Talk:Luciano Berio

Electronic?

Is Luciano Berio the creator of electronic music? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.137.116.14 (talk) 12:01, 6 February 2005‎

Yes, see electronic music. Hyacinth 19:22, 6 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Berio isn't mentioned in that article as far as I can see, and is only mentioned in a list at Electronic art music, but his electronic work is briefly touched on in this article. As well as the electronic pieces mentioned here (Visage and Thema), he wrote several others for tape alone, and some pieces for tape and conventional instruments (Laborintus II is probably the best-known example). --Camembert

Yes, that the internal link I meant, thanks. Hyacinth 01:20, 8 Feb 2005 (UTC)

It's highly contentious as to who "created" electronic music, depending on how the term "electronic music" itself is defined, and whether early electronic works are considered "experiments" or "pieces" (and therefore, "music"). Some say Karlheinz Stockhausen's Gesang der Jünglinge is the first piece, but there are also the musique concrete pieces by Pierre Schaeffer and the French. My own sense is that Berio comes into the electronic music scene a little later (Tempo Reale is built after Boulez builds IRCAM), but definitely takes it in a different direction, using some of Umberto Eco's studies into linguistics to influence how he works. There are some excellent books on the subject of early electronic music--I'd recommend Modulations: A history of electronic music, edited by Peter Shapiro.

Berio and Maderna started working on electronic music at the Studio di Fonologia della Rai in 1954. Of course that does not mean that they were the first to do so. But they did compose electronic pieces well before IRCAM or Tempo reale. 145.222.138.134 18:56, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

"Avant Garde Project"

This isn't the only such link from here to that site that's been made/edited- what's our policy about linking to sites that provide torrents? I don't think they're authorized, and I believe it's also possible at least that Italian copyright law is becoming more in line with that of the EU, so perhaps it might be a good idea to revert that edit from this and other pages? Schissel | Sound the Note! 06:14, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

List of Quotations

I'm writing in reference to the partial list of quotations in Berio's Sinfonia and perhaps the whole discussion of the Sinfonia. I think that it should be incorporated in a separate article about the Sinfonia and removed from the Luciano Berio article. It is much too detailed for this article.--Atavi 21:45, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

"Italian Prize"

Is this the same as the Prix Italia? I can find no mention of his name in connection with that prize, though. -- Jack of Oz ... speak! ... 19:17, 27 March 2010 (UTC)

Thema (Omaggio a Joyce) or Gesang der Junglinge

Moved to Talk:Thema (Omaggio a Joyce)

 – Yury Bulka (talk) 22:45, 8 November 2013 (UTC)

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Students

It seems notable that both Richter and Einaudi, and possibly other popular composers, were students of Berio. If someone agrees and knows how to correctly incorporate that, they could add it. I don't have relevant expertise. Brian Hill (talk) 18:08, 24 December 2015 (UTC)

I presume you mean Max Richter, rather than Richter. He is missing from Berio's entry at List of music students by teacher: A to B#B, but Einaudi is found there, as well as Phil Lesh. I'm not clear on how such things are being handled, now that the long lists from many biographical articles have been moved to these separate listings. In some cases, all students have been moved, with only a redirect in the main biography, while in other cases a few of the most prominent names remain in the biography, with a redirect for the longer list. Perhaps some other editors active on this article have got an opinion about what should be done here.—Jerome Kohl (talk) 18:36, 24 December 2015 (UTC)

I think it was User:Hyacinth who set up that list and the supporting templates. It seems rather complicated to me, but may be Hyacinth can comment here and explain how to extend that list. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 19:06, 24 December 2015 (UTC)

Yes, I believe you are right about the list, but it is more to do with what was left behind. Should the present article simply direct readers to the list of students, or should the most prominent ones be named here, with a redirect to the more complete list at LMST? Some articles do it one way, and others the other way. Perhaps there are reasons for this, or perhaps it is just down to the judgement of the editors working on those specific articles. I have no opinion about the present article myself, but would be interested to hear the views of other editors.—Jerome Kohl (talk) 19:58, 24 December 2015 (UTC)

Wow, thanks for jumping on this. Yes, I definitely had Max Richter in mind. I have seen him mention Luciano Berio as his teacher in a couple of places. For example, http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/jan05/articles/ritcher.htm. I hadn't even noticed the extraction of the whole student lineage to its own page. Maybe somebody will just be bold enough to add Max Richter there. I have to imagine he is notable enough to make whatever cut is being applied. Brian Hill (talk) 06:22, 26 December 2015 (UTC)

I should correct the impression that the list of students has been entirely moved to the LMST. There are sixteen names there and nine of them duplicated in the biographical article. I am not sure what criteria have been used to make this distinction, or indeed if any criteria have been applied at all. For example, both Ludovico Einaudi and Bernard Rands are in the List, but are not mentioned in the article which, considering some of the names found in both places, makes it unlikely that degree of notability was taken into consideration.—Jerome Kohl (talk) 00:00, 27 December 2015 (UTC)

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