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Make sure the item you want to nominate has an article that meets our minimum requirements and contains reliable coverage of a current event you want to create a blurb about. We will not post about events described in an article that fails our quality standards.
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Create a level 4 header with the article name (==== Your article here ====). Add (RD) or (Ongoing) if appropriate.
Then paste the {{ITN candidate}} template with its parameters and fill them in. The news source should be reliable, support your nomination and be in the article. Write your blurb in simple present tense. Below the template, briefly explain why we should post that event. After that, save your edit. Your nomination is ready!
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Islamic State militants attack two gas facilities northwest of Kirkuk in northern Iraq, killing at least five people and wounding six policemen. Three assailants detonated their explosive vests and a fourth was killed in clash with security forces. (Reuters)
Oppose. Every section has at least one completely uncited paragraph, and the "Becoming Chiyonofuji" section has no references at all. Thryduulf (talk) 14:25, 31 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose until referenced adequately. Just because we can nominate anyone with an article, it doesn't mean we can nominate sub-standard articles. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:45, 31 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Article needs updating Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Oppose in current state - has not been updated e.g. "resides in Moscow", several "citation needed" tags, plus the awards list is not fully cited. Also some typos and some rather expansive statements which appear uncited e.g. "the most famous intellectual of Abkhazia". MurielMary (talk) 11:00, 31 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose until referenced adequately, and until the puffery is addressed. Just because we can nominate anyone with an article, it doesn't mean we can nominate sub-standard articles. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:46, 31 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Oppose. Situation seem relatively minor as of right now. While a bad incident, only one dead as of now. I would question if it even merits an article. 331dot (talk) 10:07, 31 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
It is now being reported(including in an update to the CNN story) that Austin Police is stating this was two unrelated incidents, not a mass shooting. Even more opposed now. 331dot (talk) 10:16, 31 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. Two run-of-the-mill US shootings that coincidentally happened a few blocks apart shortly after one another. The target article is now at AfD (nominated by 331dot). Thryduulf (talk) 14:12, 31 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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The deadly, nine-day old Soberanes Fire, blazing south of Carmel-by-the-Sea, has destroyed 57 homes and is expected to grow to 170,000 acres (265 square miles) before it's done. It is 15 percent contained. Six major Big Sur State Parks remain closed through August 6. (Reuters)(Los Angeles Times)
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Comment I'm borderline on this one. The last sentence of the lead could do with a citation, but other than that what is there is good. However, it really could do with expansion - what did he do between 1955 (when the infobox says he became active in his profession) and 1961 (the first date in prose). What else other than Postman Pat (if anything?) did he do since the mid 1980s? Thryduulf (talk) 08:14, 31 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose until expanded adequately. Just because we can nominate anyone with an article, it doesn't mean we can nominate sub-standard articles. The general ITNC rules apply, namely There is a sufficiently updated non-stub article, with credible sources cited.. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:48, 31 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's comments: I've only just recently had the misfortune to stumble into this article, I'm not seeing it widely reported, and I read a sentence from the lead, namely The riot police consisting of Jammu and Kashmir Police and Indian para-military forces pellet Guns, teargas shells, rubber bullets and also live ammunition on the protesters, resulting in one policeman and more than 50 protesters were killed and over 1,300 were injured in the clashes within four days which makes little sense, to me at least, not to mention being grammatically incorrect and having a dab link. I daren't go much further into the article. We are really supposed to be quality-controlling articles that we promote onto the main page. I don't think this meets the requirements, neither in terms of newsworthiness right now, nor in quality. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:47, 30 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Support subject to quality. We have a start, which is referenced. Article will be expandable as more details become available. Mjroots (talk) 19:23, 30 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Support, although I'm not sure if "at least" is necessary since it's been confirmed that there were 16 on board and no survivors. --Tavix(talk)21:58, 30 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's comments: In case of success (hope not lethal failure) this will look worthy, so nominating in advance for improvement. The live translation is scheduled at 8 p.m. EDT (5 p.m. PDT). Brandmeistertalk09:36, 30 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. Luke Aikins is a redlink currently and I doubt that this event alone will make him notable enough. I also wonder if more than the success or failure of this jump can be appropriately added to the single sentence already in the Free fall article. So I'm rather sceptical that there will be enough to post. Thryduulf (talk) 11:25, 30 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Update, Luke Aikins does now have an article but it is orange tagged for peacock terms and has several {{cn}} templates. It also doesn't have anything more than a sentence about this event so my oppose above still stands. Thryduulf (talk) 14:37, 31 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Article updated Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Sources and death announcements are in Spanish, however translation tools verify statements. There is also an article on Benegas on the Spanish-language wikipedia site. Political lawyer and leader of separatist Basque movements, active until very recently. MurielMary (talk) 11:33, 31 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Weak support, the article could do with expansion but what is there is referenced and there are no glaring omissions, it's just sparse. Thryduulf (talk) 14:23, 31 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Article updated Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Article updated Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Died on July 26, death in the news on July 29. Posting here as per discussion on dating of Chief David Bald Eagle's nomination. BBC TV presenter, presented the Queen's Coronation in 1953 MurielMary (talk) 09:47, 30 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Weak Support a sound article well referenced etc. My one concern though an important and groundbreaking role in UK, on a international scale I cannot see the relevence. Edmund Patrick – confer10:33, 30 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Support. Article is in good shape and fairly comprehensive. International relevance is irrelevant for RD under the new criteria. Thryduulf (talk) 11:20, 30 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Nominator's comments: Mrs Mangel from Neighbours, article needs considerable work but this should be fixable as more sources report her death. Mjroots (talk) 07:41, 29 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Article updated Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Notable Indian author and social-activist. Winner of two civilian awards and top literary award. However, article needs a lot of improvement. Will work on it now, others can also join in. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {Talk / Edits} 10:02, 29 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
