Talk:List of Sindhi people/Archive 1

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This article has people from Muhajir and Seraiki backgrounds; I think the main focus should only be on Sindhi people as the title suggests. The Muhajirs and Seraikis can have a seperate list. If they are kept in this list, then the article's title should be something appropriate such as "List of people from Sindh" as the former and latter are not "Sindhis" but from Sindh. Mar4d (talk) 02:10, 24 June 2010 (UTC)

Indeed, the article has nothing to do with ethnicity but is a collection of people who just live or lived in de Sindh province. So I have been bold and moved the article to "List of people living in the Sindh province". The Banner talk 08:30, 13 July 2018 (UTC)

Comment Hi, current title is the most suitable, no need to move it. Thanks JogiAsad (talk) 13:31, 6 June 2020 (UTC)

Justification of title

This list is of notable people of Sidnhi ethnicity who have origins in Sindh Province who are living either in province currently or are in diaspora so the title "List of Sindhi people" is justified. This is to resolve move conflict with User:The Banner moving the page to "List of people living in the Sindh province" when half the name are of Sindhi ethnicity in diaspora and medieval people who are not living but lived centuries ago. JayB91 (talk) 18:07, 13 July 2018 (UTC)

See my edit above that you blatantly ignored. The Banner talk 18:23, 13 July 2018 (UTC)

Indeed, the article has nothing to do with ethnicity but is a collection of people who just live or lived in de Sindh province. So I have been bold and moved the article to "List of people living in the Sindh province". The Banner talk 08:30, 13 July 2018 (UTC)

Comment: This move is not justified, List of Sindhi people is the list of people who lives in Sindh and of those Sindhi diaspora all around the world.JogiAsad (talk) 13:56, 6 June 2020 (UTC)

Copied from above to make sure JayB91 sees my rationale and why his moves make no sense at all. The Banner talk 18:25, 13 July 2018 (UTC)

Who told you the article is not about ethnicity? The above concern from the user was that the non-Sindhi people should be removed from list so the list is about Sindhi people by ethnicity only (like List of Punjabi people), instead you went on shifted the entire page bluntly to geographical perspective page. See the categories (Category:Lists of people by ethnicity), the page was created to be ethnicity related not geographical related. Yes; there should be page of notable people from Sindh province but one needs to create complete different page for it instead of merging the page and causing confusion in general. I can spot countless names (Niranjan Hiranandani, Romesh Wadhwani, Sunil Vaswani, Sonu Shivdasani and much more) who are Sindhis ethnically currently not living in the province. One example I can give you is List of Albanians which is similarly aiming towards ethnic related list and then there is List of people from Durrës is non-ethnic list of people living or have lived in Durrës, Albania who may or may non be ethnic Albanians. Here similarly you are merging the two and causing confusion. Either create a complete different page or not but this is an ethnic related list where some names of non-Sindhis have been wrongly added that was User:Mar4d's concern and hence needs to be rectified instead of moving the page. JayB91 (talk) 20:20, 13 July 2018 (UTC)

Great, then I assume you can provide a source of some kind to proof the ethnicity of each and every person in this list? The Banner talk 20:33, 13 July 2018 (UTC)

I will repeat again this page is ethnic related like List of Muhajir people that was concern of above user, Not Geographic-related. Dont change the meaning of the page. As for proof, I assume can you provide proof that each people on the list is currently living in Sindh province? or every million person in the lists (Category:Lists of people by ethnicity) can provide proof as per your concern? JayB91 (talk) 21:17, 13 July 2018 (UTC)

Bad example. Mohajir is a migrant from Bangladesh, so it has nothing to do with ethnicity. True the majority of mohajirs are commonly called "Bengalis" in Pakistan, but that has more to do with their origin, not ethnicity. — kashmīrī ^TALK 21:21, 13 July 2018 (UTC)

Well aren't Muhajir people Indian muslims hailing from Indo-Gangetic plain (not Bangladesh only) who speak Urdu and moved to Pakistan after partition?. As for ethnicity related list say (List of Pashtuns, List of Berber people) are well enough examples. JayB91 (talk) 21:35, 13 July 2018 (UTC)

(edit conflict) It is impossible, because due to this RfC[1] Wikipedia no longer collect information about peoples' ethnicities. Read the discussion there on how controversial the concept of ethnicity is. — kashmīrī ^TALK 21:18, 13 July 2018 (UTC)

In my opinion, there's a clear distinction between ethnic Sindhis and residents of Sindh, which also includes other ethnicities. If this list is for for the former (which I do see evidence of), then there should only be Sindhis listed here, provided they are identified as that which should be easy to verify. Mar4d (talk) 05:47, 14 July 2018 (UTC)

I agree with that, but that needs proof. But as Kashmiri states, the ethnicity is not recorded (at least in infoboxes). The Banner talk 08:42, 14 July 2018 (UTC)

Just my 2 cents, as the article stands today, I view it as an article of people with Sindhi ethnicity. There are some names in the list of people who are Sindhi's but were never born in Sindh, Pakistan. I see there is a proposal below on these lines. Ideally we don't really need a list of people from Sindh or of Sindhi ethnicity since Categories should take care of this and make both these lists redundant. However, there are other precedents here List of Parsis, List of people from Gujarat. List of Punjabi people. Adamgerber80 (talk) 15:52, 17 July 2018 (UTC)

Proposal

As the discussion seems to have petered here, I suggest the following solution:

1. Split the article
2. Create an article that describes only people of Sindhi ethnicity, with proof
3. Create an article that describes notable residents of the Sindh Province

I hope to hear soon! The Banner talk 09:01, 17 July 2018 (UTC)

Comment: This move is not justified, List of Sindhi people is the list of people who lives in Sindh and of those Sindhi diaspora all around the world. Pinging other interested/relevant users for their point of view, @Mukhtiaraliunar, Aziz Kingrani, Faizgul, Sunil M. Motiramani, Arslanali, مھتاب احمد سنڌي, and مومن خان ڏاهري: JogiAsad (talk) 13:56, 6 June 2020 (UTC)

Comments by JogiAsad

We have other similar list articles of ethnicity, and suppose there is no such requirement whether a Punjabi living in Punjab India or Punjab Pakistan or Punjabi diaspora should have a seperate list or suppose "List of Punjabi people" be moved to the List of People living in Punjab region, or List of people living in Punjab, Pakistan, and or List of people living in Punjab, India. If this is not happening with other people/ethinities Wikipedia list articles i.e,List of Tamil people, List of Bengalis then why this is being suggested for "List of Sindhi people"? The people living and having permanent residence in Sindh are also Sindhis no matter what ethinity they have, if they were born in Sindh, then they are Sindhis, and the people who are of Sindhi descendent living either in India or anywhere in the world are also Sindhis known as Sindhi diaspora, they can also be added in this list. and if there is any person who consider themselves not a Sindhi then their article may be listed in somewhere else. JogiAsad (talk) 14:12, 6 June 2020 (UTC)

Agreed with JogiAsad Mukhtiaraliunar (talk) 13:13, 7 June 2020 (UTC)Mukhtiaraliunar

References, please.

Whatever is decided about the criteria for inclusion, a proper reference for the inclusion, and separately for any description of the person's claim to fame, is required. Wayne 00:35, 21 March 2021 (UTC)

Sindhi educational person

the person is Hamza shar Hamza shar (talk) 21:51, 11 March 2023 (UTC)