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Kris Herzog

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Fails WP:GNG. Many references but almost all are tabloid-type rags. The article was apparently written and almost exclusively edited by one editor (probably the subject). It reads like an advertisement for the subject and his company. Bbb23 (talk) 22:40, 6 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Businesspeople-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 23:03, 6 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The piece has been edited by a number of people, none of which actually know the subject (to my knowledge). He is a noteworthy figure, hence the reason I chose to do an article on him. The dilemma is he seems to severely limit his interaction with the press. I've asked if anyone on here can assist in making it read less like an advertisement, but only one individual has yet to try and help. --Aad351 (talk) 23:35, 6 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Your brief edit history and your comments are unusual. It's odd that a journalism student would pick this particular person to write an article about. And I have no direct evidence that you are the subject or know the subject. Strictly speaking, it doesn't matter for the purpose of this discussion. However, your statement that "he seems to severely limit his interaction with the press" is directly at odds with his website. Indeed, he seems to crave publicity. I don't know whom you've asked to improve the article, but I can tell you that I wouldn't be interested because, as is obvious from my nomination, I don't believe the article should even be here. Even if the consensus is to keep the article, or there is no consensus, which defaults to a keep, I wouldn't want to work on the article. Regardless, the community will have the final word (not me) on whether the subject is sufficiently notable.--Bbb23 (talk) 00:11, 7 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Why wouldn't you work on it? When I say "severely limits his interaction," I mean he doesn't speak much to most of the press, but clearly he's a notable figure. If you're not open to work on it, is there any suggestions you could make to help me fix it? It'd be appreciated. --Aad351 (talk) 01:40, 7 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

This is really not relevant to this process, but how do you know "he doesn't speak much to most of the press"?--Bbb23 (talk) 01:43, 7 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I spent 2 months researching Kris Herzog, the world he lives and works in is primarily reported on by media sources like TMZ and TMZ.com, CelebDirtyLaundry, LickAblecelebs.com, RadarOnline.com, etc.... I also included more mainstream ones like; Los Angeles CBS 2 / KCAL 9, People Magazine, US Weekly, Life and Style weekly and several others listed on my Wikipedia page, which combined have published over 247 stories about Herzog, his Book, My True Hollywood Story and/or his company, The Bodyguard Group over the last 4 years.

As for Independent, since over 50% of the stories on TMZ and TMZ.com do NOT show Herzog in a good light, I would say they those are as Independent as you get.

The 21 Independent and verifiable sources I list include several national news media outlets like: Los Angeles CBS 2 / KCal 9 which have aired 2 News Anchor Sharon Tay in depth news investigations about Herzog (re Mel Gibson) for a total of over 10 minutes of air time, it was then re run nationally and internationally.

Herzog has been the central figure in over a dozen national and international news stories in just the last 4 years and that is far more than thousands of others who currently have pages on Wikipedia.

Herzog owns the only company in the United States that gets jobs for free for U.S. Navy SEAL team members and others.

Herzog was a key and central figure in some of the biggest news stories of 2009, 2010, 2011, Mel Gibson and Herman Cain.

Herzog's story is noteworthy and as 50% or more of the news stories I have sighted DO NOT paint him in a good light, this is clearly* NOT** self promotion, advertising or an auto biography.

**TMZ calls him a convicted felon who likes to impersonate cops, etc....

When you Google search: 1. Kris Herzog, 2. Kristian Herzog or 3. Kris Herzog Book, you get millions of results and Herzog has a higher standing and more noteworthiness than thousands of *people that currently have Wikipedia pages.

Like his contemporary Gavin De Becker. who currently has a Wikipedia page.

I have never met or spoken to him and only started this project to learn about Journalism and Wikipedia.

Amanda, NYC Student — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aad351 (talk • contribs) 04:33, 7 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: "Kris Herzog" (with the quotes) returned 8,260 Google hits for me. "Kristian Herzog" returned 8,080. Without the quotes 'Kris Herzog' returns 1,700,000 hits - and 'kris herzog spam' returns 888,000. Google search results indicate nothing... AndyTheGrump (talk) 05:05, 7 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - Notatility not found in a reliable source. Ariconte (talk) 06:13, 7 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - Even taking all stated claims as true, I know why we would have an article on him. He is notable or newsworthy. Being allegedly employed by someone notable doesn't make one notable. DreamGuy (talk) 20:14, 7 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Keep – Passes WP:BASIC requirements of non-trivial coverage in multiple third-party reliable sources. JFHJr (㊟) 20:15, 7 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Not going to lie but i don't think the author of this article and the subject are the same person. Wikipedia is not a place for promoting publicity. Plus per above.Trongphu (talk) 23:07, 7 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Strong keep - not a non-notable per WP:BIO and not a vanitybio. ukexpat (talk) 15:43, 9 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The negative entry about Herzog and 99% of the negative comments about him in every News story about Herzog, is by a stalker that has been stalking Kris Herzog for years, he is filing a civil case against her and his Attorney has already started to look for her, to have her served with a Restraining Order and Civil papers, one of her alleged witnesses will not stand up for her and have already stated she misquoted him, the other has been named in the civil suit and will be served papers soon.

