Talk:Islam in Canada

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Silly question, but the site says: "Greater Montreal's Muslim community neared 100,000 in 2001" and just below that, lists the Muslim community in all of Quebec at 57,200... for those to both be accurate, the small number would have to be earlier in the year than the other number, and then there needs to have been 10's of thousands of Muslim immigrants into Montreal that year... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.226.20.40 (talk) 03:04, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

Ali Sina

He deserves to be included in this article. He is an Iranian Canadian author of a book called Understanding Muhammad: A Psychobiography of Allah's Prophet, and a world-reknowned ex-muslim, especially noted for founding the popular website http://FaithFreedom.org where his many articles critical of Islam have been published, alongside articles by other authors. More information about him is available at the wikiarticle about his website faithfreedom.org. People say Ali Sina is not a notable personality, but that is false. He has been featured in an article on http://worldnetdaily.com and a chapter in one of Ibn Warraq's books was written by him. There are other reasons to consider him notable, but I do not need to rehash every piece of evidence here. The fact is that he is at least as notable as a professor at a local university, which I understand is the measuring rod for comparison as to whether to include a person in a biographical article here at Wikipedia or not. Not only does Ali Sina deserve to be mentioned in this article on Islam in Canada, he deserves his own article on Wikipedia PERIOD.

His article seems to have been deleted on Wikipedia because he was not notable. See the deletion thing here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2006_December_5

That was half a year ago and was not concluded with consensus. There had been earlier attempts to discount Ali Sina's notability and they failed. There seems to be some arbitrariness about such decision making. The December decision led to what appears to me to be a compromise, posting an article about the website Ali Sina founded. Since then Ali Sina's profile has risen with the publication of his book that just came out the beginning of this month. Whether he is notable or not is a matter of opinion, and I do not accept the opinion that Ali Sina is not notable. (My apologies for not including four tylds at the end of my previous statement, above. I have remembered to add them this time. I look forward to your reply and please include the four tylds (~) at the end of your posting which will time/date/ID stamp your commentary.) 74.103.60.55 17:54, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

Regarding (cur) (last) 19:53, 14 June 2007 Itaqallah (Talk | contribs) (6,567 bytes) (rm tendentious advertising by anon Sina-fan), what is the problem? Itqallah, do you think I am advertising Ali Sina's book? Do you think I am soliciting donations to his website? I am not intentionally doing either. My goal is to include Ali Sina, Canadian anti-Islamist in this article in order to ensure that the article does not present the false POV that there is no resistance to the spread of Islam in Canada. It exists, whether you like it or not Itaqallah. I look forward to your reply. In the meantime, I will treat your removal of the reference to Ali Sina as invalid and put back what you took out (except the description of Sina's book, as a token good will gesture). 74.103.60.55 20:24, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

please provide a reliable source showing Ali Sina's relevance to the topic of "Islam in Canada." (i.e. that he is notable to the topic). that he claims he is a Canadian (or even is one) isn't enough to verify that he's actually related to the topic of Islam in Canada. ITAQALLAH 20:51, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

Itaqallah, can you provide a RS for supporting all the other 50 names on this page? Ali Sina is in Canada and is related to Islam and Canada and there is no requirement of a "RS" that proves that link. Otherwise lets apply the same policies to everyone else including Bilal Phillips. Lets be consistent in applying policies. --Matt57 ^{(talk•contribs)} 22:17, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

yes, we can be consistent and remove the whole list of people, as many of them have nothing to do with Islam in Canada. ITAQALLAH 10:31, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

so let me get this straight, someone logs into wikipedia in order to see islam in canada to find out where to find a mosque or to ssee how many muslims are in canada and where they are situated and instead he is presented with islamaphobic propoganda. it is very obvious the only people who would suggest publicising such a book are people who wish to push propoganda against Islam in order to promote their own views. If you really like this book, make your own website, wikipedia is a not a place for promoting your political views, its an online encyclpedia —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.178.67.214 (talk) 11:29, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

Rewording

This sentence "the two largest Muslim communities in the Vancouver were Middle Eastern (>50,000) and Iranian (>30,000)" needs rewording. Iran is a Middle-Eastern country. Either it should be stated communities were Arabs and Iranians.. or something like that. The sentence right now is sorta flawed. Its like saying 70,000 Europeans and 10,000 French. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.228.125.210 (talk) 14:12, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

"Assuming that most immigrants from the Middle East and Iran are Muslims, the two largest Muslim communities in Vancouver were Middle Eastern (>50,000) and Iranian (>30,000).[6]" What are we doing assuming? This is supposed to be an encyclopedia, not a mass of assumptions. How do we know that there aren't statistically significant Middle Eastern and Iranian immigrants who are NOT Muslim? Given the persecution of these other religious groups, it's certainly a valid hypothesis. Regardless, we shouldn't be making assumptions or testing hypotheses or conducting research here on Wikipedia. We should just be posting the facts. I'm removing this line. Umm huraira (talk) 00:11, 25 September 2011 (UTC)

Why was my image removed?

