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NOTE: I am proposing this edit for FleishmanHillard on behalf of AACSB. I am a paid editor and am aware of the COI guidelines.

I propose that the final sentence in the introductory paragraph, "In 2016 it lost recognition by the Council for Higher Accreditation," be changed to "In 2016 it withdrew from CHEA recognition" for greater accuracy. The source (reference 4) never mentions AACSB losing its CHEA recognition, but instead states that, "At its July 25-26, 2016 meeting, the CHEA Committee on Recognition recommended that CHEA deny recognition to AACSB International-The Association to Advance Collegiate Schools of Business (AACSB). On September 23, 2016, AACSB withdrew from CHEA recognition." The source never uses the word 'lost' or 'losing,' and the History section of the article states that "The association withdrew from CHEA recognition on September 23, 2016." I would argue that changing the final sentence in the introductory paragraph to state that AACSB withdrew from CHEA recognition rather than lost it more accurately reflects the source used for the statement. Thank you for your consideration! SECOND NOTE: I realized I didn't include the actual coding to formally submit the edit request, which I've included now for an editor to review. Thanks! (20 July 2018) Alec Voss (talk) 15:36, 2 July 2018 (UTC)

Alec Voss, this is just a comment, not an answer (since I declined the last request, I'm going to leave it to someone else to answer this one). As I understand it, the association "withdrew" from the CHEA once it had become completely clear that its recognition would be removed; in my opinion, "lost" is is good short description of that process, while "withdrew" presents a distorted and one-sided view of the facts. Someone else may see it differently, though. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 12:00, 3 July 2018 (UTC)

I have to agree. It is clearly stated that the CHEA Recognition Committee denied recognition to AACSB International. It was at this stage that the AACSB withdrew its application. So, the current term used, i.e. "lost" is reasonable and accurate. Audit Guy (talk) 02:52, 4 July 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for the input from both of you! Understand both points of view. Could you argue that the wording of the summary may be biased since the decision is coming from CHEA? Also, the summary does not clearly state that the Committee on Recognition denied recognition to AACSB International, but rather that it recommended denying recognition. I understand Justlettersandnumbers's argument that AACSB may have only withdrew once it was becoming clear that its recognition would be removed, but I'd argue that there's a better way to phrase it rather than just using "lost." It isn't as concise as saying "lost" but maybe something along the lines of "AACSB withdrew from CHEA recognition in 2016 after the CHEA Committee on Recognition recommended that CHEA deny recognition to the organization" would be a better way of accurately phrasing it? Happy to hear additional opinions and talk through any of the points. Alec Voss (talk) 19:09, 20 July 2018 (UTC)

If the above conversation accurately describes what happened then I agree that we should not use Wikipedia's voice to say that this organization "lost" recognition. I think that Alec's suggestion above makes sense. (Of course, we can also address this by directly quoting any high quality sources that explicitly say "lost" and attributing the quotation.) ElKevbo (talk) 20:11, 20 July 2018 (UTC)

  No changes implemented  
Consensus appears to be for the lead sentence to remain as is.  spintendo  15:59, 31 July 2018 (UTC)

Edit request

NOTE: I am proposing this edit on behalf of AACSB. I am a paid employee of AACSB, and a former Wiki editor, so am very aware of the COI guidelines. I am submitting this edit request to continue conversations from 5 June 2018. We have reviewed the feedback provided on earlier submission requests, and the content below has been written and/or re-sourced as per the editor’s feedback so they might be approved through a new edit request. Much is original content, with edits to streamline and help with flow. We hope this might improve our “Start” label under the WikiProject Education/Assessment scoring. I have included a full display of changes that we hope the editorial team is willing to consider, and make on our behalf. This includes original content and new copy. All sourcing has been included, with one or more citations per previous editorial comment/request. I am open to dialogue and/or to answering any questions about the content request made. Many thanks for your time, and for your consideration.

