Talk:Rob Schenck

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Sentence needs editing

There seems to be a word/s missing from this sentence: "Since 2001, Schenck has maintained ministerial credentials as an ordained member of the Methodist Episcopal Church USA, a continuously be (?) of Maryland-based Methodists that traces its roots back to the famous 1784 Baltimore Christmas Conference." — Preceding unsigned comment added by PlantSwordfish (talk • contribs) 15:00, 20 November 2018 (UTC)

I removed "as an ordained member of the Methodist Episcopal Church USA, a continuously be of Maryland-based Methodists that traces its roots back to the famous 1784 Baltimore Christmas Conference" and think the entire unsourced paragraph should be removed. The Methodist Episcopal Church traced its roots to the Christmas Conference, but that denomination was replaced, by merger, with the Methodist Church in 1939. The only indications I can find that a "Methodist Episcopal Church USA" exists are a Facebook page and references at the website of St. Paul Christian University, a non-accredited institution founded in 1997. The Facebook page makes it look like the church is more of a support organization for Methodists who think real Methodist churches are too liberal. The site appears to have no information about churches one may attend, clergy, or organizational structure.

If no one else responds, I will remove the entire paragraph. LRS1964 (talk) 00:19, 28 January 2019 (UTC) Done. LRS1964 (talk) 18:44, 21 February 2019 (UTC)

Removed text

CC-BY-SA declaration; text below removed from the article by me; I'm leaving it here in case its removal breaks any references; the material is not appropriate for the article, which is about Schenck and not this film. Baffle gab1978 04:36, 13 January 2019 (UTC)

The Armor of Light documentary

Disney's Film about Schenck has been praised for its cinematography and for its sensitive and fair treatment of the subject. The New York Times says "the film presents some fresh-sounding arguments about Christianity and guns as intriguing jumping-off points rather than open-and-shut cases." Schenck himself has received praise for his fearless assessment of his long founded viewpoint. and his clearheaded thinking on the subject. In an interview with Christianity Today, Schenck described his new-found conclusion on the proliferation of guns in American Christian culture. He observed "that kind of thought (gun proliferation even in churches) introduces a huge problem for the testimony of the Gospel--, but that's all driven by fear. And fear is driven by other elements. Fear of the other is the fuel. But as Jesus tells us many times, the Gospel is the antidote to fear."

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Cheers, Baffle gab1978 04:36, 13 January 2019 (UTC)

Correct Methodist church name

He is not "an ordained minister of the Methodist Episcopal Church," which was replaced by the Methodist Church in 1939. His Facebook page says he is affiliated with the Methodist Evangelical Church USA, which I found no information about. I want to make the change, but unsure (new to editing articles) whether to do it before finding a source that--how to put this--demonstrates its existence. LRS1964 (talk) 21:48, 16 January 2019 (UTC) I removed three non-sourced references to the Methodist Episcopal Church or Methodist Episcopal Church USA (denominations in which he was said to be ordained) and changed the other (affiliation) to the Methodist Evangelical Church USA, which is on his Facebook page. LRS1964 (talk) 17:52, 27 January 2019 (UTC)

Inappropriate edit warring re: Norma McCorvey situation

User 3Kingdoms has been attempting to slow-edit-war away the notation that Schenk was involved in the fraud in which Norma McCorvey was paid to falsely portray herself as having changed her opinion regarding abortion. This is the talk section because they continued edit-warring even after multiple editors reverted their removal of material which has stood, well sourced, for months.

Pinging @NorthBySouthBaranof:, @Avatar317: as the editors who have previously had to deal with this behavior. IHateAccounts (talk) 04:15, 22 November 2020 (UTC)

Yes, the material has WP:IMPLICITCONSENSUS by dint of being in the article, unchallenged, for an extended period of time. 3Kingdoms is welcome to attempt to develop a new consensus to remove it, but is not entitled to edit-war it out. NorthBySouthBaranof (talk) 04:18, 22 November 2020 (UTC)

As I have said before there is no evidence Schenck had anything but a passing influence on Norma. The claim of fraud is disputed by other sources, including someone who had known her for 20+ years. The other article I posted from TAC also disputes. Of course since Schenck claims it happened it should be included on his page. Just not in the heading. 3Kingdoms (talk) 05:24, 22 November 2020 (UTC)

There is strong evidence, sourced on this page, that Schenk (and his arrangement of monetary payoffs) were an enormous influence on Norma McCorvey. [1] If you want to make a change, you need to provide real sourcing, not edit-war and constantly try to remove well sourced material against consensus. IHateAccounts (talk) 17:59, 22 November 2020 (UTC)

You clearly misread the article. It says that Operation Save America paid her. Schenck was never head of the organization and for that matter he is not mentioned on its wiki page nor is it mentioned on his. Schenck was not the person that converted her on either occasion. In fact Schenck whole statement is a minor paragraph right in the middle. As noted before Frank Pavone knew her for much longer and disputed this claim. There is no reason why this should be in the heading, Schenck is not known for this. He was bit player in Norma's life. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 3Kingdoms (talk • contribs) 18:50, 23 November 2020 (UTC)

"Rob Schenck is one of the evangelical pastors who paid her to make public appearances on behalf of the anti-abortion movement. " [2] IHateAccounts (talk) 05:34, 25 November 2020 (UTC)

Yes, one of the alleged, not the main mover, not one that started it, one of. Now since no one else has admitted to it and Schenck has left the Pro-life movement, their is a conflict of interest here. The Question is, was the alleged act something Schenck is most known for, the answer is no. 3Kingdoms (talk) 16:08, 25 November 2020 (UTC)

You are really, really invested in his involvement being minimized. Why is that? '"“I had checks made out to her and I signed those checks and in many cases I handed them to her. I gave her envelopes full of cash in those days,” Schneck said." [3] IHateAccounts (talk) 16:41, 25 November 2020 (UTC)