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List of famous Ezhavas

193.130.175.134 has removed the name of SK Pottekad from the list. Do you know if he is Ezhava ? I thought he was, but not sure. Tintin 10:19, 5 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

It was only yesterday that I noted this question posted here, but could not immediately put it in context to early discussion. I regret the oversight. Yes Pottekad is. However, my view is that these community-based lists are not fit for an encyclopedia like Wiki. The information is not imparting anything valuable to a global user group of the encyclopedia. Who really cares if ONV or MT are Nairs, or Pottekad or OV Vijayan were Ezhavas, they have all grown intellectually and culturally above all these low barriers and their heads tower high above a different cloud altogether. These lists, if at all, should be at the respective community's web sites. Also these lists become quite subjective, as a petty starlet who showed her face in a TV serial will get listed, but names of many unsung and forgotten heros and notables that worked for the uplift of the community itself get edited out, because of lack of historical knowledge among Wiki users. Without some criteria, for listing, these lists can also become endless; for if you simply put the four largest communities in Kerala together, then that's all about having a who's who for all Malayalees! Also most occassional and anonymous Wiki users are only interested in adding names to these lists, but not building properly researched articles on the back of those names. Nowadays I have taken some of these articles off my watchlist, as I have noted that they are only points of contention, rather than anything worthwhile spending time on. Aaroamal 06:26, 30 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Ezhava

Thank you for taking an interest in this article. I did a little bit here and there (mainly removing POV and weasel words) but could use help! --Vivin Paliath (വിവി൯ പാലിയത്) 14:00, 29 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Over the next few weeks, based on time availability, I will do my best to create a fair and factual NPOV article. As I am only an occasional Wiki contributor, you guys who are more regular Wiki contributors should help with timely reversing of vandalism. Cheers! Aaroamal 14:17, 29 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

You seem to have more of a factual knowledge on the subject. I try and check up on the article as frequently as I can and I will definitely keep an eye out for reverts and vandalisms. --Vivin Paliath (വിവി൯ പാലിയത്) 20:14, 31 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

User vivin claims that ezhavas as dalits. he has vandalised many content from ezhava article. please help in discussion —Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.162.138.193 (talk) 13:36, 21 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Restored Edits

I have restored some of ur edits and removed the content/item which leads erroneous Link. lets not keep big list famous people out here since its make a article very big and tedious to maintain. and please do review this. Also please help to improve Narayana Guru article. thanks. Daya Anjali (talk / contribs) 08:54, 27 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Narayana_Guru

Dear aroamal, Its sure the Statue of Sree narayana guru in thalassery is not of marble. I assume that marble statue has been made after the samadhi of guru Daya anjali 04:33, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

This is is the details i found in sivagiri site. link[1]

It is worth remembering that Gurudev's first statue was put up at Thalassery when he was alive.The architect of that bronze statue was the Italian artist Thavarly. The statue was installed at the initiative of Gurudev's grahastha disciples such as Moorkothu Kumaran

It all falls in place and makes sense now. So the error is that it is marble (as mentioned in Gurupadom souvenir by Kerala Kaumudi). In fact it surprised me that the picture itself was showing a bronze statue while is said marble. Thanks for the clarification.

On other recent edits in the article, my suggestion is to keep the article strictly biographical. Sections such as the Sivagiri Pilgrimage and SNDP are topics that warrant separate articles. I think there is already one on SNDP. Of course this biographical article itself need a lot of other clean up, which I will do as time permits. For instance, that section of "Tolerance of atheism etc." has lot of garbage that needs to the sheared and some moved to the article on Sahodaran Ayyapan where it is directly relevant Aaroamal 03:51, 19 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

i think mesage to SNDP yogam from guru is to clarify his stand who is an ezhava. I think its shud b there as its not abt SNDP yogam but its objective as per gurus dharma.

Regarding Sivagiri Pilgrimage , guru is setting objectives for the Pilgrimage .

