Wikidata talk:WikiProject Movies

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Wikidata:Project_chat#(5000)_unconnected_television_season_articles_in_the_english_language_wikipedia_after_pages_have_been_moved

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Tracked in Phabricator
Task T143486

Hello, since {{Ping project|Movies}} has more then 50 members and therefore can not pinged please see

Thanks a lot! M2k~dewiki (talk) 23:12, 31 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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@Carlinmack, Haseeb, Demadrend, Jakeob9000, RealityBites: for information M2k~dewiki (talk) 23:19, 31 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Sriveenkat, Keplersj, dseomn, Fuzheado, BeLucky: for information M2k~dewiki (talk) 23:19, 31 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Some season articles already have been created as duplicates and should be merged:
M2k~dewiki (talk) 23:21, 31 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Sitelinks have been modified:
Duplicates haven been merged, e.g.:
M2k~dewiki (talk) 14:32, 1 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wikidata:Property proposal/FBW-Kennung

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I have created a property proposal for the movie IDs on FBW. Would appreciate comments here. -- Ontogon (talk) 12:25, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Animation characters

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Please what's the difference between Q15711870 and Q118247723? Infovarius (talk) 20:25, 25 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Just my guess: I think video game character (Q1569167)'s are normally animated too, making them together with animated film characters subclasses of animated character (Q15711870). Q1569167 still has no link to Q15711870, however. --Wolverène (talk) 05:13, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Well, normally video games are not considered to be animation films... Infovarius (talk) 09:56, 27 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Characters in games and in animation films may be both created using 2D/3D animation. Animation does not belong solely to filmmaking, as far as I understand the definition.
Also e.g., Clippit is an animated character, and it does not belong to animated film or video game characters. Let's learn another opinions. --Wolverène (talk) 10:39, 27 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wikidata:Property proposal/FilmVandaag ID

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Notifying participants of this project about a newly proposed property. Regards Kirilloparma (talk) 00:32, 28 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wikidata:Property proposal/Jedipedia.net ID

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Notifying participants of this project about a newly proposed property. Matthias M. (talk) 11:36, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wikidata:Property proposal/Sinhala Cinema Database ID

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Notifying participants of this project about a newly proposed property. Sriveenkat|talk/{PING ME} 18:28, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

FYI, I created those two properties : Sinhala Cinema artist ID (P12759) and Sinhala Cinema film ID (P12760). Cheers, VIGNERON (talk) 09:55, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Going to remove all Letterboxd deprecated redirect IDs

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The reasons are already listed here Property talk:P6127#Keeping deprecated redirect IDs? In short, the reason is the possibility of an infinite generation of IDs for a single film by any user, and the fact that old IDs of one film can become working IDs of a new film. When working with slug IDs - it is better to keep only the current one, instead of collecting every possible replacement. If there are no objections, I'll do it tomorrow. P.S. This only applies to redirects where the working ID is already specified, withdrawn IDs remain in place. Solidest (talk) 16:02, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Bot importing short films available on YouTube

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Is there a bot that imports short films data from imdb or similar databases en masse?

If not, it would be great if somebody could set a bot like that up, especially or in particular for short films available on YouTube (or even better films available for free on sites like YT in general).

Then at some point one could use WikiFlix as a UI to find and watch short-films. It currently only shows public domain films but I think a toggle button to make it also show films available for free but not in the creative commons / PD would make it much more useful.

For example, it's made for watching films in specific and one can browse around using the data such as the data on the release date, origin country, imdb ratings, or genre. It would also make the tool much better known and may get more people contributing to Wikidata or read the linked associated Wikipedia article and so on. Currently, more or less only the few CCBY/PD mostly-old short films here can be watched there but unlike for movies many short films are free to watch in full on sites like YT but I found that Wikidata is missing data on most of them. Prototyperspective (talk) 12:01, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Core properties - only 3 options for instance

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There's a limited set of items that should be used in instance of (P31) per the current schema. The core properties for this project only includes three values:

Are those meant to be a partial list of examples, or are those meant to be the only desirable values for items within the scope of this project? If the former, that could be made explicit. If the later, then that list of values ought to be expanded to include television series (and probably others too), as this project houses television in addition to feature film.

