Wikidata:Property proposal/subject stated as, predicate stated as
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subject stated as, predicate stated as
[edit]subject stated as
[edit]Originally proposed at Wikidata:Property proposal/Generic
Not done
| Description | how the subject was given in the source (only use as qualifier) |
|---|---|
| Data type | String |
| Example 1 | Antoine Chazal (Q2853791) Benezit ID (P2843) B00036491 <subject stated as> Antoine Toussaint de Chazal |
| Example 2 | (deprecated) Balkans (Q23522) GeoNames ID (P1566) 783759 <subject stated as> Balkan Peninisula |
| Example 3 | MISSING |
| Robot and gadget jobs | Bot to move all qualifiers object named as (P1932) of identifier properties to this property |
| See also | object named as (P1932) |
predicate stated as
[edit]Originally proposed at Wikidata:Property proposal/Generic
Not done
| Description | how the predicate (property) was given in the source (only use as qualifier) |
|---|---|
| Data type | String |
| Example 1 | So Dear to My Heart (Q2090255) musical conductor (P3300) Ken Darby (Q2316737) <predicate stated as> Vocal director |
| Example 2 | MISSING |
| Example 3 | MISSING |
| See also | object named as (P1932), object of statement has role (P3831) (used if there're specific items for this) |
Motivation
[edit]Currently object named as (P1932) has description "use as qualifier to indicate how the value was given in the source", but is also used to indicate how subject or predicate was given. It is confusing, so we should split the property, leaving object named as (P1932) for "object stated as" only. GZWDer (talk) 20:31, 6 September 2018 (UTC)
Discussion
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Support These make sense to me, although there has been some confusion among wikidata users about the terms "subject" and "predicate" so better labels might be helpful (could we say "item" and "property" here?). Also - should this be of type "monolingual string" (specifying a language) rather than just "string"? ArthurPSmith (talk) 19:02, 7 September 2018 (UTC)- If it is a monolingual string object named as (P1932) should be a monolingual string too; though most uses of object named as (P1932) are author names which have no language in itself.--GZWDer (talk) 23:40, 7 September 2018 (UTC)
Comment @GZWDer: Standard procedure currently is to use subject named as (P1810) to record how the subject of the property was stated --it is widely used as a qualifier on external IDs; object named as (P1932) should normally only be used for the value of a statement. Not sure how wide a need there is for "predicate stated as". Jheald (talk) 18:58, 4 October 2018 (UTC)- Should this be used as a source property rather than a qualifier? (This applies to states as as well, I suppose.) --Yair rand (talk) 01:51, 26 November 2018 (UTC)
Not done Not enough support.--Micru (talk) 14:02, 19 December 2018 (UTC)