[Closed] Hillary Clinton wins the Democratic nomination
Closing good faith nomination by an editor new to ITN per WP:SNOW. It is long established that we do not post political news other than changes in government or administration (e.g. presidents or prime ministers). There is no possibility that this will be posted. (non-admin closure) -Ad Orientem (talk) 14:59, 28 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Hi everyone. I'm sorry for not using the template. I'm new to "in the news" and somewhat new to Wikipedia in general. I would like to suggest that we include Hilary Clinton's nomination as the presidential candidate for the Democratic Party. I believe this is a newsworthy event since she is the first woman to be nominated as a presidential candidate in the USA. If anyone can help me with getting this nomination started, that would be great. Yours truly, Peter. 128.227.82.60 (talk) 14:19, 28 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I've filled out the template for you, but should stress that it is extremely unlikely this is posted because of the non-international nature of this nomination. There are plenty of presidential / prime minister candidates all over the world, and posting this would indicate pro-US bias. We didn't post Trump winning the Republican nomination either. Banedon (talk) 14:27, 28 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for setting up the template for me. I am surprised that this is unlikely to be posted. I did not think that the story being international would be a reason to post or not. A lot of stories I see here relate to only one country. The rules also say we should not oppose based on this being related to only one country. Also I assume we would not post Trump since he is a white male and it would not be surprising for someone like him to be nominated. Yours, Peter. 128.227.82.60 (talk) 14:46, 28 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Snow oppose While it is interesting that she is officially the first female presidential candidate, this remains still internal US politics until election day in November, where the winner will obviously be ITN. We didn't post Trump's candidacy, we shouldn't flip here on that. --MASEM (t) 14:30, 28 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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British Chancellor Philip Hammond reports that the British economy grew in the last quarter immediately before Brexit, though economists warn that the economy is probably shrinking. (The Guardian)
Prime Minister Najib Razak gets emergency powers amid a widening scandal about corruption. (The Guardian)
Science and technology
Scientists have discovered that the region directly above the Great Red Spot on the planet Jupiter is about 700° F (370° C) warmer than the surrounding upper atmosphere. (Space)
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Nominator's comments: Pulitzer prize winner and the first African American recipient of the pulitzer prize in fiction. Andise1 (talk) 05:20, 29 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Support on improvements Presently 2 CNs and one unsourced paragraph at end of Career section. It probably could have more expansion but its sufficient for main page posting once sourcing is figured out. --MASEM (t) 05:30, 29 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Support on sourcing improvements About 1/3rd of the article needs inline cites, particularly on the awards area. --MASEM (t) 05:28, 29 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Article updated Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Support Just finished the major edit to get everything up to speed for a potential ITN RD listing under the new criteria. Miyagawa (talk) 20:13, 28 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Article updated Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Most important Finnish composer after Sibelius. Reasonably written C-class article but *very* short on references. No such user (talk) 20:05, 28 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose It's not a C-class article without more sources, and it won't be linked from the main page without more sources either. Please add references and I'd be happy to support. – Muboshgu (talk) 20:11, 28 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Fair enough. I found out about his death right now (never edited the article). Let's stop pile-on at this moment, I'll see what I can do tomorrow morning (Europe), or somebody from Wikiprojects I'm going to notify. No such user (talk) 20:32, 28 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Actually, I was the one who added them, because it contained apparently accurate text which I couldn't immediately source. I resolved two in the meanwhile and removed an OR-ish sentence to get rid of the last one. Still, I must classify your request as {{shrubbery}}. No such user (talk) 15:09, 29 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Al-Shabaab claim responsibility for a double suicide car bombing attack in Mogadishu near an African Union base at the city's airport. At least 13 people are killed, including seven UN guards. (AP)(Al-Jazeera)
Two men armed with knives take a priest, two nuns and two parishioners hostage in a church near Rouen in the French region of Normandy. French police kill the hostage-takers after the 86-year-old priest, Jacques Hamel, was killed by slitting his throat. (NBC News)(BBC), (Haaretz)
Following the murder of the Catholic priest, French President François Hollande vows to wage war against the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant "by every means". The organization released a video showing the attackers pledging allegiance to ISIL during the attack. (Local)
Two nearby boats, responding to a Coast Guard emergency broadcast, rescue 46 people from the sinking 220-foot Alaska Juris fishing boat in the Bering Sea off Alaska's Aleutian Islands. There are no reports of injuries; all on board were wearing survival suits. (AP)
Landslides from torrential rain that pounded North Korea's North Pyongan Province this weekend kills 10 people and injures 55 with four others missing. (UPI)
At least 19 people are killed and 26 others are injured in a knife attack at a care centre for disabled people in the city of Sagamihara, Kanagawa Prefecture, Japan. A man has handed himself in to the police, according to local media. (BBC)
New York City Police CommissionerBill Bratton announces the arraignment of three suspects in the theft of more than $5 million in cash and valuables, including jewelry and baseball cards, from banks in Brooklyn and Queens, in April and May of this year. (Reuters)
Former president Bill Clinton, husband of Hillary Clinton, describes Hillary as a fighter who works relentlessly to make the world better. (The Sacramento Bee), (Time)(NPR)
Article updated Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Oppose now The new ITN criteria is that the only notability is GNG, ie having an article which isn't up for deletion. This is too short and brief to be featured on the front page. A shame, as this guy seems proper interesting and inspirational '''tAD''' (talk) 17:07, 28 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Support on expansion While the article is short and lacking sources, spot checks on Google suggest a lot more can be fleshed out, but this does need to be done before posting. --MASEM (t) 17:11, 28 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
