Talk:Garuda Indonesia

+ Image Copyright

I've found an image of the Fukuoka accident from 1997 on AirDisaster.com, but the photographer is described as unknown. Do you think it is possible to use this image here without infringing Wikipedia fair use terms?

+ To-do List:

Using Ryanair as a guideline for an FA-quality airline article, add information about structure of management etc.

Also, would be useful if somebody would begin an article about GA flight 152 that killed over 230 people in 1997. Sometimes struggle to believe some of the things that aren't on this website! Is the most deadly airline incident in Indonesian history.

Struggling to find information about previously-operated aircraft types - anybody know where I could find this?

Using information from here, can anybody make a graph showing the fluctuation in passenger numbers since 1991? A scale between 4m and 10m would be perfect. It would also nicely illustrate the downturn in fortunes in the last 1990s. {Apex204 14:36, 17 November 2006 (UTC)}

+ History section - This must be a joke. Appears to contradict itself about flights to Amsterdam and needs a total re-write. Information about in-flight meals, punctuality and future expansion are POV at worst and speculation at best. Apex204 17:50, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

Sorry, forgot to mention what I did in my edit. Split up destinations and classes of travel, mentioned recent restructuring and profits, fixed some spelling errors. Thanks.Pattercakes 13:17, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

What's going on with this photograph of the Garuda and SIA planes that hasn't appeared? It doesn't even seem to exist. Pattercakes 13:21, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

WikiProject class rating

This article was automatically assessed because at least one WikiProject had rated the article as start, and the rating on other projects was brought up to start class. BetacommandBot 15:28, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

Good And Reliable Under Direct Administration.

Dear All, As an Indonesian, I don't like Wikipedia put the acronim GARUDA=Good And Reliable Under Dutch Administration. Do you know how much Indonesian suffers from Dutch for 350 years under Dutch Administration? And how the Dutch ran away saved themselves long before the Japs troops landed in Java in 1942?

Wikipedia is the most Reliable source on the Net, so please be careful when you use the acromim regarding a proud country who gain her freedom with blood and tears. I don't think any Europian will be happy when someone said: Europian was good and reliable under Nazi.

Thanks.

Sam.--203.88.89.146 02:22, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

I think it is more of a comment on Garuda, rather than Indonesia as a whole under the Dutch. Furthermore, it's clearly said tongue in cheek. Although, it's probably an irrelevancy for an encyclopedia. --Merbabu 12:28, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

Article on Garuda...

This recent article on Garuda's troubles and possible improvement is good info for this page. please use. --Merbabu 12:28, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

Travel classes

Judging by my research, Garuda doesn't operate aircraft with a first class cabin. Can anyone confirm this (or prove that they do have first?) The fleet page doesn't mention first class at all. --Besancon (talk) 01:14, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

Yes I can confirm this they only have business class and economy. User:Scoreed —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.206.116.246 (talk) 00:36, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

Boeing 787 order of GIA

Looking at Garuda Indonesia's Boeing 787 (on order) fleet, I loooked at a few aviation magazines and saw that the 787 Dreamliner would be delayed for.....I don't know, 1-2-3 years maybe? And Garuda Indonesia has got this impact on the new jetliner, as well on other ordered planes, such as the Boeing 737-800 and the Boeing 777-300ER (Replacement for Boeing 747-400 and Airbus A330-300). They would get delays as well. If they do get a delay, please change the year of first delivery. Thanks. --7472u3 19:47, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

Garuda's aircraft data

Can anyone advise me why there is a great discrepancy in the wikipedia data regarding the number of Garuda aircraft fleet with the data from the official Garuda website (www.garuda-indonesia.com). In the wikipedia, it is written Garuda currently has 60 fleet, however in their website it said only have 49 fleet. I know the data in the Garuda website may not be the latest data as they seems never update the aircraft fleet, however please explain where the 60 fleet data come from. Thanks --Hkurniawan 23:32, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

Well, it comes from some sites that provide updates on airline fleets, including updates about orders, such as the Boeing 787-8 contract which is yet to be confirmed. Rumors say that the Dreamliner will not arrive until at the latest by 2014. Meanwhile, the Boeing 777-300ER is set to arrive by 2010, and some sources might say it will replace the airline's aging Boeing 747-4U3s (and one 747-441, PK-GSI). The great discrepancy between Wikipedia's data of Garuda's fleet and the data from the airline's website itself, is caused by the lack of attention of the Garuda Indonesia administration about it. The magazine also states that they have a number of 60 aircraft in the fleet. Still, we await for Garuda Indonesia's confirmation of the fleet on the website. We hope that the airline's administration will confrim this sooner or later. _{Boeing7107isdelicious|SPRiCh miT meineN PiloteN} 13:26, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

