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I have no intention of digging around for further evidence. Others might feel compelled to do so. I do not believe that it benefits the project as a whole to lose BrownHairedGirl either as an editor or as an administrator, but some measure may be required to bar further activity in the vein of addressing the character of disagreeing parties, rather than the subject of the disagreement. [[User:BD2412|<span style="background:gold">'''''BD2412'''''</span>]] [[User talk:BD2412|'''T''']] 05:08, 30 November 2019 (UTC) |
I have no intention of digging around for further evidence. Others might feel compelled to do so. I do not believe that it benefits the project as a whole to lose BrownHairedGirl either as an editor or as an administrator, but some measure may be required to bar further activity in the vein of addressing the character of disagreeing parties, rather than the subject of the disagreement. [[User:BD2412|<span style="background:gold">'''''BD2412'''''</span>]] [[User talk:BD2412|'''T''']] 05:08, 30 November 2019 (UTC) |
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==Evidence presented by FeydHuxtable== |
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Like BD2412 I feel it would greatly hurt the project to lose BHG as an editor or admin. She's made over 1.5 million edits, is fiercely intelligent, cultured, and is sometimes helpful and kind. Yet she does seem to get over passionate on some topics. Possibly leading to a tunnel vision effect, where anyone who doesn't share her take of a situation appears dishonest or incompetent. Coming from such an authoritative admin, the many thousands of words she's posted against pro portal editors may have caused some to think there is equal fault on both sides. So posting a few examples to suggest this is not the case. |
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===There's been little wrong doing by pro portal editors; assertions to the contrary collapse under scrutiny=== |
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*[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case&diff=prev&oldid=927796036 "The disputes began with" The Transhumanist (TTH) ...] |
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It's probably more accurate to say it began with [[WP:ENDPORTALS]] – as per [[User:The Transhumanist|TTH]]'s own words, the failed proposal to mass delete portals is what [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Village_pump_(proposals)/RfC:_Ending_the_system_of_portals&diff=prev&oldid=844900667 "inspired"] him to relaunch WikiProject Portals & hence move on to his overly optimistic mass creations. (See talk page for a more detailed timeline of the dispute.) |
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*[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents&diff=925582197&oldid=925582148 "Those three diffs are of edits where I provide evidence to show that NA1K was systematically lying ..."] |
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The [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Miscellany_for_deletion/Portal:Transport&diff=925456783&oldid=925441145 3] [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Miscellany_for_deletion/Portal:Schleswig-Holstein_(2nd_nomination)&diff=925449740&oldid=925444240 attack] [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Miscellany_for_deletion/Portal:Schleswig-Holstein_(2nd_nomination)&diff=925439810&oldid=925435212 diffs] in question actually contain zero evidence, merely over-passionate arguments. NA1K had been arguing to the effect that while WP:POG can no longer claim to be a formal guideline, it still has an advisory function (like an essay). Admittedly NA1K didn't word it that clearly, yet it was rather bizarre that BHG seems to read his reasonable argument as evidence of dishonestly. Every other statement I've seen alleging bad faith by the pro editors is either evidence free, or equally unconvincing. |
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* NA1K's improvements to ~100 portals were an [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents&diff=prev&oldid=921045480 "extraordinarily huge breach of WP:FAITACCOMPLI"]. |
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NA1K's improvements were executed over a period of several weeks, largely including talk page comments, and multiple individual edits to each portal (This can be quickly verified by looking at the tables [[Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/IncidentArchive1020#Should BrownHairedGirl's mass portal reversions be reverted, to restore portal improvements that occurred?|in this ANI archive section]] and clicking on a few of the portals to confirm the accuracy.) So it's a bit of a stretch to describe NA1K's improvements as even a minor breach of WP:FAIT, let alone an "extraordinarily huge" one. That description could more fairly describe BHGs [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents&diff=prev&oldid=921014576 "truly shocking"] mass reverts, which were all done on a single day. [[User:FeydHuxtable|FeydHuxtable]] ([[User talk:FeydHuxtable|talk]]) 13:20, 30 November 2019 (UTC) |
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Evidence presented by AmericanAir88
BrownHairedGirl exhibits unacceptable behavior
- Throughout this entire conflict, the user BrownHairedGirl has exhibited bad behavior through harassment and mass reverting. Most of the harassment is targeted at the user Northamerica1000, a user who is trying to improve portals. Here is an example of harassment on Northamerica1000. Northamerica is frequently a target as differences like this are common as well. In the recent ANI, BHG created a section called "NA1K is gaming the system again". The name calling and verbal abuse of NA1K is present through other edits such as this. Here is an example of the reverting that takes place. Additional evidence is through this and this. Edit summaries are a frequent location for attack.