oppose. I've shuffled the order of the content that is there so it's not all in the lead, but the article is too short and not all of what is there is referenced. Thryduulf (talk) 17:17, 28 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Article is an underreferenced stub. Let me know if necessary improvements are made and I would then change my !vote. – Muboshgu (talk) 17:25, 28 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I just came across this NPR article on the subject, and damn. That's an impressive biography that is not yet reflected in our encyclopedia. With some work, this would be great to post, but it's so far from where it needs to be. – Muboshgu (talk) 19:40, 28 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I'm quite busy today, as usual, but came across this item which seemed to have promise. I've since been out seeing someone else off but, on returning spent a few minutes to develop the page. People who want to help should please pitch in, as many hands make light work. Andrew D. (talk) 20:46, 28 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Could you repeat that in English? Or are you just here to disrupt another ITN nomination? Or did the 50 or 60 other contributors to the RFC get it and you didn't? Seriously, this isn't the place to re-start this conversation. As I suggested on my talkpage, if you're having difficulty in keeping up or understanding Wikipedia policy and guideline, I'm more than happy to help you out. The Rambling Man (talk) 20:20, 28 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Please show me the diff where I supported it. Or else pipe down and stop disrupting yet another candidate. Do this some place else, like your garage. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:00, 28 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Nobody says he doesn't "qualify", but look at that article and tell me with a straight face (not that I can see it) that it belongs on the main page as is. – Muboshgu (talk) 20:01, 28 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
That's the bit I suggested you didn't repeat, because it makes you look foolish. You don't understand the difference between a blurb and RD. Oh dear. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:00, 28 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
No, I leave you to languish in your impotent ignorance. And ask someone else to cap this pointless discourse which isn't relevant, and shows nothing much more than your inability to understand the difference between an RD listing and a blurb. Still, the last word is yours, here you go -----> . The Rambling Man (talk) 21:10, 28 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
This would seem to be a reasonable allowance that if no one picked up on it to be readily known. Google news time range searching gives the first hit on July 26, 2016 (nothing earlier), so I would argue that we should start the nomination clock there (it gives less time for improvement but it looks like something that an hour of work should get this to main page quality). --MASEM (t) 23:33, 28 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I would point out (again) that the first source I can find reporting his death was on the 26th, and not picked up across the board until the 28th. This is one of those extenuating circumstances to go by the data of first reporting. --MASEM (t) 15:19, 29 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Query moving the nomination to the date of the news of the death as opposed to the death itself is setting up a very risky precedent. Obits regularly appear weeks or months after a person has died. Does this now mean we can nominate/post articles of people weeks/months after they died simply because their obit just appeared? I don't think so. Or at least, this needs to be debated as a change to policy rather than just acted upon here without discussion. MurielMary (talk) 03:58, 30 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Example this person died on 26 July and her obit was published on 30 July. So would I nominate her under 26th or under 30th? Sylvia Peters
There is a potential to use the date that the death is first reported as a news story. Not the date that an obituary is published. Stephen05:48, 30 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
This really needs discussing on talk, but the date the death is first reported (confirmed?) in reliable sources is my preference for the nomination date. Thryduulf (talk) 08:40, 30 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Oppose - Compared to several more recent attacks in the world, this is rather small, and given we rejected the recent suicide bombing in Germany, doesn't make sense to support this. It has a tenacious link to ISIS which is what a lot of reports seemed to have jump on, but instead simply looks like domestic violence. --MASEM (t) 23:26, 26 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Except that as far as I'm reading it's not like either had any direct contact with ISIS - one never go out of Western Europe. They might have be sympathizers, but that doesn't make it terrorism, as far as we can tell at this point. ISIS claimed responsibility for the suicide bombing above, too. --MASEM (t) 03:04, 27 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose -ISIS claims responsibility for everything, even this post by me...and the priest was not even notable, noways anyone can commit a crime and claim they did it on ISIS's behest --Stemoc02:17, 27 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I don't normally take part in these discussions, and if I hadn't been pinged I wouldn't even know it was going on. I therefor don't feel qualified to opine on whether or not this meets the specific criteria to appear in the news. However, I do believe that killing a priest, in a church, while he is saying mass, takes a terrorist attack to a whole new level. I think it deserves consideration for that alone. --BrianCUA (talk) 02:29, 27 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose the article on the priest Jacques Hamel needs quite a bit of work, until this event he was not notable in the wider world and although horrific, is as mentioned minor. Edmund Patrick – confer06:15, 27 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Comment the article about the priest is currently nominated for deletion and based on the current state of the discussion I don't expect it to be closed before this news is stale. If this is posted, we cannot link the priest's article in the blurb. Thryduulf (talk) 09:24, 27 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Blurb disputed The original blurb was " A church in Normandy(pictured) is attacked and its priest killed." Stephen changed this to "A priestis killed at a church (pictured) in Normandy, France." I put this alternative suggestion in an appropriate altblurb entry but Stephen is now edit-warring by repeating his change. He claims that original blurb is "patently wrong" but this does not seem clear as we have reputable institutions such as Reuters reporting "Islamists attack French church, slit priest's throat" and most other news organisations talk of a "church attack". Whatever one thinks of the exact wording, it seems better to have the issue out in the open rather than edit-warring behind the scenes. Note that Stephen also nominated the article about the priest for deletion. Andrew D. (talk) 11:26, 27 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Support for ongoing - by national standards it's pretty big, even if few of our readers and editors are from Armenia. Banedon (talk) 00:49, 28 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Comment although I opposed this (and still do), there's a clear consensus to post, and it's been marked ready for nearly 48 hours. Is there a trustworthy admin who can actually make a call on this, rather than just ignoring it, hoping it'll drop off the bottom? The Rambling Man (talk) 21:51, 30 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Discussion no longer pertains to the article itself but the result of the RD RFC. Continue the discussion on the talk page if you all want to keep bickering. Any issues with the article relevant to ITN can be brought up at WP:ERRORS. ~ Cyclonebiskit (chat) 21:26, 27 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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comment the referencing looks good now, however I don't think that a section called "early life and career" should begin with something that happened when the subject was already in their mid 30s. If she did absolutely nothing of interest at all (or if it isn't sourceable) before 1996 then the article should not pretend to cover that period of her life. I can't decide whether this is worth opposing over or not (hence "comment"). Thryduulf (talk) 19:55, 26 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