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The Association to Advance Collegiate Schools of Business, also known as AACSB International, is an international professional organization. It was founded in 1916 to provide accreditation to schools of business. In addition to accreditation, the organization expanded its mission and brand in 2017 to serve as a global business education network that connects students, educators and businesses. Not all members of the association are accredited , and the organization does not accredit for-profit schools. In 2016 it withdrew its recognition from the Council for Higher Education Accreditation, and in February 2019 it achieved ISO 9001:2015 certification for all of its offices globally. References COI Edit Request NOTE: I am proposing this edit on behalf of AACSB. I am a paid editor and am aware of the COI guidelines, so I am not willing to edit the page on my own, rather, requesting an editor to do it on my behalf. 1. In the Infobox, please remove "The Association to Advance Collegiate Schools of Business" from formerly called. Its not formerly called, it is the present name. In the infobox, update the "Membership 870 business schools" to "Membership 890 business schools", as the number has increased. 2. In the first paragraph replace It was founded in 1916 to provide accreditation to schools of business. It was formerly known as the American Association of Collegiate Schools of Business and as the International Association for Management Education. with - It was founded in 1916 to provide accreditation to schools of business (and later accounting), for bachelor, master, and doctoral degree programs.. It was formerly known as the American Association of Collegiate Schools of Business and as the International Association for Management Education. 3. Replace In 2016 it lost recognition by the with In 2016 it withdrew from recognition by the. The reason is the References say so. 4. After the above sentence, please add and in 2019 achieved ISO 9001 certification, an international standard for quality improvement. Presently, over 900 business schools in 58 countries are accredited by the AACSB. The president and CEO of the AACSB is Caryn L. Beck-Dudley, and the chair of the association’s Board of Directors is Dean McRae C. Banks of UNC Greensboro. 5. Add after The first school it accredited outside the United States was the University of Alberta in 1968,and the first outside North America was the French business school ESSEC, in 1997. - The AACSB established its accreditation for accounting programs in 1980, later revamping its standards and peer review process in 1990, and again in 2020 into its current form. It is also one of three organizations comprising the Triple Crown accreditation alongside the AMBA and EQUIS. 6. Please remove Robert S. Sullivan, dean of Rady School of Management, became chair of the association in 2013. 7. After this, add - In 2015, the AACSB created the Innovation That Inspires Awards to highlight schools, businesses, and leaders for their work in improving education access and research. No, this is purely promotional, and Wikipedia does not tolerate promotion of any kind. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 12:22, 1 June 2021 (UTC) 8. Replace The association was a recognited member of the Council for Higher Education Accreditation until 2016, at which point the Association withdrew from the Council for Higher Education Accreditation in September 2016. In 2019, it achieved ISO 9001 certification, an international standard for quality improvement. with The association was a recognized member of the Council for Higher Education Accreditation until 2016, at which point the Association withdrew, opting instead to apply for ISO 9001 accreditation, which it was awarded in 2019.This shifted the association to an international set of standards, rather than strictly domestic. 9. Please add under See Also * List of AACSB-accredited schools (business) 10. Please add the following categories: Category:Business education, Category:International college and university associations and consortia, Category:1916 establishments in the United States, Category:School accreditors, Category:Higher education accreditation, Category:Accounting education. ObserverHenry (talk) 08:38, 1 June 2021 (UTC) Some replies: (a) that error fixed, thank you for pointing it out; (b) replaced with sourced content. I don't see that either of the proposed changes is supported by the source; how would they have known in 1916 that it would later accredit accounting schools too? no, the references for loss of recognition had simply been removed by an IP editor, now restored with the associated content. (see below) no, this is purely promotional, and Wikipedia does not tolerate promotion of any kind. why, is it no longer true? no, this is purely promotional, and Wikipedia does not tolerate promotion of any kind. no, unsourced whitewash (and already adequately covered anyway). no, we don't add red links in See-also sections. I've left this and #4 above unanswered, out of time here. ElKevbo, any thoughts? Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 12:22, 1 June 2021 (UTC) As for 3 and 8, the reference says "On September 23, 2016, AACSB withdrew from CHEA recognition. The CHEA Board of Directors was informed of the committee recommendation and the AACSB withdrawal at its September 28, 2016 meeting." Hence, the edit request seems reasonable. I find 4 also non controversial, hence implementing these changes. While for 5, as Justlettersandnumbers said, I would ask ObserverHenry to tone down the promotional phrases to keep the basic facts. Chirota (talk) 08:20, 2 June 2021 (UTC) Also implemented 6,10 and partial 5 per facts and non promotional edits. Chirota (talk) 08:38, 2 June 2021 (UTC) COI Edit Request Thanks for your feedback and edits. I have some more edit requests with me today. Kindly consider adding these edits: 1. Please add AACSB issues its monthly newsletter Newsline and bimonthly magazine BizEd covering the contemporary practices, trends and issues in the domain of management education. after In 2019 it received ISO 9001 certification. References https://bized.aacsb.edu/ https://search.lib.uiowa.edu/primo-explore/fulldisplay/01IOWA_ALMA21299852840002771/01IOWA 2. Please add The Association to Advance Collegiate Schools of Business (AACSB) fosters positive societal impact by partnering with the communities they serve. after It was founded as the American Assembly of Collegiate Schools of Business in 1916 to provide accreditation to schools of business, and was later known as the American Association of Collegiate Schools of Business and as the International Association for Management Education.. Referencess: https://www.startribune.com/give-your-company-a-boost-by-committing-to-improving-society/600055315/ 3. Please add In 1980, AACSB standardized its programs in accountancy where in 1991, it introduced the peer review process. after The first school it accredited outside the United States was the University of Alberta in 1968, and the first outside North America was the French business school ESSEC, in 1997. Reference: https://education.stateuniversity.com/pages/1719/AACSB-International.html 4. Please change The present name of the association was adopted in 2001. to The present name of the association was adopted in April 2001. Reference: https://education.stateuniversity.com/pages/1719/AACSB-International.html 5. Please add AACSB also provides sponsorship to diverse affinity groups in order to facilitate the communication and interconnection between the member institutions. With AACSB;s support, the affinity groups collaborate with the member institutions with dedicated liason officers. after The present name of the association was adopted in 2001. Reference: https://www.encyclopedia.com/education/encyclopedias-almanacs-transcripts-and-maps/aacsb-international, https://www.aacsb.edu/membership/educational/networking-communities 6. Please add In 2015, AACSB introduced the initiative known as "The Innovations That Inspire". The initiative is aimed to recognize the business school projects making a "positive societal impact". Reference: https://www.sfu.ca/sfunews/stories/2019/05/the-embedding-project-garners-more-international-accolades.html, https://news.smu.edu.sg/news/2016/03/07/smus-pioneering-pedagogy-smu-x-recognised-globally-innovation-creativity-and-impact, https://www.imd.org/news/updates/aquatis-innovation-challenge-named-one-of-aacsb-2021-innovations-that-inspire/ https://www.outlookindia.com/newsscroll/jagsom-featured-in-aacsbs-prestigious-global-list-of-24-business-schools-creating-positive-societal-impact/2060429, https://carlsonschool.umn.edu/mili-misrc-covid19-tracking-project 7. Please use the following third party reference as the proof that AACSB obtained the ISO 9001 accreditation. Please remove the [third-party source needed]. References: https://ijbassnet.com/publication/358/download This is the citation: User:Justlettersandnumbers, User:Chiro725, if you have spare time, your kind help will be highly appreciated. ObserverHenry (talk) 00:07, 8 June 2021 (UTC) 1, per the reference Newsline got obsolete since 2001. So I don't think its worth adding in the requested form. 2,5 are completely promotional so not done N. Please see WP:SOAPBOX, ObserverHenry. 2,3,6,7 are done Y. Chirota (talk) 00:23, 8 June 2021 (UTC) References