- The harassment has been noticed by the community, with a whole section titled Civility issues with User:BrownHairedGirl created. User:Vermont/BHGANI sums up the situation at the recent ANI very well.
- BHG isn't just harassing NorthAmerica, she harasses other users like in this edit. The User:Vermont/BHGANI sums it up well. The behavior is unacceptable in discussions and I have been the target of accusations as well form the users. AmericanAir88(talk) 06:22, 28 November 2019 (UTC)
BrownHairedGirl should be desysopped as the user violates admin conduct
- Reasons for Desysop of BrownHairedGirl (Copied from my ANI proposal). Diffs provided above:
- 1. Harassment. Plenty of evidence is prominent through diffs and this discussion. Targets other users. This violates WP:ADMINCOND and is against Wikipedia policy through the pilars.
- 2. Violation of WP:ADMINACCT. BHG does not reason properly as she erupts into poor judgement and accusations. She breaches multiple policies
- 3. Reverting and edit warring. Violation of WP:TOOLMISUSE by reverting other admin's edits. She reverts other users edits without consensus and does not consider WP:ALTREV and WP:ROWN.
- 4. Not a role model for non-admins. Administrators are meant to be examples of Wikipedias who excel in the pilars and understand all policies. They are meant to cooperate and help build an encyclopedia. BHG being able to commit activities I mention above is not what an Admin stands for or what ANY Wikipedian should be doing. AmericanAir88(talk) 06:22, 28 November 2019 (UTC)
Evidence presented by BD2412
BrownHairedGirl needs to temper her communications with others
I have only one "argument", which is to restate my relevant comments from the discussion proposing this case:
For full disclosure, I have twice initiated discussions on User:BrownHairedGirl's user talk page, archived here and here, to suggest that she refrain from characterizing editors with whom she has policy disagreements as liars. These discussions generally arose in response to statements made in Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Golf and Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Ohio State University, which are worth examining. I do believe that she has toned down her invective following these discussions, but still evinces a tendency to view such disagreements through an ill-fitting moral lens in which those who think differently are harshly characterized as dishonest or incompetent.
I have no intention of digging around for further evidence. Others might feel compelled to do so. I do not believe that it benefits the project as a whole to lose BrownHairedGirl either as an editor or as an administrator, but some measure may be required to bar further activity in the vein of addressing the character of disagreeing parties, rather than the subject of the disagreement. BD2412 T 05:08, 30 November 2019 (UTC)
Evidence presented by FeydHuxtable
Like BD2412 I feel it would greatly hurt the project to lose BHG as an editor or admin. She's made over 1.5 million edits, is fiercely intelligent, cultured, and is sometimes helpful and kind. Yet she does seem to get over passionate on some topics. Possibly leading to a tunnel vision effect, where anyone who doesn't share her take of a situation appears dishonest or incompetent. Coming from such an authoritative admin, the many thousands of words she's posted against pro portal editors may have caused some to think there is equal fault on both sides. So posting a few examples to suggest this is not the case.
There's been little wrong doing by pro portal editors; assertions to the contrary collapse under scrutiny
It's probably more accurate to say it began with WP:ENDPORTALS – as per TTH's own words, the failed proposal to mass delete portals is what "inspired" him to relaunch WikiProject Portals & hence move on to his overly optimistic mass creations. (See talk page for a more detailed timeline of the dispute.)
The 3 attack diffs in question actually contain zero evidence, merely over-passionate arguments. NA1K had been arguing to the effect that while WP:POG can no longer claim to be a formal guideline, it still has an advisory function (like an essay). Admittedly NA1K didn't word it that clearly, yet it was rather bizarre that BHG seems to read his reasonable argument as evidence of dishonestly. Every other statement I've seen alleging bad faith by the pro editors is either evidence free, or equally unconvincing.
- NA1K's improvements to ~100 portals were an "extraordinarily huge breach of WP:FAITACCOMPLI".
NA1K's improvements were executed over a period of several weeks, largely including talk page comments, and multiple individual edits to each portal (This can be quickly verified by looking at the tables in this ANI archive section and clicking on a few of the portals to confirm the accuracy.) So it's a bit of a stretch to describe NA1K's improvements as even a minor breach of WP:FAIT, let alone an "extraordinarily huge" one. That description could more fairly describe BHGs "truly shocking" mass reverts, which were all done on a single day. FeydHuxtable (talk) 13:20, 30 November 2019 (UTC)
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