Neutrality

This article reads like a PR-campaign. It contains speculation of future history along with excessive information about food on bord, newspapers, ticketing, the frequent flyer program, etc. See WP:What Wikipedia is not and WP:Neutral point of view. Best regards, --R.Schuster (talk) 13:53, 26 December 2009 (UTC)

Why did you only find this Garuda Indonesia article as a PR-campaign? I found other airlines articles such as Malaysian Airlines, Thai Airways, Singapore Airlines, Philippine Airlines all were quite the same as this one, all mentioning their facility, service, and frequent flyer program (Gunkarta (talk) 18:30, 1 March 2010 (UTC)).

Yeah I agree with R.Schuster, it's written almost like an advertisement from Garuda's PR department or some Garuda fans to me. The fact that other airlines page are written in the same manner does not justify anything, imho. Could someone please do something (edit/rewrite) about it. 125.164.109.172 (talk) 12:57, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

I have read the article many times but did not really find it too excessive. I think the article is telling the facts on many improvements and new program that Garuda just recently implements. It is quite balance information in my opinion. If there are accidents record in the article, I think it is fair to tell improvements as long as it is based on fact, which I think this article already fulfilled, therefore it does not sound like a PR-campaign to me(Hkurniawan (talk) 16:58, 12 April 2010 (UTC)).

I still see the article as neutral and cover both aspects: good or bad about Garuda Indonesia. The article aslo fairly describe the cutback and poor performance of Garuda after the financial crisis in late 90's. Also fairly mentioned some records about the accident, incident and hijack in Garuda flights. This article even less sounds promotional compared to the articles: Malaysian Airlines, Thai Airways, and Singapore Airlines. It is a fact that Garuda is getting better and on the right track in late 2000s. So I lifting the neutrality issues. (Gunkarta (talk) 14:44, 6 May 2010 (UTC)).

I've had a go at removing some of the most advertising-like wording. Nick-D (talk) 10:36, 19 March 2011 (UTC)

I have read the History 2009-Present: Rebirth section after Nick-D edit, I think the neutrality is OK and some plans are on the track and even better to achieve, but new update still need along the time due to Indonesia passengers growth is more than 15 percent a year and some airlines will follow Garuda Indonesia to make Full Service Flight, so Garuda Indonesia will not alone anymore in this business.Gsarwa (talk) 06:21, 27 April 2012 (UTC)

Dead Link(s)

can someone replace the dead link(s) with new one...? that's all this article is good... maybe can take GA if keep improved. --Ald™ ¬_¬™ 04:40, 27 April 2011 (UTC)

Grammar, tenses, contemporaneous

There are multiple problems with the whole page, but particularly with the history paragraphs. The main issue are: grammar (some basic errors - I've corrected a few); wrong tenses (I've corrected a few); contemporaneous references that are quickly rendered out-of-date by subsequent entries, but not corrected or erased.

The whole page needs someone (with greater interest and knowledge of the subject than me) to commit time to a re-write from top to bottom.--621PWC (talk) 12:22, 4 July 2011 (UTC)

No, don't be so modest! We all elect you to do the work. Wikipedia is about seeing a need and then stepping in to lend a hand -- not sitting on the sidelines whining.

Protection

I have semi-protected the article for a while due to the ongoing dispute on fleet numbers. If changes are required then can editors please gain consensus first, thanks. MilborneOne (talk) 17:04, 21 July 2012 (UTC)

Garuda Indonesia is retiring the 747

Thanks for protecting the article, as there are too many faulty edits in there. By the way, Garuda Indonesia is withdrawing the 747s so make sure you add that in the 747 notes section. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.89.35.142 (talk) 03:01, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

Could you provide a source? Thanks, Compdude¹²³ 05:45, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

Here is a source [1]. It mentions 747 retirement.72.89.35.142 (talk) 00:12, 4 August 2012 (UTC)

To Many Images

Does anyone else think there is an excessive amount of images on this article? surely we dont need this many. --JetBlast (talk) 09:53, 1 September 2012 (UTC)

I agree with you. Lumialover2 (talk) 10:52, 16 September 2012 (UTC)

Opinions regarding what needs work.

