Talk:Kaaba

Age of the current kaaba

The introductory paragraph claims the current structure was built in 683, which is contradicted in the section about its history after Muhammad, which says it has been destroyed and rebuilt multiple times since then. Is this an oversight, or is "the current structure" meant to refer to its general form and not the exact structure we have today? 129.2.192.176 (talk) 17:27, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 22 July 2024

Fix common grammar error. Date should read "AD 683" instead of "683 AD" at end of first paragraph. Dates are formatted either YYYY BC and AD YYYY, or YYYY BCE and YYYY CE. Gamwise (talk) 20:39, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: MOS:AD says "AD appears before or after a year". Left guide (talk) 21:01, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

In any case, it should be "none of the above". Conventionally, we do not use the Christian notation (Anno Domini Jesu Christi) in articles about Islam or Judaism. See MOS:ERA. --𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 23:54, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

Another issue is that the entire article features an inconsistent date format, some places use AD while others use CE. According to MOS:BCE, the date format must be consistent throughout the article. Xoocit (talk) 11:02, 23 July 2024 (UTC)

Well no, not really. Mostly it uses CE for dates before or shortly after the Hijra, then AH dates thereafter (with the CE equivalent for reader convenience, same as we do with weights and measures). I found two further instances of AD notation, which I have brought into conformance. --𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 15:58, 23 July 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 7 September 2024

To whom it may concern,

Under the history section of the page on the Kaaba, there exists a media file annotated "Miniature from 1307 CE depicting Muhammad fixing the black stone into the Kaaba".

This illustration, depicting the prophet Muhammad may be viewed as offensive to many users. It would be ideal to either mark out the face of the figure, or replace the image with something else of relevance.

Thank you for your time in reading this request.

Good day. 154.198.88.224 (talk) 08:51, 7 September 2024 (UTC)

 Not done Please see Talk:Muhammad/FAQ for the reason why your request will not be accepted. It also contains advice on how you may stop images being shown to you. --𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 09:21, 7 September 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 17 September 2024

In this sentence:

Islamic sanctities received great attention from the Circassian sultans during the period in which they ruled the Islamic world (1382–1517 CE), with the Kaaba receiving significant attention.

please remove the CE. It's obvious from the context: if this were BCE, it would be 1517-1382, not the other way around, and since Muhammad was born in the sixth century CE, there weren't any Islamic sanctities in 1382 BCE because Islam didn't exist yet. WP:ERA says "In general, omit CE or AD, except to avoid ambiguity or awkwardness", so CE should be omitted. 123.51.107.94 (talk) 01:36, 17 September 2024 (UTC)

 Not done In most cases your analysis would be correct but in this article, CE is being distinguished from AH, not from AD. --𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 10:59, 17 September 2024 (UTC)

But according to Hijri year, the current AH year is 1445 or 1446. If you don't generally use AH, you'll assume that this means AD unless it says otherwise. If you do generally use it, you'll know that 1382 was just a few decades ago (when there weren't sultans ruling the Islamic world) and 1517 is in the future. 123.51.107.94 (talk) 01:46, 18 September 2024 (UTC)

I can see the logic of that argument and in general we try to avoid attaching an era notation when no ambiguity arises (to avoid nonsense like "2024 AD"). But in this case I believe that the correct way to resolve it is to give the date in both notations, hence "during the period in which they ruled the Islamic world (784–924 AH, 1382–1517 CE)", which I have now done. Of course another editor may agree with you and disagree with me: if so I will concede the point. --𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 13:41, 18 September 2024 (UTC)