Talk:Albert Park Circuit

Original circuit

Someone with some knowledge of the pre-1996 history of the racing circuit (particularly the 1950's races) may want to add info to this article. ozzmosis 16:41, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

I was looking to start a writing up the original circuit, but reading this article as it stands, and considering the name of the article I'm not sure its entirely appropriate. The article isn't really much about the circuit itself and is more about what happens at the ecircuit, and 'Melbourne' was never used to describe the original circuit, it was always the Albert Park circuit. What are other edittors thoughts - should the original circuit have a separate article? Is some description of the current circuit of higher priority? --Falcadore (talk) 02:02, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

Additions

I added the coordinates of the circuit. The coordinates given are for the start/finish line, taken from Google Earth.--Ciroa 16:08, 18 September 2006 (UTC)--

I added link to BBC & au.sports.yahoo.com/news/article--Cheetaih (talk) 23:17, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

Stands' Names

Why is the biggest stand called Fangio and the 2nd called Senna? Should not they be called respectively Schumacher and Fangio? And the actual Schumacher renamed to Senna?

JMRRF - Porto, Portugal 2008 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.130.86.66 (talk) 14:17, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

In 1996, when the circuit was first used (and the stands were named), Schumacher had only won 2 Championships. DH85868993 (talk) 14:49, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

The actual Schumacher renamed to Senna? Did I miss something?!? I hope you mean the stand, and not the man. Apterygial (talk) 07:39, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

Why would ranking the grandstands be in any way important anyway? Do the grandstands moan about their names in the pub after the race meeting? Do they complain about not having won enough championships? --Falcadore (talk) 07:43, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

Of course it doesn't matter. Renaming a stand every time someone wins another championship is absurd. Though I do like your idea, Falcadore, of the stands in the pub afterwards. Apterygial (talk) 07:23, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

Lap record

A note to the users who are editing in Sebastian Vettel's pole position time from the 2010 Grand Prix...the lap record in an infobox on Wikipedia relates to the lap record recorded in race conditions. Now, as Vettel's time was set in the qualifying practice session, it is not considered as an official lap record. Thus Michael Schumacher's 1:24.125 is still the official lap record, and should be listed in the infobox. Cs-wolves(talk) 10:43, 27 March 2010 (UTC)

As an example, numerous drivers lapped under Felipe Massa's old lap record (1:38.708), but the official lap record stands at 1:38.683 by Timo Glock, which is shown in the infobox on Valencia Street Circuit. Cs-wolves(talk) 10:43, 27 March 2010 (UTC)

This is the lap record for the circuit not for the F1 GP race so i don't get your point, people wants to know what's the fastest ever recorded time on this track not what's the fastest race lap recorded for F1 here, there is another page for that here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australian_Grand_Prix. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.220.162.228 (talk) 16:31, 31 October 2010 (UTC)

It is nice of you to assume for everyone what they want. What you as an individual want is not particularly important against that the terminology for Lap record has always been for race laps only. Qualifying laps have never counted towards lap records in Australia or in any other FIA aligned country, so I don't see why we should change the rules because you, personally, like qualifying laps. Qualifying laps have their own record, it is why the term qualifying lap record exists. --Falcadore (talk) 23:20, 31 October 2010 (UTC)

Infobox

Please do not delete information regarding the first Albert Park circuit. --Falcadore (talk) 22:11, 22 March 2012 (UTC)

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Support races 2018

Does the information in the "Support races 2018" section belong in this article (i.e. at the article about the circuit), or at 2018 Australian Grand Prix? DH85868993 (talk) 10:18, 3 February 2018 (UTC) Certainly not here. Same with the 2019 support races.Tvx1 22:33, 18 March 2019 (UTC)

Agree. Obviously. None of this should be about the races really. HiLo48 (talk) 22:36, 18 March 2019 (UTC)

Lead section needs some attention

"The Australian Grand Prix has always been more of a promoter event than a profit-raiser in itself. The contract was prolonged until 2023, although tobacco advertising has been banned since 2007." - I'm not sure what this is supposed to mean, or how it is relevant information about the circuit. This wiki entry isn't about the Australian Grand Prix itself. Which contract was prolonged? And what does tobacco advertising have to do with it? -- Epistolarius (talk) 11:39, 7 February 2018 (UTC)

Infobox update

I have updated the infobox in regard to circuit layout in recognition of the announcemnt that the circuit layout will be changed for 2021--Brozovera (talk) 22:19, 24 February 2021 (UTC)

Requested move 30 January 2020

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The result of the move request was: Page moved to "Albert Park Circuit". (closed by non-admin page mover) Jerm (talk) 15:33, 6 February 2020 (UTC)

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Melbourne Grand Prix Circuit → ? – I believe this article should either be renamed to Albert Park Circuit or Albert Park Grand Prix Circuit (or with a lowercase "c" on circuit?) per WP:Common name, and also since it's not even clear if Melbourne Grand Prix Circuit is the official name.