From scanning some sources, I don't think she did anything particularly noteworthy in her early life (there was so little known about it that it was hard to prove she wasn't Jamaican) so I'll rename the section. – Muboshgu (talk) 20:00, 26 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Please tell me you are not oblivious to the RD criteria being updated. Or are you deliberately positing a false equivalence? Like "Earth's icecaps are melting, but Mars has a mean temperature of 210 Kelvin"?--WaltCip (talk) 17:06, 27 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Since you're here mainly to try to tell bad jokes, I'm not sure how much gravitas your concerns actually have. Please see the RFC which ran for weeks, and the trial which had precisely ZERO complaints from our readership. But I'm beginning to understand that certain users are not here for the readers, they're here for themselves. The Rambling Man (talk) 19:44, 27 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
The only bad joke here is promoting a charlatan, while suppressing a report of a terrorist attack. ZERO complaints? Maybe they didn't know about it. I certainly didn't. All I knew about was a "trial", which had ended. ←Baseball BugsWhat's up, Doc?carrots→ 20:43, 27 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Your mistake then. And no-one suppressed anything, unless you consider a near-unanimous consensus against posting it to be suppression. Good luck with that. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:21, 27 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Question Am I understanding this right? Anyone with a Wikipedia Article that is in decent shape gets automatic RD when they die? Someone please tell me that I am misreading this. -Ad Orientem (talk) 18:17, 27 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
The new RD guidelines were a dumb idea. If this was subject to proper review it'd never have been passed. Now we get shit like this cluttering the main page. 128.227.15.223 (talk) 18:37, 27 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I will wait for a month or so and then propose to return to the old ones. Wait in order for more people to decide whether they like that or not. --Tone18:40, 27 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
What a joke. The trial ran for a month. Then discussion over the wording took a week or so, then the RFC took about five or six weeks. To suddenly crawl out the woodwork now and start complaining is taking the piss. In fact, launching another RfC to change it back in a month's time is nothing more than disruptive. The trial lasted a month, that was the whole point of the trial. You all had plenty of time to make your feelings known, plenty of time, so now it's time to get over it and work with the program. Attempting to compare an RD with a blurb which had nearly zero consensus to post is strawman, in fact it smacks of IDONTLIKEIT big time, please don't conflate the two issues in such a lame way. If anyone doesn't believe that this individual is worthy of an article, WP:AFD is the correct process to use. The Rambling Man (talk) 19:31, 27 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
The "trial", I knew about. When and where was it decided to make the "trial" permanent? It appears I'm not the only one that didn't know about it. That's your fault - and probably what you had in mind all along. ←Baseball BugsWhat's up, Doc?carrots→ 20:45, 27 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
The RFC to make the RD thing permanent (presently linked at the bottom of the nomination header) had at least 30 different editors involved, as it was linked at the WT:ITN page (see [11]). Clearly people found it and commented; this is not a Hitchiker's Guide situation where the RFC was in an obscure location. --MASEM (t) 21:15, 27 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
That explains why I didn't see it. Since I don't like getting smacked around by the BUCTs who control this page, I avoid its talk page. I can't account for the other editors who didn't see it, though. You all failed to advertise it sufficiently. ←Baseball BugsWhat's up, Doc?carrots→ 21:18, 27 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
No, the RFC ran for about five or six weeks. If you don't keep up with things, or fail to notice things, or can't read notices, unlike the fifty or sixty people who contributed to it, that's your fault. I'm not sure why you harbour this passive-aggressive grudge that I'm somehow trying to do things subversively. If you ever bother to find the RFC in question, you'll note that I didn't initiate it. You'll also actually note that I was one of few who advocated that it stayed running for longer to ensure that "complaints" like your own were rendered utterly impotent. Job done. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:21, 27 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Does it have to say 16 months? That makes it sound much slower than it is. It was supposed to take 5 months (~4 months of waiting for weather) but repairing a stupid flaw made it wait for spring because it can't fly all night in winter. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 04:22, 26 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Nice info but I'm sure some misled person(s) are going to think "16 months! God, warmists suck!" and never read the article. If they clicked the link the first time they'd see is 25 days (plan A). Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 15:21, 26 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Support This is a first and so seems a reasonably novel achievement. As we have other contenders for circumnavigation news (see the balloon item below), note that there's a good explanation of the technical requirements at What is a World Circumnavigation?. Andrew D. (talk) 07:58, 26 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
By the way, and I'm sure you already know this because you actually read the article you linked, it is at least nine years old and may very well not reflect current thinking. It's also steeped in POV in an attempt to nay-say the attempts of another explorer. Certainly not the kind of source I'd expect to see used in Wikipedia. But I guess that's the problem with blindly following Google search results without applying any kind of quality control before posting. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:00, 26 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
A suicide car bomb kills at least 21 people and wounds more than 32 at the entrance to Al Khalis, northeast of Baghdad. Most died inside their vehicles while waiting to enter the town. (Al Jazeera)
At least two people are killed after as many as 17 people are injured during a mass shooting at Club Blu, a nightclub in Fort Myers, Florida, with most of the victims reportedly minors. Two suspects and a person of interest have been detained in connection with the shooting. (BBC), (News-Press)
Turkey orders the detention of 42 journalists including well-known writer Nazli Ilicak. Earlier, Turkish satirical magazine LeMan [tr] was prevented from publishing its post-coup edition—a cartoon on the cover showed Turkish soldiers facing off against anti-coup protesters, both pushed toward each other by giant hands. (Reuters)(CNN)
