Wikidata:Property proposal/digital distribution platform

digital distribution platform

Originally proposed at Wikidata:Property proposal/Creative work

   Not done

Description	online platform or service used for distributing, managing and/or hosting this work or software
Represents	creative work (Q17537576)
Data type	Item
Domain	item
Allowed values	digital distribution platform (Q19307174)
Example 1	13 Reasons Why (Q18464203) --> Netflix (Q907311)
Example 2	Half-Life 2 (Q193581) --> Steam (Q337535)
Example 3	Dear Esther (Q1583764) --> Mod DB (Q2983178)
Example 4	The Fame Monster (Q164621) --> Spotify (Q689141)
Robot and gadget jobs	Move all digital distribution platforms from distributed by (P750) to this property
See also	distributed by (P750)

Motivation

We currently use distributed by (P750) ( to both list the company who distributes a creative work but also the online platform that the work are being hosted on. Hence why i propose this new property. --Trade (talk) 13:19, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

WikiProject Music has more than 50 participants and couldn't be pinged. Please post on the WikiProject's talk page instead.--Trade (talk) 10:46, 16 February 2021 (UTC)

Discussion

@ChristianKl: --Trade (talk) 13:23, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

•  Comment distribution format (P437)? --Tinker Bell ★ ♥ 20:57, 15 February 2021 (UTC)
  • Music streaming is a distribution format. Spotify is an online music streaming service. Does that make sense to you? @Tinker Bell: --Trade (talk) 21:07, 15 February 2021 (UTC)
    • Yes, I think Spotify is a service, and behind that service there is a proprietary protocol associated with the service, so that service can be itself a subclass of a distribution format. For me it makes sense. --Tinker Bell ★ ♥ 01:35, 16 February 2021 (UTC)
      • I'm not sure how useful listing the protocol instead of the website would really be. --Trade (talk) 01:41, 16 February 2021 (UTC)
•  Comment Not opposed but I have question: Isn't it implicit that every item with an Apple/Deezer/Spotify album ID is also distributed on their platforms? Wouldn't an extra property just duplicate this information? Moebeus (talk) 13:12, 16 February 2021 (UTC)
•  Comment By having this property, you are essentially obligating users to update it whenever it changes. Given the nature of the world today, it almost guarantees there will be change every couple of years. I don't feel that should be a Wikidata responsibility. On Wikipedia when there are lists of recordings, they do not list every recorded manifestation, usually only one and the first (or the first CD version). Using this property, as they say on Wikipedia, smacks of recentism. - Kosboot (talk) 23:23, 16 February 2021 (UTC)
•  Support, an important property for culture.--Arbnos (talk) 15:51, 19 February 2021 (UTC)
•  Oppose per Property talk:P750#Time to stop the madness of deduced statements?. According to provided examples, this proposal has same issues as distributed by (P750). --Lockal (talk) 13:27, 20 February 2021 (UTC)

  Namely, for The Fame Monster (Q164621) it would look like: Spotify (Q689141), YouTube (Q866), YouTube Music (Q28404534), Apple Music (Q20056642), Deezer (Q602243), iHeartRadio (Q793699), Gaana (Q17015170), JioSaavn (Q7395748), Hungama Digital Media Entertainment (Q5942688), Wynk Limited (Q24949432), Joox (Q28187024), Genie (Q16189915), Yandex Music (Q4537983), VK (Q116933), Zvuk (Q105047698), last.fm (Q183718) and dozens of other services, which do not add any valuable information for already existing external identifier system. --Lockal (talk) 13:43, 20 February 2021 (UTC)

I'm not even sure if half of those counts as music streaming platforms@Lockal:--Trade (talk) 16:01, 20 February 2021 (UTC)

I suppose all of them are music streaming platforms. You may just miss the streaming functionality for some of them, because it is available for specific countries (Russia in my case, but I also included few services from Korea/Indonesia/India regions). In opposite, I skipped some services like iHeartRadio, which are not accessible in Russia. And as the proposal is named as "digital distribution platform", it also includes digital downloads too. A can provide a similar example for movies too: I wouldn't be surprised to find if there are even more distribution platforms for a single movie than for music compositions. --Lockal (talk) 17:02, 20 February 2021 (UTC)

To make it clear: the problem I see is not that there are too many "digital distribution platforms" for a single digital creative work. The problem is that current proposal suggests to linearly increase the number of statements, without adding any extra benefit. However, I would support the proposal where "digital distribution platform" is limited in the same way as website account on (P553) is: where all existing external identifiers are marked with none-of constraint (Q52558054) constraint. --Lockal (talk) 18:12, 20 February 2021 (UTC)

I'm not sure if i really follow your proposal? --Trade (talk) 23:39, 20 February 2021 (UTC)

I tend to agree with Lockal's point here, this property would be useful for indicating relevant distribution platforms that don't already have external identifiers, much the same way we do for website accounts. That's a pretty reasonable suggestion, isn't it? Moebeus (talk) 22:05, 22 February 2021 (UTC)

@Moebeus, Trade, Lockal, Arbnos, Kosboot, Tinker Bell:  Not done - Clearly lacking consensus. JesseW (talk) 14:39, 28 March 2021 (UTC)