If it's all right, I (and probably others as well) would be very grateful if someone can spare some time to reread sections (or even the whole thing) and provide feedbacks on what looks good and what needs more work. I personally have some thought of my own (like reworking the overview, some parts of the history) but am not quite so sure on how to approach them. Appreciate it!

Thanks! Regards, Vandreadstriker (talk) 13:38, 1 April 2013 (UTC)

P.S. I know its April 1st but just to clear it up, this is a real request. Cheers! Vandreadstriker (talk) 13:41, 1 April 2013 (UTC)

You should make the bold move of doing the work yourself. None of us have the time or interest to take on projects assigned by you.

Southeast Asian Games

The piece states that, "Garuda Indonesia is currently an official sponsor of 2011 SEA Games..." which concluded years ago. Why do those games need continued sponsorship? What remains to be paid for and why is the airline still forking over money to pay for it? This suggests an entire section is needed to explain why the administration of the airline decided to continue directing financial support to a long-ended sporting event and, even more importantly, how the administration managed to get this past the board of directors. Jakarta hosted the 1979 and 1997 Southeast Asian Games as well -- why aren't those two events being supported by the airline? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.183.249.50 (talk) 00:34, 9 May 2013 (UTC)

Images of Current Fleet & Cabin

I understand that the article has plenty of pictures already, but I personally think it wouldn't hurt to add images of each aircraft type in the Fleet section. Some visual reference of what aircraft types Garuda currently operates.

Also, I don't think a single image for each cabin class as a visual reference would hurt as well. Of course there's no need to display each and every cabin of each aircraft type, just the flagship product (so in this case, a single image for each of Garuda's 777 First, Business and Economy cabin, placed under the relevant headings)

What do you guys think?

Regards, Vandreadstriker (talk) 15:48, 23 July 2013 (UTC)

They used to have cabin class photots but they where found to be copyright violations and where deleted. We don't need one picture for every aircraft type. Its not a spotters page or anything. We need to consider those users who have a slow internet connection who have to load all these images. Can be a real pain in the neck. --JetBlast (talk) 22:34, 23 July 2013 (UTC)

• Once again, this article is suffering from image overload, so I have had to remove a lot of the images. Image overload is a condition that happens when the whole right (or left) side of the page is lined with images, and/or when sandwiching occurs; that is, when there's an image on the left side of the page at the same spot that there is an image on the right side. Image overload makes articles look less encyclopedic; we're striving for an encyclopedia here, not an image gallery that happens to have a bit of text.

Please don't add images to the article just for the sake of adding images; they need to be of good quality (pics of aircraft in flight are preferred over those on the ground) and they need to be relevant to the surrounding text. Please also consider if certain images can be combined into a gallery or with the {{multiple image}} template (although this is used several times in the article already). Thanks, Compdude¹²³ 02:12, 26 March 2014 (UTC)

Should the "EXPLORE" brand be treated as the same or separate airline?

The question is pretty much self explanatory. I vote for it to be treated as the same. I've flown on one and can feel no difference with mainline Garuda; unlike those you'd experience from flying Peach with ANA, or SilkAir with SIA. They indeed have different "brandings" with "EXPLORE" attempting to take a more 'casual' vibe but there's no difference in service and they're after all managed by the same set of people (eg. unlik SilkAir and Singapore Airlines who have 2 different CEOs, etc). Maybe when they get bigger and start to drift in different paths with mainline GA, but as of now I vote for it to be treated as the same entity. Also, it is not registered as a different airline (eg. There is no "PT. Garuda Indonesia Explore Tbk", just "PT. Garuda Indonesia Tbk". PT is the equivalent of Ltd. in the UK)--Vandreadstriker (talk) 15:05, 17 December 2013 (UTC)

Does it have a seperate Air Operators Certificate? if not it is just a brand. MilborneOne (talk) 18:45, 17 December 2013 (UTC)

No it doesn't have a seperate AOC. So it should be treated as one with mainline GA, yes? Vandreadstriker (talk) 09:21, 19 December 2013 (UTC)

Yes. MilborneOne (talk) 12:34, 19 December 2013 (UTC)

lede

Just wanting to get some consensus about whether or not this sentence should be in the lede:

In 2004 Garuda executives and a pilot were involved in an in-flight murder of a human rights activist.

