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Requested move 5 August 2024

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: no consensus. (closed by non-admin page mover) BilledMammal (talk) 11:44, 29 August 2024 (UTC)

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• Bird Island, South Georgia → Bird Island (South Georgia)
• Grass Island, South Georgia → Grass Island (South Georgia)
• Saddle Island, South Georgia → Saddle Island (South Georgia)
• Black Rock, South Georgia → Black Rock (South Georgia)

– Consistent form of disambiguation with other islands in the group and per guidelines at WP:PLACEDAB. Turnagra (talk) 23:11, 3 August 2024 (UTC) This is a contested technical request (permalink). 2pou (talk) 23:19, 5 August 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. Waqar💬 07:16, 14 August 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 10:45, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

• Per WP:NC(), we add parenthetical disambiguation when none of the other solutions lead to an optimal article title. But there is another solution here: comma-separated disambiguation. Per the article titles policy, With place names, if the disambiguating term is a higher-level administrative division, commas are frequently used. As such, I think that this deserves discussion, as parenthetical disambiguation might be suboptimal here. — Red-tailed hawk _(nest) 02:56, 5 August 2024 (UTC)

Listing comment: The above comments apply to all four technical requests. @Turnagra and Red-tailed hawk: courtesy pings regarding my opening of this discussion over the queried technical request. -2pou (talk) 23:24, 5 August 2024 (UTC)

• Support. Commas are used for populated places, but geographic features generally take parenthetical disambiguation per WP:PLACEDAB: "With natural features, the tag normally appears in parentheses, as in Eagle River (Colorado). Specific national conventions may take precedence though." Station1 (talk) 06:10, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose. But I can argue this both ways. See for example King Island, a DAB. I don't think we are entirely consistent, but regard the comma version as being a sort of natural disambiguation, and if so it should be preferred. WP:NCDAB and WP:TITLEDAB both list natural disambiguation before comma, and parenthetical third. I think this is significant. But it probably should be clarified. Andrewa (talk) 07:53, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

  I'm not sure I follow - there's only one article on the King Island page that uses a comma, and that's a suburb (ie. a populated place) rather than an actual island. All of the islands, which are more applicable here, use parenthetical disambiguation. As for a comma being natural, all of the disambiguation pages make a clear distinction between natural and comma disambiguation, and WP:PLACEDAB specifies that parenthetical disambiguation should be used for natural features - making it more suitable here than commas. Turnagra (talk) 09:59, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

Note: WikiProject South America, WikiProject Birds, WikiProject Antarctica, WikiProject South America/South Georgia and the South Sandwich Islands work group, WikiProject Islands, and WikiProject British Overseas Territories have been notified of this discussion. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 10:46, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose unless clearly standard which it doesn't seem to be. Crouch, Swale (talk) 17:19, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

  I'm sorry, can you clarify what you mean? This move would be making it standard for this group of islands by matching to the form used by the rest of them. Turnagra (talk) 19:14, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.