Hi aroaml, I will refine the contents that i have added in the article which i have taken from one of the biographies of guru which is the source of many other books and websites i think. I have taken so much pain to add this content. i will definetly come back in couple of days and do it. thanks u regards Daya anjali 10:29, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

Regarding Ezhava siva, i have 2 biographies with me

1)By Prof Surendran of SN college, punaloor published 1983 which clearly says he has said ezhava siva. (Harisee books) 2) Philosophy of Narayana Guru by Swami Muni Narayana Prasad . It talks about this and explains what he meant by that. In simple sense it is that: siva doesnt belong to Brahmins , the lord or god doest belong to any cast , but to all human beings

I am going to buy "The Word of the Guru (The Life and Teachings of Guru Narayana)" by Nataraja Guru . I have asked my father to buy the book by kaumudi. i think he has ordered it. I will confirm abt this after reading these books

Daya anjali 05:50, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

Hi Dayanjali,

This "Ezhava Siva" is a rhetoric that later biographers (after the 1960s) started putting across as words said by Narayana Guru. I have read at least 10 biographies of the Guru and none of authors before the said date claimed it was the Guru's words. Think for yourself, if you are a person who really understands the Guru's philosophy, would the Guru ever say those words when many of his disciples in 1888 were themselves non-Ezhavas. If you have a copy of the SNDP Golden Jubilee Souvenir (edited by R. Shankar) published in 1953, see the article written by Justice A.S.P. Ayyar, I.C.S.,which clearly says as follows "To a Brahmin Matadhipati who objected that Thiyas could not act as priests to Siva, one of his disciples gave the famous reply - It is not the Brahmin Siva we are worshipping, but the Thiya Siva! -'. Kumaran Asan, Mookoth Kumaran and Nataraja Guru have not said that the Guru ever said these words. Most biographers in the recent years are authors who have built biographies from other biographies, plus added some salt and rhetoric to make their books look more entertaining to the reader. I am aware that most people who talk about this quote in recent years are not doing sufficient research in the first place to confirm whether Narayana Guru ever said these words, they are just trying to explain or justify it without hindsight. You should also remember that some of the biographies of the Guru are actually novels (fiction) based on the Guru's life. So the dialouges are sourced from the imagination of the novelist. In fact one of the English biographers made this error in late 1980s and I had pointed it out to him, but it was too late as the book and already come out. His son is also now misquoting the Guru using the father's erroneous words. There will be no end to this non-sense unless people with a research mind and rational thinking expose this faux pas and nail it for good, as it has already gotten deep into the rumour monger's domain. Aaroamal 08:31, 4 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

In this article u have more details abt Gurudevan's first statue at Thalassery

http://www.narayanaguru.org/Main.asp?xx=Articles.html Daya anjali 06:27, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

In fact all details of the statue at Thalassery is in Komathukattil Bhaskaran's book. It was just the picture of the statue in Gurupadom that created the confusion. I have fixed that section a few weeks back.Aaroamal 04:36, 21 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Ok. i have got some info abt aruvippuram prathishta... please read here... When a Nambudiri, kerala Brahmin, expressed his anger and concern about such an act of sacrilege, the Guru simply remarked. “I did not install any ‘Nambudiri shiva’. God is neither a priest, nor a peasant, He is in all…….. He is all…..”

thanks Daya Anjali (talk / contribs) 08:22, 23 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Please could you tell me the source of the above quote? Which book/author?Aaroamal 06:50, 24 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

i saw same in one of the guru websites. i will comeback with detials. u cud c some new books available there with vidyarambham publications

http://www.vidyarambham.net/general02.htm Daya Anjali (talk / contribs) 11:11, 2 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I have ordered 2 books from vidyarambham publications.They have sent to My home addr in Kerala by VPP. My father has the copy of KK Sree narayana DIR. Also today i have ordered The Word Of The Guru � The Life And Teachings Of Guru Narayana , Nataraja Guru (ISBN: 8124602417)online from A1 Books. i am expecting the book within 3 days. i will add comment after that.Daya Anjali (talk / contribs) 08:48, 16 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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Great job with the Manilal article. Can you add more details and links regarding section "Book-release functions conducted by the publishers". Currently this looks like ad-hominem attack without provided links. Hence, this section does not satisfy the neutral point of view rules (WP:NPOV) and verifiability rules (WP:V) in wikipedia. Please take a look at the rules and edit appropriately —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.27.116.98 (talk) 03:52, 17 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

See my response to your edits/dispute in the Discussion page Talk:K._S._Manilal Aaroamal (talk) 16:50, 17 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

See my reponse to your response in the Discussion page Talk:K._S._Manilal. I have found references for one of the statements in the disputed section. Please provide appropriate references for other claims in this section to make the article compliant to Wikipedia policies WP:NPOV and WP:V. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.27.116.98 (talk) 09:56, 19 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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Proposed deletion of Mohan Sivanand

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