I want to cc User:Solidest here as a courtesy so they can comment if they want. Hope they don't mind. Jerimee (talk) 21:04, 15 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Television series are listed below in Wikidata:WikiProject Movies/Properties#television series. But there is no clean established schema there. television program (Q15416) is still used quite often in p31 with reality, news program or game shows. Whereas television series (Q5398426) is more typical for fiction series. animated television series (Q117467246) is rather used instead of animated series (Q581714), and miniseries (Q1259759) with web series (Q526877) are also used quite often. All the current uses can be seen here: https://w.wiki/AvUx . The large number of Japanese television drama and anime television series is rather erroneous and needs to be corrected, but this should probably be discussed somewhere first, as it is added by bots and is probably built into some property constraints.
For films, apart from the mentioned, animated short film, animated film, silent film, anime film are used quite often. The others are used to a lesser extent: Wikidata:WikiProject_Movies/Numbers#instance_of_(P31). Silent films would probably also be correct to remove from the scheme, but this requires discussion. And there is no consensus on animated films either, so they are currently used in many forms. Solidest (talk) 22:42, 15 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Film based on literature/novel/actual events = genre or not

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There has been a debate as to whether such entities as film adaptation (Q1257444), film based on literature (Q52162262), film based on book (Q52207310), film based on a novel (Q52207399), film based on actual events (Q28146524) can be considered film genres and placed in genre (P136) or not. I believe that the term "genre" does not imply a characterisation that a work can be based on something. The understanding of film genres is rather limited - it is correctly described in en:Film genre in the premise and supported throughout wikipedia genre articles (and categorization as well). They are the narrative techniques and/or aesthetics of a work, and not the characteristic of the script source. And it should work the same in all narrative arts. remake (Q31235) (a work based on another work) is the same vein and never considered them as genres: film remake (Q104840802) or video game remake (Q4393107). So I've already set up the constraints to use the "film adaptation" subtypes in has characteristic (P1552) instead of genre (P136), but Plexci insists that I'm misunderstanding the definition of this. And cites the film database https://www.filmdienst.de/suche/literaturverfilmung , which includes "4K UHD" as a genre along with "literary film adaptation". In the discussion on the first link I explain that this is just a problem of databases being limited to creating new classes along with film genres - that is not a really wikidata problem where we can create as many metaclasses as we need to define types. So we need a consensus on this, because a couple of film adaptation types have long been labelled genres and filled in accordingly in many films - in my opinion, they should just be batch-moved to p1552, with possibly creating a new class for them if needed. Solidest (talk) 11:13, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Just found another discussion on this topic: Property talk:P136#genre (P136) = film adaptation (Q1257444) or based on (P144) = item ?, where Billinghurst and Infovarius also agree that "film adaptation" is not a genre. I assume your opinion extends to its subtypes as well? Solidest (talk) 16:30, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I agree with your points. Jean-Fred (talk) 17:28, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This is only a theoretical debate, which can be maintained in the various wikis if they accept this genre or not. But this is not the task of Wikidata. Here neutral data is collected and there are currently 4 wikis that list this as a genre as mentioned before. It is used in genre (P136) and it is absolutely no solution to delete instance of (P31) in these objects. -- Plexci (talk) 18:08, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Well, the thing is, it's the Wikidata task. There are many such similar cases where the WD data can be filled with many variants, given how many properties we have. Specifically here it could be instance of (P31), genre (P136), form of creative work (P7937), has characteristic (P1552), and possibly something else. Topic projects exist to establish a consistent approach within their topic and to ensure that data is entered in this way everywhere. Through such discussions we find the most correct (most often logical, but sometimes required) usage and then we stick to it by writing it into the project's schema. We simply decide how to store the neutral date to maintain consistency instead of chaos.
> "4 wikis that list this as a genre as mentioned before." Firstly you wrote about 2 wikis there, and secondly none of those articles use the word 'genre'. Categories are not worth considering, as they often don't match even between Interwikis, not to mention Wikidata, which has a much more precise structure (Especially given that we know the approach that Wikidata is its own project, not a reproduction of Wikipedia). And it would be even right to remove them from these categories in accordance with the text of the articles.
> "It is used in genre (P136)." This gets resolved the same way as any error you find. You decide it's incorrect and do a move to the correct location. I can take over the whole thing..
> "It is absolutely no solution to delete instance of (P31) in these objects." ...Why? Plenty of items exist without P31 and that's fine. If you want a separate class for them, you can create one. Solidest (talk) 18:59, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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