On behalf of Wikimedia Taiwan, we would like to say that this is long overdue. For more than half a decade, good faith volunteers from Hong Kong, the Chinese mainland, and Taiwan have raised concerns about dangerous members of that organization, including in the Signpost(1) (repeatedly(2)). It is not the kind of threat that communities or even larger ones, like our wiki, can deal with entirely on their own. We have been having very exhausting years.
Now there is some hope. But we have a lot of work ahead of us as a volunteer community, and we call upon the Foundation to meet its commitment of support as we do. We need to rebuild an inclusive wiki that welcomes everyone from all places who wants to contribute to Chinese language Wikipedia in good faith. Many people have felt very unsafe for years, so restoring a shared sense of comfort will likely take a long time. Doing this work is very important to get back to focusing on knowledge and Wikipedia’s five pillars that should unite our community.
Yuan Chang, Chairman of Wikimedia Taiwan
(1) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2019-10-31/In_foc... (2) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2021-07-25/Specia...
中文版本: 在此僅代表台灣維基媒體協會聲明，這個行動是遲來的努力。多年來，香港、中國大陸和台灣的用戶一再呼籲對該組織中的危險成員與行為的關切，包括但不僅止於之前於Signpost報導(1) (另一則報導(2))中所提及。這不是社群，或甚至整個中文維基，可以自行處理的威脅。這些年我們心力交瘁。 現在的處置，讓我們覺得終於有了一些希望。但作為志願者組織，我們仍有很多工作要做，並希望基金會能大力支持。我們需要重建一個具有包容性的維基百科，歡迎來自所有地區，願意真誠貢獻中文知識的參與者。這幾年來，許多參與者感到不安，要恢復原本平和的氛圍，需要相當長時間的努力。這個工作非常重要，有助於我們把心力集中在知識，以及團結我們社群的維基百科的五大支柱上。
台灣維基媒體協會理事長 張遠
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Is anyone allowed to reply to this communication? Or this is just a thread of the statement?
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On Wed, Sep 15, 2021 at 4:19 AM [email protected] wrote:
On behalf of Wikimedia Taiwan, we would like to say that this is long overdue. For more than half a decade, good faith volunteers from Hong Kong, the Chinese mainland, and Taiwan have raised concerns about dangerous members of that organization, including in the Signpost(1) (repeatedly(2)). It is not the kind of threat that communities or even larger ones, like our wiki, can deal with entirely on their own. We have been having very exhausting years.
Now there is some hope. But we have a lot of work ahead of us as a volunteer community, and we call upon the Foundation to meet its commitment of support as we do. We need to rebuild an inclusive wiki that welcomes everyone from all places who wants to contribute to Chinese language Wikipedia in good faith. Many people have felt very unsafe for years, so restoring a shared sense of comfort will likely take a long time. Doing this work is very important to get back to focusing on knowledge and Wikipedia’s five pillars that should unite our community.
Yuan Chang, Chairman of Wikimedia Taiwan
(1) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2019-10-31/In_foc... (2) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2021-07-25/Specia...
中文版本: 在此僅代表台灣維基媒體協會聲明，這個行動是遲來的努力。多年來，香港、中國大陸和台灣的用戶一再呼籲對該組織中的危險成員與行為的關切，包括但不僅止於之前於Signpost報導(1) (另一則報導(2))中所提及。這不是社群，或甚至整個中文維基，可以自行處理的威脅。這些年我們心力交瘁。
現在的處置，讓我們覺得終於有了一些希望。但作為志願者組織，我們仍有很多工作要做，並希望基金會能大力支持。我們需要重建一個具有包容性的維基百科，歡迎來自所有地區，願意真誠貢獻中文知識的參與者。這幾年來，許多參與者感到不安，要恢復原本平和的氛圍，需要相當長時間的努力。這個工作非常重要，有助於我們把心力集中在知識，以及團結我們社群的維基百科的五大支柱上。
台灣維基媒體協會理事長 張遠
(1) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2019-10-31/In_foc... (2) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2021-07-25/Specia...