Amnesty International reports detainees in Turkey are being subjected to beatings and torture, including rape, in official and unofficial detention centres in the country. (NPR)(AI)
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The story about the coup in Turkey is about to fall off the bottom of ITN, while there are still important developments. ("Retired U.S. General Dismisses Allegations He Masterminded Turkey Coup," WSJ, July 25, 2016 [13]) Propose adding 2016 Turkish purges to "Ongoing" to keep it visible. -- Fuzheado | Talk02:55, 26 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Nominator's comments: A heavily controversial figure, one who I personally disliked, but I think the article is good enough to be posted. EternalNomad (talk) 23:57, 25 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Support Despicable person (but we don't discriminate here, we posted Fred Phelps when he died), but what matters for our purposes is that the article quality seems minimally sufficient for the front page. Improvements can be made overall, but there's nothing wrong with it as it is. – Muboshgu (talk) 00:26, 26 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Support including him. A great guy who worshipped a great, good, loving, perfect and just God, and more importantly, for Wikipedia, someone who clearly was notable, with obituaries of him in major newspapers. Clearly controversial, clearly notable for inclusion. --1990'sguy (talk) 13:28, 26 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
The recent deaths criteria changed earlier this month following an RfC. Now everybody who has a Wikipedia article is notable for an RD entry, subject to their article being of sufficient quality. In this case the consensus is that there are not enough references in the article for it be regarded as being of sufficient quality. Thryduulf (talk) 14:50, 26 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
So just to get this straight, the only ways to get an article listed here is for the article to have a high quality. I can sort of understand that, but love him or hate him, I think it would be accurate to say that he is just as notable, possibly even more notable, as the people already listed there. It would be unusual, to say the least, to include certain people there which omitting others who are just as or even more notable. --1990'sguy (talk) 16:05, 26 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Notability is a yes/no thing, there are no gradations. Some are more well known than others, but notable is notable. This article will be posted if there's consensus that the quality of the article is sufficient, as that consensus was reached for the articles presently posted. – Muboshgu (talk) 16:15, 26 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose an awful person to give main page space to, but if we posted Fred Phelps, we have to post this on notability grounds. That said, this badly needs updating in terms of quality.--WaltCip (talk) 16:32, 26 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
If Wikipedia had been up and running in 1945, we absolutely would've posted Hitler, assuming his article was up to a sufficient quality. (Sorry for going full Godwin.) – Muboshgu (talk) 17:44, 26 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
It's of sufficient quality. I think this "high quality" thing is being taken too far. Why not just say that have to be a GA or FA then? BTW, the RFC said "of sufficent quality", not high quality. Niteshift36 (talk) 18:15, 26 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Weak support on current state of text. There are a few unreferenced bits, but nothing that couldn't just be excised if references can't be found. Otherwise, it's in decent if not perfect shape. Either reference or excise the few paragraphs that are unreferenced, and this would be main page worthy. --Jayron3217:59, 26 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose on state of sourcing. The vast majority of the sourcing is either primary, from sources that are associated with the subject, sympathetic to the subject, or opposed to him (i.e. the SPLC). There are very few mainstream independent news sources. A number of sections are either unsourced or cited from sources that would not be reliable wrt the subject on their own (and there are a few dead links too). Blogs, opinion pieces and even IMDB appear at various places. Black Kite (talk)20:59, 26 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. It has already been two days. Are we going to post this or at least make a decision on whether or not to post this soon? Just curious. --1990'sguy (talk) 16:36, 27 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Wait - the story is still developing (The New York Times is reporting 'at least 15 deaths', not 19) and the story is still something of a 'stub'. But I am leaning towards support after a "wait" period based on the nominator's comments & reasoning (ie., this is unusual and notable under the circumstances, in Japan, etc.). – Christian Roess (talk) 22:46, 25 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Support: worldwide coverage of this story and the number of deaths/injuries. It is interesting to note, however, that knife stabbings seem to be the "usual" method of mass killings in Japan (1999, 2001, 2008), whereas the more "usual" method in the U.S. and Western nations is guns. Latchem (talk) 00:31, 26 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
NeutralOppose - We have to ask ourselves what is the public interest value in this story on the front page? A disturbed and disgruntled individual goes on a rampage. If it has no greater significance beyond the personal tragedy for the victims, I'm not sure how we can in good conscience highlight the story. -- Fuzheado | Talk00:55, 26 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I'm interested, as well as many of the voters are, in the fact that this is the "biggest attack in Japan since WWII." When is the last time we posted any sort of attack in a low-crime country like Japan, compared to frequent attacks in the United States, on ITN? I see the Akihabara massacre was posted in ITN on 9 June 2008, and even though it was tragic, the casualty count for that attack was lower than the Sagamihara knife attacks. —SomeoneNamedDerek (talk) 03:18, 26 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral. Normally this should go up since it is a high causality incident in a very stable country. However this seems nothing more than a random attack without any obvious repercussions. Nergaal (talk) 01:23, 26 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Wait attack is obviously notable enough, but the article could easily be editted down to 1/3 of its current size; i.e., most of it is redundant. Can't we get an editor who reads Japanese to add better explanations of why the perpetrator was dismissed, what his motives were (lunacy or an expresed philosophy) and why the response took so long, and the prognosis of the remaining critical victims. If we just want to go ahead with "19!", then fine, but I think Aum Shinrikyo is a much more important story than incompetent defence force allows lunatic to pick off easy victims. μηδείς (talk) 04:47, 26 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Nominator's comments: Among the greatest Turkish historians, one of the most respected scholars in Turkey. Highly influential in the historiography of the Ottoman Empire. GGT (talk) 21:24, 25 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Supportbut only after some minor clean-up duties are accomplished (ie., does the style sheet approve of a citation placed immediately after the birth date & year in the lead section?). The article also needs citations added fo corroborate various unsubstantiated claims (ie., that his PhD thesis "constituted one of the first socioeconomic approaches in Turkish historiography.") Also, since some of the sources are in a Turkish language/dialect (unfamiliar to me -and