References

I think this an unusual situation for an airline to be in so is noteworthy enough to be in introduction; and is more important than the information in the third paragraph. Haminoon (talk) 04:35, 25 March 2014 (UTC)

Oppose. Per WP:Notability and WP:Redundancy. Bits of details about incidents or accidents should not made it to (re-mentioned) in the lede of airlines' article, no matter how "spectacular" or "unusual" it might seems. It has sufficiently mentioned in incidents and accidents section or in a separate specific article about the event. Munir death on the flight only killed one person, and the suspects responsible for his death already punished and sentenced to prison, case closed. Others might argue other incidents or accidents that claimed larger numbers of victims are more noteworthy than this particular incident. We do not see any reports of September 11 attacks mentioned in the lede of American Airlines and United Airlines lede, nor recently the missing of flight MH370 in the lede of Malaysian Airlines. I think both are far more notable compared to the death of one person on board. If we allowed this kind of practice on mentioning incidents and accidents in lede, the lede of airlines articles will overflowed with information of flight disasters. I wonder what is your true motivation on mentioning this particular Munir incident in the lede, other than suspectedly to smearing shame and humiliating the airlines. Gunkarta  talk  05:36, 25 March 2014 (UTC)

Unlike the other cases you mention, this incident was deliberately caused by Garuda executives and a pilot - I don't know of any similar incidents by a major airline. Thankyou for removing some of the minor sponsorship information from the lede, but we still have the Liverpool FC mentioned in the lede, which makes the article seem like promotional puffery. Have you actually read WP:Redundancy that you pointed to above? Haminoon (talk) 07:18, 25 March 2014 (UTC)

Still mentioning every bits of incidents and accident in lede is uncommon practice on writing airlines articles. No matter how fascinating you might think it is. I could not find any other airline articles that put this kinds of details in lede. If we let the inclusion as you like, before you know it, the lede of airlines article will overflow with kaleidoscope of incidents, just for the sake to entertain your fascination on possible espionage-style assasination. By insisting the inclusion of this particular incident in lede, it seems to imply that people that work for Garuda are murderer and Garuda as a company murdered its passenger, which is not true and not that simple. We should avoid this misleading and oversimplifying on presenting the facts, since this is a separate particular incident, a crime with load of conspiracy theory. We already have a detailed specific article Munir Said Thalib dedicated for this issue. I suggests we keep this part in incidents and accidents section and leave the Garuda Indonesia lede alone. Gunkarta  talk  11:00, 25 March 2014 (UTC)

I don't think this should be be in the lead either. It doesn't seem notable as other aviation incidents; I for one had not heard about this until now. As has been said already, I don't think we generally mention accidents in the lead; it seems to give undue weight to that particular event and implies a significant amount of notability. That event is not significant enough to go in the lead. —Compdude¹²³ 01:00, 26 March 2014 (UTC)

Yes, definitely. Garuda enjoys all-the-way protection from the corrupt government of Indonesia, which means that several of its captains have gotten away with murder.137.205.183.109 (talk) 11:23, 14 December 2015 (UTC)

Do Garuda codeshare flights with so many airlines?

I noticed that in the 'Codeshare agreements and alliances' section, there are many airlines that "Codeshare" with Garuda. But it seems that some airlines does not really codeshare with GA. This means that this section is heavily vandalised. Pinas Central (talk) 12:59, 6 August 2014 (UTC)

Garuda Indonesia has already made Codeshare agreements and alliances with several airlines, but certainly not for all the routes and many of them still use their own logo carrier without paint the tail with both two logo carriers.Gsarwa (talk) 14:18, 18 June 2015 (UTC)

Garuda Indonesia-Philippine Airlines merge article

Hello guys! Seems that some editors who are fond of Pokemon and aviation wants the articles of Garuda Indonesia and Philippine Airlines to be merged, by vandalising PAL's article. Any plans how to prevent these? PinasCentral (talk) 12:34, 3 September 2014 (UTC)

I can protect the articles if they continue, do we know if it is just one user who is pushing what appears to be a hoax and related to creating the Garuda Indonesia Philippines article or a group of editors ? Certainly I can protect both articles from IP edits if they carry on but it does also stop other IPs who do add good content. MilborneOne (talk) 19:39, 3 September 2014 (UTC)

Lede again

A year ago a large part of the lede was deleted because some editors objected to the following sentence being in the lede:

In 2004 Garuda executives and a pilot were involved in an in-flight murder of a human rights activist.