Court Records Indicate: This female stalker uses many names and has already been arrested for stalking Herzog and other celebrities in the past, she was committed to the Arizona State Mental hospital twice for stalking.

It is a classic case of e-media or social media stalkers or "haters", people that will never be you, so they attack you for no reason.

I did a check with the BBB of America, in 44 years NO current or former client has ever sued or even filed a complaint against Mr Herzog or his company.

If you read her complaint carefully she offers NO eye witness testimony about anything she alleges, NONE PERIOD.

SHE HAS never MET or spoken to Mr Herzog in any way, shape or form, except to email his company weekly, begging and pleading for an interview of him or any of his Celebrity clients.

Her alleged witnesses have NEVER met Mr Herzog or witnessed anything they have alleged.

If we are to go by the FACTS and ONLY the FACTS here they are:

His 43 year old company The Bodyguard Group.

Herzog's web site CLEARLY states that they are NOT a security guard company, but ONLY a private referral group of elite military members.

These same people that attack him here on Wikipedia have made dozens of complaints against Mr Herzog and 100% of them have found to be UNFOUNDED and they were ALL dismissed.

Herzog's criminal record, from altercations with the aggressive criminal Paparazzi.

Herzog had stated in public interviews and fully admits to having thousands of violent altercations for the aggressive criminal Paparazzi.

Out of these thousands of violent, 100% work related altercations, Herzog has be charged in 3 cases, one 21 years ago, on 12 years ago and one 5 years ago. ALL 3 were verbal ONLY altercations, NO injuries, NO serious violence has ever been alleged. (pushing shoving excluded)

To have only 3 cases, all misdemeanors but 1, out of thousands of work related altercations aggressive criminal Paparazzi, gives Mr Herzog a record of staying out of trouble 99% of the time.

My father is a District (State's Prosecuting) Attorney, he pulled ALL of Mr Herzog's Police reports and court records.

As for concerns about Herzog being violent or dangerous, My Father, after speaking to the Officers involved with Herzog said this: "Herzog is not made for Hollywood, he to far to direct, upfront and honest and that makes enemies fast in the world he works in, he using the images of himself with celebrities to get jobs for U.S. Veterans for FREE, that pisses off the normal security companies that do not do it for free."

Herzog's criminal record, from altercations with the aggressive criminal Paparazzi.:

Of ALL of Mr Herzog's courts cases, ALL have been dismissed, PERIOD. (1 after a plea deal, to stay out of trouble for 3 years, which he has and that was dismissed as well).

If ANY of the so called PI or companies had the impressive Celebrity photos like Herzog does, they would also use them to get jobs, just not free of charge for U.S. Veterans, like Herzog and his father before him, has been doing since 1967.

His attackers do not have a web site like Herzog, with thousands of celebrity photos, so they are jealous of his success.

Members of The Secret Service and Herman Cain's staff had been on Herzog's web site for several days BEFORE Herzog was hired by the Herman Cain campaign, what does that tell you. Maybe they know more about the REAL Kris Herzog than any of us.

Has Herzog been in trouble, yes he has, but I think we all deserve a 2nd chance and ALL reports were Herzog did an outstanding job protecting Herman Cain, evidenced by the photos of Herzog with Herman Cain, taken AFTER the TMZ story broke and Herzog was headed home.

If Herzog is so bad, why is it that after thousands of stories have been run about him, NOT one ex girlfriend, NOT on ex Employee, NOT one ex Client has ever said anything negative about him ?

If he is so bad, why don't ALL the celebrities demand to be taken off of his web site ?

Maybe Herzog is just a human as any of us, not perfect, made mistakes, but even his worst critics have NEVER offered any proof that he is not what he says he is, a U.S. Veteran Helping his fellow Veterans with FREE of charge job placement.

Again, please note;

If we are to go by the FACTS and ONLY the FACTS here they are: She or Her alleged witnesses have NEVER met Mr Herzog or witnessed anything they have alleged.

Every negative comment about Herzog is 100% from what they have read about him in the tabloids.

Amanda, NYC Student