many of our readers-), I'm not sure if those particular citations "backup" the information presented in the article (ie., perhaps we should find some additional 'English' media resources before posting to RD?). Otherwise this a short but pretty good article about an important intellectual who seems to have gained a certain canonical status in Turkey. – Christian Roess (talk) 22:28, 25 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Posted. Double-checked the reference mentioned above and although the source is in Turkish, I could still tell that it had all of the info mentioned in that paragraph. SpencerT♦C07:42, 26 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Weak support From a standpoint of the industry this is a major acquisition and certainly will have some shakeup, but the value is (relatively speaking) dirt cheap, considering that MS bought LinkedIn a bit ago for $26B. --MASEM (t) 14:09, 25 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Additional fact I learned: this is about a year after Verizon bought out AOL for about $4.4B, which we did post [14]. So to not post this while we posted that deal (barring article quality) would be very inconsistent. --MASEM (t) 01:55, 26 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Support - Need to go beyond the $ amount of the deal, as Yahoo is one of the top five most popular web sites. The story here is that for such a large and influential site, it cannot get more than $5 billion dollars among $10 billion to $100 billion companies. In short, the relatively small dollar amount is news in itself. -- Fuzheado | Talk14:44, 25 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Support per Fuzheado. However the blurb is incorrect: Yahoo isn't being bought in its entirety, only a part of it is ("core internet operations and land holdings", as in the source); in fact the part of Yahoo that's not being bought is bigger than the part that is. Adding Altblurb 2 for that. Banedon (talk) 15:00, 25 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Support posting and emphasizing the ludicrously small value Yahoo has at this point after they brought Marissa Mayers 4 years ago and gave her more than $270M to save the ship. The remaining stuff is strictly pertaining to Asia. Nergaal (talk) 15:54, 25 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Support altblurb2. Yahoo is one the the giants of the Internet, in terms of page views, ranking higher than Amazon, Twitter, and even our beloved Wikipedia. Both target articles are in good shape. --Tocino16:01, 25 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Support - I was going to nominate this myself but forgot. This is a major deal between two major companies and as mentioned above Yahoo is one of the top companies on the internet. Andise1 (talk) 17:22, 25 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Comment sorry, but "announces its intention"? Really? Like Manchester United have "announced their intention" to buy Paul Pogba? This sounds seriously like we need to wait. The Rambling Man (talk) 18:30, 25 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Almost every corporate finance transaction (merger, acquisition etc.) occurs several months after the announcement of an agreement to enter into a transaction. This is no different to many other transactions covered by ITN in recent months, such as Microsoft's intention to buy LinkedIn. Stockst (talk) 21:14, 25 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Latchem if you read the PR, it clearly states "The deal is subject to customary closing conditions, approval by Yahoo’s shareholders, and regulatory approvals, and is expected to close in Q1 of 2017." The deal has not occurred. Having said that, it is customary for ITN to post these types of acquisitions when they announced, and not when they occur. Stockst (talk) 21:00, 25 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
*Comment Of the three blurbs posted above, one has already been crossed out. However the original blurb "The American broadband telecommunications company Verizon announced its intent to acquire the American multinational technology company Yahoo for 4.8 billion USD." is also incorrect because it is only some of Yahoo's assets that Verizon plans to acquire. Of the three blurbs proposed, the only accurate one is altblurb2.
Comment/edit - Altblurb2 changed to "deal" rather than "its intention" to buy Yahoo. Feelings mixed about Yahoo! vs Yahoo, as most every news headline has omitted the exclamation point. -- Fuzheado | Talk21:29, 25 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I suspect the vast majority of our readers would be more interested in the fact that this deal includes Flickr and Tumblr, which probably accounts for the majority of the value; Yahoo's web presence is effectively worthless. Black Kite (talk)21:32, 25 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Support alt 2 Even if you consider a laughing stock, Yahoo is still one of the three major U.S. web searches along with Google and Bing. Plus, as Black Kite pointed out, the deal also includes sites such as Flickr and Tumblr. Furthermore, as others have said, we posted Microsoft acquiring LinkedIn, which isn't as significant by itself as Yahoo, Flickr, Tumblr, etc. combined. - Presidentmantalk · contribs (Talkback) 21:57, 25 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Support alt 2. While the monetary value is not particularly high, Yahoo! is a historically significant company and a household name, so this is very significant. -- King of♥♦♣ ♠ 01:41, 26 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Opppose Verizon has wanted Yahoo as an email portal since Verizon was incorporated. Back when we had free Yahoo with Verizon DSL and Yahoo frisbees at Verizon sales meetings, it was a joke. That was well over a decade ago that people just didn't care about a company that had blossomed and died in the 90's. Before Verizon's failed "synergy" with DishTV. BTW, how many hotmail, netscape, and cs users are still around? μηδείς (talk) 04:56, 26 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I don't understand your oppose rationale. Are you saying the deal is not likely to go through (first part) and that even if it does, no one cares (second part)? Banedon (talk) 05:30, 26 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - I understand the support rationales, I understand that Tumblr and Flickr fall under the umbrella of Yahoo, I even understand Yahoo's history in the formation of the Internet as we know it. But I just don't feel like this story works for ITN.--WaltCip (talk) 13:42, 26 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I believe it is not possible to add a 3rd altblurb. I deleted the old inaccurate altblurb (which incorrectly suggested Verizon was acquiring all of Yahoo!) and wrote an alternative blurb, which describes what Verizon and Yahoo! are. Although many people outside the US may have heard of Yahoo!, Verizon is not a well-known company outside that country. I also added strikeout format to the original blurb, which incorrectly suggests that Verizon is acquiring all of Yahoo! Stockst (talk) 16:26, 26 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Currently I see consensus against posting this because it's a big business deal, and no consensus either way about whether it should be posted based on being a deal between two big name companies. I'm not going to close the discussion though as consensus may still arise. Thryduulf (talk) 10:33, 28 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