Firstly, I live in Melbourne and I've never heard anyone in common useage refer to it as "Melbourne Grand Prix cirtuit". It is always, including generally in the local media (see [1], [2] and [3]), referred to as "Albert Park". It is also often referred to as Albert Park in the more specialised sources, for example: in the latest edition of Autocourse, it is referred to as "Albert Park, Melbourne" (see page 118), on ESPN's website it is called "Albert Park" [4], on racingcircuits.info, it is called "Albert Park" [5].

Finally, it's not even clear if "Melbourne Grand Prix Circuit" is the official name: while it's true that the official formula one website usually refers to the Melbourne Grand Prix Circuit (although not always, see [6]), it looks like the local promoters use the term "Albert Park Grand Prix Circuit", for example this article/press release [7]. Also, other series which race there don't necessarily use "Melbourne..." either, for example see the S5000 website [8]. A7V2 (talk) 00:18, 30 January 2020 (UTC)

you have gone to some trouble to explain, well done. Motorsport articles in the australian project are short of a good cohort to keep them up to date and working -

Support move to Albert Park Circuit - per https://trove.nla.gov.au/result?q=albert+park+circuit compared to https://trove.nla.gov.au/result?q=melbourne+grand+prix+circuit, the usage of Albert Park Circuit seems logical change, as long there is adequate flagging of the variant names in the article JarrahTree 06:54, 30 January 2020 (UTC)

• Question – It's difficult to !vote for a better name if no definitive name has been proposed. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 06:30, 30 January 2020 (UTC)

My preference would be for Albert Park Circuit but I figured it would be good to give the option as I'm happy with either and people may have good reasons for choosing one over the other. As for whether the c should be capital or not, I'd say it should be capital since a quick look at other racing circuits shows that they seem to always have Circuit rather than circuit.A7V2 (talk) 07:53, 30 January 2020 (UTC)

• Support move to Albert Park Circuit. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 11:48, 30 January 2020 (UTC)
• Neutral on moves to Albert Park Circuit and Albert Park Grand Prix Circuit. Strong oppose to Albert Park Grand Prix circuit or Albert Park circuit (ie lowercase on circuit). Circuit forms a part of the name and is not an identifier.
  SSSB (talk) 18:06, 30 January 2020 (UTC)

Support move to Albert Park Circuit Fecotank (talk) 02:05, 1 February 2020 (UTC)

• Support Albert Park Circuit --Scott Davis ^Talk 09:53, 1 February 2020 (UTC)
• Support move to Albert Park Circuit.
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Reasons for ending racing in 1958

The last line in the section about the 1950s is very generalised and seems unduly partisan, though I doubt many people would question it, given peoples attitude to media freedom in general. “The press” don’t usually conduct negative campaigns of their own unless they have something to write about and support. Was this a campaign by local residents and reported by “the press”? What were the issues of concern and how long did this campaign last for? Otherwise, this is a classic example of “nothing to see here”. The link supplied didn’t work for me. Flanker235 (talk) 09:41, 11 January 2022 (UTC)

@Flanker235: I'm not sure I'd describe it as partisan, if anything I tried to make it less partisan but it is a bit awkwardly worded. As to the "link" not working, I'm not sure what you mean, the source is a book. I have also removed the better source needed template as I'm unsure why you would be suggesting the source is not reliable. In any case, the text I based this on is "A powerful anti-racing campaign was being mounted in parts of the Melbourne press, elections were looming, and Albert Park was closed for good." Without delving into WP:OR, it seems as though (by my reading) that the press was indeed leading this, thus driving public and political opinion in a similar vein to the "Supercar scare". A7V2 (talk) 12:31, 11 January 2022 (UTC)

I'm suggesting that simply writing it off as campaign by the press to get rid of racing is probably not an adequate explanation but perhaps I didn't put it very well. What are the issues? Who was involved? How long did it go on for. I just think there needs to be more information. If, indeed, "the press" were campaigning against it, what were they saying and what did they have to gain from it? Contrary to popular view, the news media doesn't usually go off on a crusade against something like that. Perhaps it was a prominent reporter, rather than a generalised campaign. Even so, a campaign with only one entity at the head is not likely to be very successful. There are usually two sides to every story. If it's to be brought up, it needs a bit more than a casual line like that. As to the original, west, I realised it was a book shortly after I posted my comment. Did the author of that book elaborate? If so, what did he say? Flanker235 (talk) 12:58, 11 January 2022 (UTC)

