Talk:The Avengers (2012 film)

Filming

I'm not sure why it mentions how Paltrow and Bettany became apart of the film, but I think it is irrelevant to the section. The filming section discusses just that, and reading about their casting threw me off. It just seem so off topic to me. To avoid confusion, I think that bit should be placed in the pre-production section. —DAP388 (talk) 22:07, 6 May 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 14 July 2012

Add cat "American action thriller films".

StarShopSTX (talk) 12:47, 14 July 2012 (UTC)

 Done Andie ▶(Candy)◀ 14:59, 14 July 2012 (UTC)

At what point does this film fall into this category? Darkwarriorblake (talk) 15:15, 14 July 2012 (UTC)

 Undone. Yeah, I was thinking the same thing. Allmovie, which is used in List of thriller films of the 2010s to cite the genre, does not include this genre. We need to limit categories to what is verifiable and not base it on original research.--TriiipleThreat (talk) 15:44, 14 July 2012 (UTC)

Considering most of of action films are thrillers, and action is a sub-genre of thriller, and the action in this film belongs to the thriller action scenes, I just suggested. StarShopSTX (talk) 16:53, 14 July 2012 (UTC)

Do you have a reliable source? Wikipedia policy is no original research.--TriiipleThreat (talk) 17:12, 14 July 2012 (UTC)

I've found a source, but it's in German (well I found another but that was in a blog site) here it is StarShopSTX (talk) 23:04, 15 July 2012 (UTC)

That you had to go to a German source probably shows that it isn't a common thought. Please read the article on Thriller, the Avengers is not a thriller. Sleeping with the Enemy is a thriller. Tell me where is the overlap there between that film and this. Darkwarriorblake (talk) 23:07, 15 July 2012 (UTC)

,, , Is this sufficient? StarShopSTX (talk) 21:28, 18 July 2012 (UTC)

First, if you want to link to something, add square brackets around it [, not ref. Second, no, a reviewer describing something as an action thriller does not actually place it in that genre, magically enough and the Virgin one specifically states what it's genre is then calls it something else in the review, showing how superfluous those mentions are, and the FilmReview one doesn't say Thrill or Thriller at all. Doesn't even say Thri. So you're down to three sources, one of which contradicts what you are claiming, the remaining two are reviews by non associated people being stated in a review. And of course there's that simple fact I've mentioned a few times that it does not fit into the description of a thriller in any shape or form. You had to go to Germany to find a source, now you're scraping the barrel elsewhere, so it obviously isn't a prominent opinion that this is an action thriller. Darkwarriorblake (talk) 21:48, 18 July 2012 (UTC)

The Movie it's also distributed by Paramount Pictures

The Avengers it's also distributed by Paramount Pictures. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lucasmoura (talk • contribs) 01:42, 21 July 2012 (UTC)

It isn't distributed by Paramount Pictures. See note 1 for more information. :) Hadger 02:39, 21 July 2012 (UTC)

Incubator for The Avengers 2

This is just a notice that an article for The Avengers 2 is being incubated at Wikipedia:Article Incubator/The Avengers 2 until such time that it is ready for inclusion in the mainspace. All are welcome to come help nurture the article's development there.--TriiipleThreat (talk) 11:05, 25 July 2012 (UTC)

Does the included information have to be conformed or can it be rumours?--88.111.127.125 (talk) 16:53, 27 September 2012 (UTC)

Think of it as an article. Source it and write it like you would an article. It just can't be in the mainspace until there is a ton more coverage for it, or it starts filming. Whichever comes first. -Fandraltastic (talk) 17:00, 27 September 2012 (UTC)

Thx for the info!--88.111.127.125 (talk) 17:04, 27 September 2012 (UTC)

Scarlet Johansson - sequel

The New York Post article stating Johansson is getting $20 million for the sequel is actually sourcing this article from The Sun. And as such, I am not sure it should be used. Thoughts?--TriiipleThreat (talk) 15:43, 27 July 2012 (UTC)

I'm inclined to agree. The source is not reputable, and technically the entire cast (sans RDJ) is signed for the sequel. Whether of not they actually do it may depend on scheduling and other factors, and can't really be confirmed until production begins to start up. -Fandraltastic (talk) 21:51, 30 July 2012 (UTC)

I used a reference from the Sun for Prometheus and it turned out to be completely false. So yeah, nuts to the Sun. Darkwarriorblake (talk) 21:54, 30 July 2012 (UTC)

The Sun is known for being unreliable--88.111.114.152 (talk) 13:14, 23 September 2012 (UTC)

"Outside North America" box office

Worldwide the film is in third place, but excluding North America, as that header implies, the film is the fourth highest of all time: http://boxofficemojo.com/alltime/world/?pagenum=1&sort=osgross&order=DESC&p=.htm Behind Titanic, Avatar, and the 8th Harry Potter film. Either the header needs to change or the info does. Cheers -Fandraltastic (talk) 18:34, 4 August 2012 (UTC)

Home Media request for edit.