It means that some people think this is important, and others don't. That we have summarily rejected such paltry business deals on spec prior to this needs to be weighed up with the affection and nostalgia associated with elements of Yahoo being purchased for pin money. This is so far out of the news already, it's a joke. The Rambling Man (talk) 18:42, 28 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Oppose Shooting in the US is now a cliché..no longer news worthy..unless someone important gets killed and he gets and RD or a blurb...--Stemoc10:42, 25 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Comment The only death that I see being reported presently is the bomber themselves, with 12 others injured (3 critical condition). Blurb updated. --MASEM (t) 01:08, 25 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Weak oppose SupportNo major injuries and seems to be relatively minor compared to the Munich attack and the current suicide bombing featured in ITN. —SomeoneNamedDerek (talk) 02:31, 25 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Although there weren't many major injuries (four were serious injuries), it seems that this being the first suicide bombing in recent German history seems to be quite notable. The last suicide bombing was in 1980 in Munich, Germany, according to Terrorism in Germany. Sources don't specify when the last suicide bombing was other than saying "in recent memory" or "in years". —SomeoneNamedDerek (talk) 20:27, 25 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Support - the attack headlines on many newspapers and it is being called the fourth violent attack in Germany in a week by various WP:RS, including Reuters. Also, one should point out that measuring an article's newsworthiness strictly by body count is fairly grisly and one is appalled by this sort of criteria. Instead, it should be noted that the string of attacks is likely to have deep repercussions in Germany, and consequently in EU policy.XavierItzm (talk)
Weak oppose Given the multitude of terrorist attacks around the world there should be some editorial judgement. In that sense, this is run-of-the-mill fortunately, as no one died. Brandmeistertalk08:26, 25 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Fortunately, nothing too serious happened. I feel like media attention is already coming back to Munich again even here in Germany. It's dark times... Zwerg Nase (talk) 09:06, 25 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Very weak oppose - not because of the low bodycount but because this does not seem to be terrorism or connected at all to any of the other recent violent events in Germany, rather just one desperate individual. If this had been the gas explosion it was first thought to be it wouldn't even be nominated here. If I'm wrong about this, or there are wider implications than there appear to be at present, then I'll likely change my mind. Thryduulf (talk) 09:09, 25 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - Perhaps we could put all these terror attacks into one blurb? For example, "Three terrorist attacks strike Germany, [item 1], [item 2], [item 3]." Or "At least ___ people die in three attacks in [place 1], [place 2], [place 3], Germany." Banedon (talk) 09:39, 25 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Weak support because although in the context of things, one failed suicide bomber isn't particlarly newsworthy, a disgruntled asylum seeker gearing up for and conducting a terror attack is news, particularly as Germany has agreed to process so many of these individuals, this is probably the tip of a nasty-looking iceberg. The Rambling Man (talk) 09:43, 25 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Weak oppose this, strong oppose any merged blurb. The recent attacks in Germany seem to have little to do with one another beyond happening to take place in the same country. Smurrayinchester11:04, 25 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
oppose Saidly not newsworthy enough for an internationally-geared news-selection. However cynical it may sound, but the absence of multiple deaths and what has been seen in the region is the reason for that, and the asylum-seeker circumstance doesn't make that different. L.tak (talk) 14:51, 25 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. If this leads to a change in German or European policy, then that would be worthy of inclusion. Even then, this would hardly be the only incident that would have contributed to the rough atmosphere these days. MikeLynch (talk) 20:36, 25 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
That's not quite a fair comparison. European and particularly German (public) attitudes towards the handling of refugees (the main point of contention) have been evolving rapidly in a short span of time, and a change in policy would be a surer sign of changing attitudes.
Besides, that was not my only point. Certainly, if the attack was more serious (in its intensity and the amount of victims, an unfortunate statistic), this would probably have merited to go up IMO. MikeLynch (talk) 21:06, 25 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
It's a perfectly fair comparison. American gun laws will not change for the foreseeable future so your argument that a change of policy is required to post such items means we shouldn't post any more mass shootings in the US. The fact that the attitudes in Germany have been changing means this is more newsworthy, not less. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:16, 25 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
My contention is that the change in attitude (a political demonstration of it) is worthy of posting. If this incident led to that, then surely it would be worth posting in association with such a change. As a single incident I wouldn't think it so because it looks minor in itself. And I don't mean "change in policy is required" as a general principle; just that I would wait to see if there were further repercussions of this particular incident, failing which it seems not siginificant enough for ITN. MikeLynch (talk) 21:23, 25 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
We don't post "changes in attitude" at ITN, we post verifiable news stories. This is a watershed moment, Germany has gone to massive lengths to accept inordinate numbers of refugees and migrants, and yet this is the first ISIL suicide attack in that country. It's been headline news all day on the BBC international site, more than eclipsing the daily mass shooting in the US (today, Florida), and has been generally accepted as highly significant in the current climate. I won't expect you to change your vote, but you should understand that your position is peculiar, demanding a change in policy for this to be posted. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:34, 25 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I'm actually in support of this. we've had a defacto policy against posting these stories in the US with people lining up to label it "run of the mill gun murder in America", so yeah, until Europe implements some gun, bomb, machete, truck and immigrant control, this is just run of the mill European terrorism. --107.77.232.40 (talk) 23:12, 25 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I added an alt blurb that describes the attack as the first of its kind if recent German history. This statement, however, is disputed. Please discuss the statement here. —SomeoneNamedDerek (talk) 20:57, 25 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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At least 21 are killed and more than 35 people injured in a suicide attack at one of the residential entrances to district Kadhimiyah, in northern Baghdad, Iraq. ISIL claims responsibility, as published in its official media. (CNN) (Iraqi News)
The leader of the Australian delegation says the country's athletes would not be checking in at the athletes' village because it's unsafe for human habitation. Australian athletes have been staying at nearby Rio de Janeiro hotels. (The New York Times)
Nepal's Prime MinisterKhadga Prasad Oli resigns minutes before parliament was to vote on a no confidence motion he was likely to lose, after allies of his multi-party coalition leave the government accusing him of not honoring power sharing deals that helped him assume office in October 2015. (The Hindu)(Reuters)
