 02:14, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

Please do! I'm only 3 behind her now so every little bit helps (not that numbers matter any) :) ++Lar: t/c 02:38, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

Somebody somewhere in my talk archives one posted some stat about my talk page having a ridiculously high number of posts, just behind Jimbo and somebody else. I personally think that Iri and Malleus are trying to lower my "rank" in the community talk page hierarchy :)) SandyGeorgia (Talk) 02:46, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

It's not the number of posts, it's the number of watchers :) Anyone can have a lot of blather at their page, it's when people watch :) ++Lar: t/c 02:48, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

There has to be some way to measure, say, Moni3's page vs. Iri's in terms of sheer enjoyment :) SandyGeorgia (Talk) 03:46, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

By the way, that's a cool tool! FAC has 900 watchers, while FAR has only 200. But WP:FA has 1,300 (I should stop fixing errors there and leave it to others!) SandyGeorgia (Talk) 03:52, 2 November 2009 (UTC)