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I have previously replied to this thread but the reply does not appear on this archived list. My reply was as follows:
"Is anyone allowed to reply to this communication? Or this is just a thread of the statement?"
In other words, has this response been open to further communication?
Hello:
In a communication on Skype dated [3/7/2011], there were communication beyond the zh.wikipedia.org website: https://martinoei.wordpress.com/2011/07/08/%E7%B6%AD%E5%9F%BA%E4%B8%AD%E6%96... .
According to that communication in the link above, the user ffaarr who started this thread was involved in that 3/7/2011 communication.
So I doubt whether what can be read on www.wikipedia.org is the the full story, or not, on contents about users or community affairs. In other words, there were some lost trust.
Thanks for reading.
Ktsquare
On Mon, Sep 5, 2022 at 12:38 PM Nathan [email protected] wrote:
This is a mailing list to which anyone can post, although non-member posts are held for approval. Your previous reply does, in fact, appear in the public archives of the list.
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Hi Ktsquare,
I'm not sure if I fully understand what you're trying to say. Could you rephrase it?
If someone else understands the point, thanks to a better knowledge of the context, could clarify, that would be appreciated too.
Lodewijk
On Thu, Sep 22, 2022 at 11:10 PM ktsquare [email protected] wrote:
Hello:
In a communication on Skype dated [3/7/2011], there were communication beyond the zh.wikipedia.org website: https://martinoei.wordpress.com/2011/07/08/%E7%B6%AD%E5%9F%BA%E4%B8%AD%E6%96... .
According to that communication in the link above, the user ffaarr who started this thread was involved in that 3/7/2011 communication.
So I doubt whether what can be read on www.wikipedia.org is the the full story, or not, on contents about users or community affairs. In other words, there were some lost trust.
Thanks for reading.
Ktsquare
On Mon, Sep 5, 2022 at 12:38 PM Nathan [email protected] wrote:
This is a mailing list to which anyone can post, although non-member posts are held for approval. Your previous reply does, in fact, appear in the public archives of the list.
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Hi all,
I was not involved in the 3/7/2011 communication, indicated in one previous email but I was indicating that there have been communications beyond the Wikimedia Mailing List for a long time, going before 3/7/2011.* Therefore what is read and seen on the Wikimedia Mailing List is not likely the complete picture.*
For example, the first record of Andrew LIh on Chinese Wikipedia is dated (2012年2月28日) https://zh.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=%E9%85%88%E5%AE%89%E6%B2%BB&oldid=19406093 but the photo of him in that history version is dated 3 August 2007, some four and half years before the first date. https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikimania2007_Andrew_Lih_with_mic.jpg
Ktsquare
On Fri, Sep 23, 2022 at 11:40 AM effe iets anders [email protected] wrote:
Hi Ktsquare,
I'm not sure if I fully understand what you're trying to say. Could you rephrase it?
If someone else understands the point, thanks to a better knowledge of the context, could clarify, that would be appreciated too.
Lodewijk
On Thu, Sep 22, 2022 at 11:10 PM ktsquare [email protected] wrote:
Hello:
In a communication on Skype dated [3/7/2011], there were communication beyond the zh.wikipedia.org website: https://martinoei.wordpress.com/2011/07/08/%E7%B6%AD%E5%9F%BA%E4%B8%AD%E6%96... .
According to that communication in the link above, the user ffaarr who started this thread was involved in that 3/7/2011 communication.
So I doubt whether what can be read on www.wikipedia.org is the the full story, or not, on contents about users or community affairs. In other words, there were some lost trust.
Thanks for reading.
Ktsquare
On Mon, Sep 5, 2022 at 12:38 PM Nathan [email protected] wrote:
This is a mailing list to which anyone can post, although non-member posts are held for approval. Your previous reply does, in fact, appear in the public archives of the list.
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