The International Olympic Committee states it considers all Russian athletes tainted by the country’s state-run doping scheme but individual athletes can compete in 2016 Games if they are able to convince individual sports federations of their innocence. A daunting task for these organizations to handle hundreds of appeals just 12 days before the start of the Rio Games on 5 August. (The New York Times)(AP & NBC News)(rt.com)
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(edit conflict) Not in my opinion. If the article is not of GA or higher quality (iirc this article is assessed as "start" class) then I really think that the requirement for a consensus that there are no problems with the article quality needs to be taken more seriously. Nom+1 after less than an hour is not a consensus. @The Rambling Man: Please remember that the the criteria for RD explicitly says that the quality is judged based on a consensus, not just on the posting admin's opinion. Thryduulf (talk) 18:38, 25 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Well I judged article quality and that was sufficient for me. Article classifications e.g. "Start" are bullshit and worthless unless it's GA, FA or FL so I'm afraid that cuts no mustard with me at all. We had three supports in total, as by posting I supported its inclusion. If that's a problem, I'll stop doing ITN right now. The Rambling Man (talk) 19:04, 25 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
If you think that one support + nom + admin supervote in 24 minutes = consensus, then perhaps it would be better to stop doing ITN. What I'm saying is that there was not a consensus when it was posted. The fact that the article is in good enough condition to be posted (and is probably C class) is neither here nor there. Mjroots (talk) 19:12, 25 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I saw the ping last night. FYI, I will not be told to make an administrative edit (i.e. one that requires admin privileges to do). If I make an administrative edit, I will do so of my own free will. Mjroots (talk) 05:17, 26 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Nominator's comments: Basically hits not two but three birds with one stone: DNC email leak, DNC chairwoman resigning, 2016 DNC in Philadelphia ongoing; all newsworthy by itself. bender235 (talk) 00:21, 25 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Internal American politics (even considering Wasserman's resignation), while likely will be discussion all this week, is not yet significant at the larger scale. --MASEM (t) 00:26, 25 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Weak oppose: Fairly specific to internal American politics at this point. Increased scrutiny of Russian involvement could change my mind, but for now, doesn't seem to rise to the level on ITN. -Kudzu1 (talk) 05:26, 25 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Article updated The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.
Oppose with regret. Looking at last year's article, we had a great "race overview" section which covered, in prose, the race. I'm not seeing that here, so despite British cyclists being indisputably the best in the known universe, I can't currently support. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:08, 24 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Yea got to agree with you it it's not complete enough. I'd planned to get it all sorted like last year, but unfortunately didn't have the time. There's always next year! BaldBoris23:24, 24 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Unless there is a flurry of major news stories you will likely have 4-5 days although the oldest blurb on the template currently is 8 days old. Thryduulf (talk) 00:03, 25 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Keep in mind you only need now two or so good paras (likely broken at the same place the two legs pages are broken apart at), and you can readily borrow from those pages to fill in the major points. It should be easily doable as it looks like its all there, just a matter of summarizing what's there. --MASEM (t) 00:28, 25 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Support obviously - We had it last year. This is the premier professional bicycle race in the world. Featuring the article on the front page may be the exact thing to find that cycling enthusiast to help improve it. "In the news" should not need this high a quality bar. -- Fuzheado | Talk10:00, 25 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
It's on WP:ITN/R so there is already consensus that it is significant and should be posted when there is a sufficient update. The consensus for sporting events is, and has been for as long as I've been contributing to ITN/C, that a prose summary of the event is a minimum requirement before posting. This relates to the function of ITN to showcase encyclopaedia articles related to current events, rather than just tables of facts that people can find on any sports ticket (which we are not). Thryduulf (talk) 10:25, 25 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Support We have enough detail to be posting the item and should strike while the iron is hot. Myself, I'd like to see details of the bicycles used – Froome used a Pinarello Dogma again – but there's no mention of this in either this year's or last year's report. But such additions are nice-to-have and not a reason to hold up posting. Andrew D. (talk) 11:24, 25 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I do not believe we will add anything along those lines though... It would be hard to include information that is actually informative and not drift into WP:PROMO. Zwerg Nase (talk) 11:32, 25 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Currently the page tells us that Froome was part of Team Sky. Sky is a commercial sponsor who does this to give their name publicity and we seem happy to oblige. Putting in details of the bicycles being ridden seems more relevant. Zwerg Nase also works on pages about F1 such as 2016 British Grand Prix. These are likewise full of reference to Mercedes, Ferrari, Renault and other car marques which also participate as a form of advertising. Andrew D. (talk) 11:39, 25 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Oppose. One dead body, while unfortunate, is hardly grounds to post something to ITN; otherwise we would be a dead body ticker. 331dot (talk) 09:58, 24 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - sadly, these fires are a fairly regular occurrence and unless there is a larger impact, it doesn't rise to being front page, global, material. Thanks. -- Fuzheado | Talk11:58, 25 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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We are definitely not going off the Daily Mail as the only source. If this actually happens, yes, it's big news, but all indicators suggest it's limited to track and field. --MASEM (t) 03:37, 24 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
At the moment, there's nothing about it on ESPN.com or CNN.com or BBC (international) .com. If the story were true, it would be a huge headline. Certainly it's being talked about behind the scenes, but there's no indication of a decision yet. ←Baseball BugsWhat's up, Doc?carrots→ 06:33, 24 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Post-closing FYI spec: It turns out the rules set for Athletics will be applied (maybe even in more stringent form) to all athletes. That will probably mean the Russian team will be very, very small (only 1 in athletics...). Sources here and here, and an update at here. L.tak (talk) 16:03, 24 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
BBC article explains it well in "plainspeak" - Each sport's oversight committee (20-some in all) will have 12 days now to review each Russian athlete that has applied to participate at Rio 2016 to make a determination if they should be allowed or not; only the track & field team is already outright banned. In twelve days, this might be a worthwhile ITN story if the #s are > 50% or so of Russia's planned team. --MASEM (t) 18:19, 24 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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