I take your point... no the author did not elaborate, though he did partly contextualise it by mentioning previous difficulties. "Even before the Second World War, racing drivers had been studying Albert Park as a potential racing circuit. Their first try, in 1934, foundered in a storm of adverse reaction. The second,... in 1937, met the same dismal fate." and "By careful management, the Light Car Club of Australia managed to secure the near-perfect site for the 1953 Australian Grand Prix" (my emphasis). It's also safe to say that the author is not exactly writing neutrally on this issue. Writing about the proposed new circuit (note for context the book was published in 1995, the year before the first race on the new circuit) "...predictably, the proposal was greeted with another storm of adverse reaction". I've also checked the Macquarie Dictionary of Motoring (pub 1986) entry on Albert Park and it simply states "Later that year (1958), following a government ban, the circuit closed". So as you say it's not as clear cut. I think for the moment then we should replace the line with something simply stating that the circuit closed in 1958? A7V2 (talk) 13:28, 11 January 2022 (UTC)

Sounds very reasonable. Good research too. I didn't realise the acrimony had been around so long. Makes interesting reading. Cheers. Flanker235 (talk) 14:02, 11 January 2022 (UTC)

Done though my wording isn't the best if you want to change it! A7V2 (talk) 23:06, 11 January 2022 (UTC)

No, it's fine as it is. Perhaps, in time, it can be expanded but it's probably not a critical matter. Thanks for listening. Flanker235 (talk) 14:24, 14 January 2022 (UTC)

New surface for 2022

The track is currently being resurfaced. Work started around the beginning of December 2020, though it might have been earlier than that. After the layout changes were made, the top surface was scraped off in preparation for a new top skin. I presume it will be finished in time for the 2022 Grand Prix in April. Unfortunately, I only know this from driving around it every day and I have no back up information so it doesn't qualify for inclusion at the moment under WP:OR. Flanker235 (talk) 14:17, 14 January 2022 (UTC)

Circuit corner numbers have changed.

Existing corners 9 and 10 have been removed. 14 corners in total. The image therefore requires updating. https://www.formula1.com/en/racing/2022/Australia/Circuit.html --Dave F63 (talk) 17:25, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

The map already shows the new layout.Tvx1 14:15, 8 April 2022 (UTC)

It shows the new layout, but the corner numbering in our infobox image is incorrect. SSSB (talk) 15:39, 8 April 2022 (UTC)

As I also wrote in 2022 Australian GP talk page; I am not expert of drawing circuit layouts, just I found the image from somewhere. Maybe @Gpmat, @GabrielStella, or @Anthony Alessio Tralongo can draw and upload better and more accurate circuit layout for Albert Park Circuit. Apeiro94 (talk) 10:50, 9 April 2022 (UTC)

It's accurate and more than good enough. No new drawing is needed. Just a tweak of the corner numbers. What does need drawing, though, is a map of the version of the circuit used for the 1953 and 1956 Australian Grands Prix.Tvx1 14:39, 11 April 2022 (UTC)

Layout for 2022 Season

So, I was looking up in f1's channel and it popped up Australian grand prix. And I need some question maybe someone could help me. Where is the 2022 layout? Is it redesigned minorly or majorly? Can someone find the 2022 layout? Thanks. ChangeMyNamePlease (talk) 09:55, 8 April 2022 (UTC)

It‘s in the infobox.Tvx1 14:13, 8 April 2022 (UTC)

Outright lap record

Hi, I was wondering if it might be prudent to include the above, which I think is Max's pole time of 2023. For all us F1 stat fans, & others, outright lap records are important additions to statistical lists, & for all circuits. Thanks 120.16.128.252 (talk) 21:04, 2 April 2023 (UTC)

Fastest lap record

This circuit's fastest race lap is already on the page (set by Charles Leclerc), but there needs to be a spot for the record of the fastest non-race lap, which recently has been given to Max Verstappen setting a time during Q3 of the 2024 Grand Prix of 1:15.9. Might be a simlilar request to the topic above, just updated though.

Thanks. 194.193.158.18 (talk) 00:00, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

• This is my comment; I posted it with no account earlier. Fmsjd (talk) 00:34, 2 April 2024 (UTC)