Talk:FaceTime

Citation really needed?

Is a citation really needed for the claim "this has not yet been confirmed by Apple"? I would expect one if the claim was that Apple had confirmed a rumor. Ndufva (talk) 17:14, 21 August 2010 (UTC)

Please - Whoever goes around Wiki putting "citation needed" on every statement should stop it! Wiki is being polluted with the blue marks causing a reading distraction.

• "As of May 2011, it is not yet known to have been ratified by any standards body, and the extent of work by Apple with regards to this promise is unclear as Apple has not released technical specifications for the service. FaceTime is not currently supported on any non-Apple devices.[citation needed]"

Same claim as Ndufva above, it's not needed here. How can you prove something hasn't been done? Swapshop1 (talk) 23:10, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

Need description of how it bootstraps IP-based communication from POTS-initiated call

My guess is that it's using TDD/V.18 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telecommunications_device_for_the_deaf#Protocols), but wilder ideas include carrier acting as "operator" to detect compatibility and create or facilitate setup of the IP connection; or phones SMS'ing each other (for free) through a side channel. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jdsweet (talk • contribs) 01:22, 9 June 2010 (UTC)

Since FaceTime is using SIP, it is likely utilizing existing SIP based presence & signaling for this. IIRC, you can initiate a FaceTime call without placing a POTS call first. Apple probably has a SIP REGISTRAR and an ENUM server for E.164 lookups (phone number -> SIP URI conversion.) 204.145.144.61 (talk) 20:46, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

IPv6

Wouldn’t several of the technologies involved (STUN, TURN, ICE) be unnecessary if the devices (and later telcom carriers) supported IPv6? — Christoph Päper 11:59, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

@Crissov 2600:8807:E51:1B00:242B:7479:ABC0:D188 (talk) 22:05, 7 February 2023 (UTC)

H.264 and AAC

Last time I checked H.264 and AAC were not open, so calling them open standards is somewhat misleading. --93.96.175.64 (talk) 21:35, 3 July 2010 (UTC)

It is not misleading. They ARE open, however they are not free. A license is required to use them. This is similar to GIF and RSA, before their patents expired. (Actually, RSA was released to the public domain just before it was due to expire, but you get the point.) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.145.144.61 (talk) 20:39, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

Technical details

http://blog.roychowdhury.org/2010/06/25/facetime-on-iphone-4-vanilla-unencrypted-stun-and-sip/ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.201.122.82 (talk) 16:11, 5 July 2010 (UTC)

Implementation

"However, with 3rd party software like fring, video calling can operate on a 3G network and can also connect with other phones." -- This is misleading. Apple has opened up access to the front-facing camera to 3rd party developers, but this does NOT imply interoperability between Fring and FaceTime. This sentence is describing how the camera itself may be implemented for video calling. It is not describing the FaceTime implementation. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.145.144.61 (talk) 20:24, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

Exactly right, and we're a month late. (This is what happens when I leave the country...) I'll remove that sentence, since it's not about FaceTime and is really just spam. You could have done it yourself, you know. HereToHelp ^{(talk to me)} 11:43, 18 August 2010 (UTC)

iSight/FaceTime differences?

Is there actually a difference between the two cameras? I was under the impression that they were merely re-branding iSight, but considering that the current comparison page shows the MacBook Air as the only model with a "FaceTime" camera (the rest having iSignt cameras) make me think there is actually a hardware difference. Anybody know anything about this? DanielDPeterson (talk) 07:13, 27 January 2011 (UTC)

The updated Mac notebook comparison shows the MacBook as the only one with an iSight. Air and Pro models now have a FaceTime camera. 74.125.59.1 (talk) 00:43, 3 May 2011 (UTC)

Other Plattforms?

Are there FaceTime Applications for Android, Meego or WebOS? Or is FaceTime Apple exclusive?--78.48.238.140 (talk) 20:41, 4 April 2011 (UTC)

The article says: "FaceTime is a video calling software application [...] for supported mobile devices running the iOS, in addition to Macintosh computers running Mac OS X 10.6.6 and higher." DanielDPeterson (talk) 20:28, 17 April 2012 (UTC)

Samaya det är inte så 2601:444:582:41B0:1111:5E86:96F0:BF22 (talk) 02:09, 18 July 2023 (UTC)

Charging for FaceTime

Does anybody else think that the article on the reason why Apple has to charge you for FaceTime is a load of BS? If what they claim there is true, Apple couldn't give out the Mac Apple store like they did, right? DanielDPeterson (talk) 08:00, 5 April 2011 (UTC)

Sarbanes–Oxley Act

The statement that the "Sarbanes–Oxley Act ... prohibits companies, such as Apple, from providing an unadvertised new feature ... without ..." as well as the reference currently cited in support of this statement do not elaborate on why this would be the case. The statement should be removed from the encyclopedia or the reference be replaced with a suitable reference explaining the nature of how Sarbanes-Oxley leads to this conclusion. Any experts on this, please feel free to amend. 24.87.67.125 (talk) 19:52, 11 May 2011 (UTC)

I don't know how reliable the Macgasm site is. If it is, then I guess it is ok for Wikipedia to take it at its word: if not, then just delete the sentence and its reference. I'm afraid the technicalities of this aspect of SOX are well beyond me personally. --Hroðulf (or Hrothulf) (Talk) 16:46, 14 May 2011 (UTC)

What does it do?