We now have more material being added that is less notable than this unprcedented murder. They are:

After a series of financial and operational difficulties in the late 1990s and early 2000s, the airline undertook a five year modernization plan in 2009 known as the Quantum Leap, which brought with it a new livery, logo, uniforms and brand, as well as newer, more modern aircraft and facilities and a renewed focus on international markets.

and

On 11 December 2014, Garuda was announced as a 5-star airline by Skytrax.

To stop it turning into an edit war I'll bring it up here. Currently the lede appears to look more like promotional material than a neutral encyclopedia article. Would it be preferable to return the brief murder sentence, or to remove the material relating to the quantum leap and Skytrax? -- haminoon (talk) 09:36, 13 March 2015 (UTC)

Just to note that Skytrax results has been removed before from airline articles after a discussions at the airline project that they are not notable and not neutral if I remember correctly. MilborneOne (talk) 19:15, 13 March 2015 (UTC)

Paris Airshow 2015

Garuda hasn't placed any actual orders, they have just expressed their intention to place orders at a later time; see the official press releases: Airbus http://www.airbus.com/presscentre/pressreleases/press-release-detail/detail/garuda-indonesia-signs-loi-for-30-a350-xwb/ (Letter of Intent) and Boeing http://boeing.mediaroom.com/2015-06-15-Boeing-Garuda-Indonesia-Announce-the-Airlines-Intent-to-Purchase-30-787-9s-and-up-to-30-737-MAX-8s (Intent to Purchase). Since there are no orders yet, nothing can be added to the articles Fleet table without making it factually incorrect. I think it's best to cover these Intentions (as already done) in the text part of the fleet section and wait for the placement of actual orders before adding anything to the table. SideshowBob7 (talk) 10:58, 18 June 2015 (UTC)

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background of the name "Garuda"

The name "Garuda" was derived from a Dutch poem written by a renowned Javanese scholar and poet Raden Mas Noto Soeroto; "Ik ben Garuda, Vishnoe's vogel, die zijn vleugels uitslaat hoog boven uw eilanden", which means "I'm Garuda, Vishnu's Bird, that spreads its wings high above the Islands". In Hindu tradition, Garuda is the name of Lord Vishnu's mount (vahana). The line was mentioned by Sukarno during the Dutch–Indonesian Round Table Conference at The Hague, from 23 August to 2 November 1949.

Is there any source for the claim that the name Garuda was actually derived from the poem... rather than the poem just being used to introduce a name, which had been derived simply from the Garuda (which would be much more likely)? --Ibn Battuta (talk) 20:54, 4 April 2019 (UTC)

I have now changed the text, deleting the claim and wording it neutrally. --Ibn Battuta (talk) 17:11, 9 April 2019 (UTC)

Request to insert additional note for 737 MAX orders?

I will request that can I add a new sentence "In other words, it became the first airline to cancel its 737 MAX orders for that reason." in the fleet section in the last paragraph, which I heard before that this airline was the first airline to cancel its aircraft order following both crashes involved from Lion Air Flight 610 and Ethiopian Airlines Flight 302? It was said from this news source from CNBC that "The Indonesian airline is the first to publicly confirm plans to cancel an order for the Boeing jets after two fatal crashes involving the 737 Max 8 (Lee 2)." Can I also insert back an old note in the current fleet section for the Boeing 737 MAX 8 aircraft saying that an "Original order for 50 aircraft; remaining order of 49 have been cancelled following the worldwide Boeing 737 MAX groundings."? And lastly, is it necessary to include these kind of notes since all the Boeing 737 MAX aircraft have been grounded worldwide and this airline just cancelled those aircraft orders? It could be a little encyclopedic to this airline article as a secondary reason. --Allen ^{(talk / ctrb)} 23:49, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

I see mainly two issues with it: The phrase 'In other words' and the correctness. I would suggest to verify with another source whether Garuda Indonesia actually is the first airline that cancelled their orders due to MCAS design flaw. Furthermore, would rephrase that sentence. 'In other words', it's something I would use to explain something in simplified way/sum it up. Doesn't really fit here I think. NJD-DE (talk) 18:09, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 20 September 2023

on February 2023 = in February 2023 2603:8000:D300:3650:4C1D:B062:2D04:9F66 (talk) 12:41, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

 Not done not an improvement. Lightoil (talk) 14:41, 20 September 2023 (UTC)