Talk:Ideology

Louis Althusser

I really think we need to add something on Louis Althusser's notions of ideology and ideological right now, so I've added the wiki page about his work to the See Also section for now. --Voyager640 2:40, 3 Nov 2003 (PST)

Structure of Article

Didnt really looked this pg before, but unwittingly I did something in the direction of Voyager's suggestion, adding the section 3: I~ as an instrument of soc repr'n (which has plenty of room for expanding).

But there is a structural problem with the previous material: Section 2 and sub- 2.1 are really at the same level and should come under a same heading at Section level. Something like (this just an exampple):

 2  Many kinds of (Philosophical?) ideologies
   2.1  Epistemological I~
   2.2  Political I~
   ...  (any number of other I~)

Can he or she who did that section (or anyone else akin in thought) find a name for that Section 2 ? Deák 18:38, 2004 Aug 4 (UTC)

Structure of entry

There is a structural problem with material of Section 2: Section 2 itself and sub- 2.1 are really at the same level and should come under a same heading at Section level. Something like (this just an exampple):

 2  Many kinds of (Philosophical?) ideologies
   2.1  Epistemological I~
   2.2  Political I~
   ...  (any number of other I~)

Can he or she who did that section (or anyone else akin in thought; or anyone) find a name for that Section 2 ? -- Deák 22:19, 2004 Aug 10 (UTC)

Groupthink

The much smaller scale concept of groupthink also owes something to his [Antonio Gramsci's] work.

could someone provide a source for this? Hanshans23

POV of Section 1

The Marxist and critical-theory accounts of the proposition of ideology are certainly pertinent points of discussion, but seems inappropriate for the general overview supplied at the head of the article. A preferable place for said points would be under the "Marxist view" subsection of "Analysis", which would work to preserve the neutrality of the article as a whole.

The issue of neutrality is extremely important, but it is the same neutrality that is dispersing others. (Needed overview)

Political "tendencies" imply ideology

I've added an "Explain" tag after the sentence that reads,

In societies that distinguish between public and private life, every political or economic tendency entails ideology, whether or not it is propounded as an explicit system of thought.

This claim needs either a citation or some elaboration. It is not clear what the author means by "political tendencies entail (logically imply) ideology".

Tracy's Institutional (continued)

[Napoleon] often hurled against his liberal foes in Tracy's Institutional[clarification needed].

This obscure sentence probably refers to the newly created Institut National (now Institut de France), of which Tracy was a founding associate, specifically in the in the class of the moral and political sciences.

Hopefully a native writer will sometime wikify this paragraph. Noliscient (talk) 13:45, 13 November 2023 (UTC)

"Ideological neutrality of the state" listed at Redirects for discussion

The redirect Ideological neutrality of the state has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Readers of this page are welcome to comment on this redirect at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 July 24 § Ideological neutrality of the state until a consensus is reached. Steel1943 (talk) 20:05, 24 July 2024 (UTC)

Ideology is a system of beliefs, not merely a set of beliefs.

Not an trivial difference. 69.218.217.180 (talk) 01:50, 1 August 2024 (UTC)

New definition

Some may not understand the new definition given it's overly comprehensive and broad nature I'll explain or discuss why it makes sense or is the true definition Wikicmon (talk) 15:45, 6 August 2024 (UTC)

Do you have any sources for your definition? You cannot remove and change content without a justification. StephenMacky1 (talk) 16:05, 6 August 2024 (UTC)

so what exactly you seek:

justification or source? 2409:40F4:38:81E:8000:0:0:0 (talk) 16:33, 6 August 2024 (UTC)

Both. If you have an account, you should log in. StephenMacky1 (talk) 16:43, 6 August 2024 (UTC)