It's amazing to me that nothing in this whole page explains what FaceTime does. What is it? Why would I want it? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.56.244.225 (talk) 03:04, 2 August 2011 (UTC)

First line: "FaceTime is a video calling software application". I think that describes it well enough. DanielDPeterson (talk) 20:30, 17 April 2012 (UTC)

FaceTime for OS X

The document states that FaceTime Audio was available for OS X Mavericks at launch (October 22,2013) That is false. FaceTime did not receive any updates in OS 10.9. FaceTime Audio for Mac was introduced in OS 10.9.2 Beta 2 not OS 10.9. I edited the article to fix that. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.48.223.23 (talk) 16:40, 10 February 2014 (UTC)

Update

The article should be updated to mention that FaceTime Audio has been released on OS 10.9.2 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.48.223.23 (talk) 02:16, 6 March 2014 (UTC)

iPod 4

We don't need to know that the iPod Touch 4 doesn't support FaceTime Audio. iPod 4 owners already know that their device supports up to iOS 6.1.6 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.48.223.23 (talk) 14:38, 29 March 2014 (UTC)

hi babe — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.96.23.7 (talk) 00:36, 6 October 2015 (UTC)

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Makes no sense

This "a provision of the Sarbanes–Oxley Act (2002) bars companies from providing an unadvertised new feature of an already-sold product without enduring "onerous accounting measures."" makes no sense. What should that say? Did you mean to work into that something about free versus paid software? That would make more sense in the context of the discussion about not being easily able to offer FaceTime for free, which is the context in which you introduced the excerpt that I quoted. As it stands, it really makes zero sense. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:600:9F80:7140:ED08:133E:B71:29CA (talk) 07:09, 20 August 2017 (UTC)

System requirements

The system requirements for FaceTime should be researched more closely. You should include the breakdown of compatibility on per-device class and available functionality (that varies) basis. The requirements are very confusing at best and are as follows:

Person MAKES a call:
  iOS8 and newer for phone calls to Mac

Person RECEIVES calls:

 Person MAKES video calls:
  iOS8 and later.
 MacOS - N/A
 
Person RECEIVES video calls:
  iOS 4.1 and later
  MacOS - N/A

Person RECEIVES audio calls:
iOS7 and later
MacOS 10.9.2 and later

Person MAKES RTT calls:
iOS 12.1.1 and later
MacOS 10.14.2 and later

Person RECEIVES RTT calls:
iOS 12.1.1 and later
MacOS 10.14.2 and later

Person makes group FT calls:
iOS 12.1 and later
MacOS 10.14.1 and later

Devices range from iPhone 4, iPod touch (gen 4) all the way to the newest ones. This is not at all clear and simple but should be mentioned. As you see, some requirements may be actual for people using older OS (Lion that theoretically falls within the declared compatibility timeframe or even SnowLeopard). Additionally Apple still sells FaceTime app for SL users but in fact FT with versions older than macOS Mavericks don't work anymore. This only pours oil on the flames. The most vital bit of info regarding the correct minimal requirements for OS X is skipped in the official article. Personally when on the phone support I was told by Apple that FaceTime is not a service but rather an app built into OS X and hence depending on a version of OS it behaves differently. So I think Apple either bothered to make changes reflecting real requirements or they came up with some hidden plot.

Source: 78.62.13.245 (talk) 23:06, 28 December 2018 (UTC)

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Protocol is based on numerous open industry standards - really?

"The FaceTime protocol is based on numerous open industry standards although it is not interoperable with other videotelephony systems".

It is not clear from the article why there is no interoperability when the protocol is based on open standards. Is there something missing from this characterisation of the protocol's openness? 80.41.95.252 (talk) 13:59, 22 June 2021 (UTC)

Citations are expired websites

Noticing some of the citations no longer exist. 2001:569:5427:1400:6975:E30B:FFBF:2BB4 (talk) 00:58, 26 January 2022 (UTC)

Does FaceTime Audio work on Macs purchased in China?

The article mentions that it does not work on iPhones or iPads purchased in China, but it never mentions Macs. Does FaceTime Audio work on Macs purchased in China? Félix An (talk) 10:52, 23 May 2023 (UTC)