The 'Home Media' section says it will be released on 25 september 2012. However, the cited source is about a 'DVD/Blu-ray Combo Pack'. The DVD is already for sale in Europe at the time of writing --21:25, 12 September 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.119.189.36 (talk)

That is what I was trying to check because I saw Blu-Ray copies in legit stores in Seoul today. Korean website says it was released Sept 6th. I checked WalMart's US website and it says release date of Sept 25th, Amazon UK says the 17th, Amazon Japan 25th, so it looks like staggered release dates. I'll update. ₪RicknAsia₪ 14:21, 15 September 2012 (UTC)

I removed what read like an advertisement for a 10-disc set. It didn't add any material information to the content already here, and it was cited to a dubious report (itself citing someone else) that at least twice used the word "rumors" to describe what it was "reporting." --Tenebrae (talk) 08:40, 21 September 2012 (UTC)

Thanos in Avengers 2

Regarding this good faith edit by an IP in the incubator about Thanos appearing in The Avengers 2 and Guardians of the Galaxy, the source traces back to this Cosmic Book News article which states it obtained the information from a forum poster who says that she heard it from Jim Starlin. At this point, I would consider this to be rumor/hearsay and should not be included in the article until, we have something more official to go by.--TriiipleThreat (talk) 14:41, 21 September 2012 (UTC)

Agreed, not a reliable source. -Fandraltastic (talk) 15:13, 21 September 2012 (UTC)

TalkWorld Review

We should add mention of TalkWorld review http://wetalkworld.net/avengers-review/413 --88.111.114.152 (talk) 13:13, 23 September 2012 (UTC)

Is the site notable enough? It only has 80 hits, if you hit 100 hits, then I'll consider it!--88.111.127.125 (talk) 16:10, 27 September 2012 (UTC)

Retcon

We should mention the retcon http://www.bleedingcool.com/2012/09/17/have-marvel-retconned-the-avengers-on-dvd-or-just-censored-it/ There is a theory that this digital edit has been made as an act of retcon, enabling Marvel to backtrack on Coulson’s death in future movies It’s also worth pointing out that this change to the UK DVD and Blu-ray has not changed the certificate of the film. It’s still carrying the little 12 badge--88.111.114.152 (talk) 13:17, 23 September 2012 (UTC)

This should be mentioned I think!--88.111.127.125 (talk) 16:08, 27 September 2012 (UTC)

Coulson name

Agent Coulsons first name is Phil The source is reliable--88.111.114.152 (talk) 13:18, 23 September 2012 (UTC)

It is Phil Coulson. Even said in the film. Charlr6 (talk) 17:37, 23 September 2012 (UTC)

Preparation for GA review

I assume with the release of the Blu-ray, there will be another influx of editors to this article, after this dies down I see no problem with nominating it for GA review. However in the mean time there are a few things we can do help get it ready;

Tidy up the Box Office section. This section, in my opinion seems cluttered with minutiae. Also the referencing in this section should mirror the rest of the article. All citations should be moved to references section. There are a couple of bare URLs, citations needed in records section, missing metadata in the citation templates and every online source should be archived.--TriiipleThreat (talk) 21:35, 25 September 2012 (UTC)

Generally the only edits people will make once the home release comes out is to the plot, so I think you would be safe to go ahead with a GA Nom once the issues you raise are fixed. The Box office records...I guess theyre notable, it is a big box office deal, but there must be a significantly better way of presenting them. Darkwarriorblake (talk) 21:45, 25 September 2012 (UTC)

True, I was just concerned about stability since it is a good articles criteria and I agree there must be a better way to present the BO section. Any ideas?--TriiipleThreat (talk) 21:53, 25 September 2012 (UTC)

I'd probably lose the level 4 headers and replace them with ;'s, the level 4 headers just tend to look messy, and drop the worldwide header, that should just be the opening of the box office section, we make it clear in the following two sections where we are being specific, so the opening of BO I think should just be part of that general opening summary. The table I don't know what to do with. Is it going tobe eventually wittled down to nothing as records are surpassed or just repurposed to show the record it once held? Darkwarriorblake (talk) 22:04, 25 September 2012 (UTC)

I have already replaced the level 4 headers so far. I think we should reformat the box office section to include the general section and commercial analysis section and create it into an article, probably List of box office records set by The Avengers. A very good example of this can be found in Avatar (2009 film) and Titanic (1997 film). Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 22:13, 25 September 2012 (UTC)

If other records can be found (there are probably some already there in the prose) a list could be a way to go. My issue with the table at the minute is that is it in a section called records, yet it represents apparently only the North American market place when two thirds of its box office wasn't made there. Darkwarriorblake (talk) 22:18, 25 September 2012 (UTC)

If someone could find the records it set outside the NA market, then we could put them into the section/subarticle. As it stands, that's already a highly impressive list of records just in the North American market... rdfox 76 (talk) 13:00, 27 September 2012 (UTC)

It set a ton of international records. I could track down a few of them but the list will get really, really long. -Fandraltastic (talk) 16:24, 27 September 2012 (UTC)

post-credits scenes

Isn't it Red skull the master of the Other whom is seen at post-credits scenes? --Javid44 (talk) 17:13, 3 October 2012 (UTC)Javid44