This image is not used to illistrate a particular event in history. This image merely shows that some Canadian muslims are rallying in support of a terrorist organisation. The image is genuine, or else it wouldn't be on wikipedia.Keverich1 (talk) 19:56, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

In case you didn't understand the reference was there to prove that Hezbolla is a terrorist organisation according to Canadian government. It didn't mean to imply that the rally took place in late August.Keverich1 (talk) 20:02, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

The image and it's inclusion imply that 1) hezbollah is a terrorist organisation, there's a WP:TERRORIST policy against that, and that 2) most muslims share the view of the protestors. That's of course an exceptional claim, there's many muslims that dont support the actions of Hezbollah, also in Canada. Grey Fox (talk) 15:39, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

people like to use wikipedia as a newspaper to promote their views because they want everyone else to share their hatred. why dont you try enjoying life rather than sitting their reading islamaphobic websites and trying to wage a propoganda war against Islam. Have you ever considered that maybe muslims are normal decent people who want to get on with their lives in peace for the vast majority of people —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.178.67.214 (talk) 11:32, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

If Canada see's hezbollah as a terrorist organization, wouldn't that give credit to the photograph? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.115.252.239 (talk) 18:16, 29 July 2011 (UTC)

Scarf discussion ?

Is there a scarf discussion in Canada (i.e. similar to that in France) ?

Feedback at [1] would be nice! --Neun-x (talk) 12:28, 14 July 2013 (UTC)

.............. It is not a scarf, if you tried to call it a scarf on wikipedia, it would be edited to hijab or burqa and linked to the appropriate page. Regardless mostly only in Quebec for a month about public sector employees, but they lost the election and the new party scrapped any bans, Unlike Europe most of north america follows a more tolerant or plural secularism — Preceding unsigned comment added by SandeepSinghToor (talk • contribs) 20:57, 9 June 2014 (UTC)

Hello all Unfortunately be hate Christianity? Are you a Christian convert to Islam I love Islam I hate Christianity Thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.215.163.202 (talk) 16:53, 16 July 2014 (UTC)

Changes made by 109.175.58.111

[2], [3], [4], [5] I'm not an expert but according to no. 109.175.58.111 Croat muslims never existed in Canada. [6] [7], [8] proves differently.--203.25.149.10 (talk) 02:51, 5 February 2015 (UTC)

List of Canadian Muslims

I want to fork off a new article called "List of Canadian Muslims" and move the list out of this article into that new one.VR _talk 05:58, 2 February 2017 (UTC)

Groups

Currently we have many names of groups. Some of them don't seem notable. Some are now defunct. I think we should take out these organizations and move the rest to See Also. Some really notable stuff (like stuff about the Ahmadiyya) can stay as prose in the article.VR _talk 15:36, 8 April 2017 (UTC)

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What's going on

Why is this article only referencing the Census of 2011? Canada had a new census in 2016. There has been enough time to compile and publish statistics by now. I want to know the number of Muslims living in Canada today, September, 2017. All I can find are references to the 2011 census. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:306:33b8:1a60:1946:35ae:fc62:28fb (talk)

@2602:306:33b8:1a60:1946:35ae:fc62:28fb The census data for 2016 did not include religion. Kamalthebest (talk) 04:16, 28 September 2017 (UTC)

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Homosexuality section

In the article, under "Opinions and Beliefs" the article discusses Muslim sentiments about their identity as Canadians and then swiftly tangents to discussing the opinions of Muslims on homosexuality. It is never justified why patriotic sentiment and tolerance of homosexuality are considered as in any way constitutive of the question the section should attempt to answer which is "What are the opinions and beliefs of Muslims in Canada?" While these are certainly opinions and beliefs in themselves, the article offers bias by its choiceful representation of data. I recommend it be edited or in some way substantiated. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Funnyfunnyjose (talk • contribs) 23:05, 30 November 2020 (UTC)

Removal of Ahmadiyya Muslims section

This has been repeatedly removed by user:TruthSeeker1966, most recently with the summary "I removed what I believed to be false information based on evidence. More info will be added soon on the many sects of Islam in Canada." What's false about it? And if the issue is simply that there are other sub-denominations that have not yet been added, that does not justify removing this one. It's been in the article for more than six years (I didn't check any further back). Meters (talk) 07:12, 5 March 2022 (UTC)

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