Talk:Matthew Hill

Why all those links about the radio station?

Is there anything citeable available that connects Hill to the radio station? And do there really have to be all those links about the TN legislature bills? Remember that this article has to stay neutral (WP:NPOV) and follow the guidelines about biographies of living people (WP:BLP), which means being careful to stay evenhanded and accurate. The article links to a couple of anti-Hill blogs, which is fine; people looking for gossip and non-neutral material can visit those blogs easily enough. Could the links section be trimmed somewhat? Phr 11:09, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

>>> Why all those links about the radio station? Phr 11:09, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

I am keeping in mind that this is a Tennessee politican stub, however, the actual physical location of Hill's "Appalachian Radio Group" is of a Tennessee political nature itself as Hill's ARG is located within the Leitner Pharmaceuticals building owned by the widely noted Republican campaign contributor John M. Gregory. ARG is not actually a legal entity itself, but merely a moniker as to how Rep. Hill refers to his operations of the WHCB 91.5 FM radio station et al (a.k.b. 501(c)(3) non-profit Appalachian Educational Communications Corporation) and the for profit WPWT 870 AM radio station.

I did remove two of the ownership links that can be found at the FCC queries.

>>> Is there anything citeable available that connects Hill to the radio station? Phr 11:09, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

The following citation ties up nicely to Rep. Hill, his mangerial roles at WHCB and WPWT, and his 2004 pre-general election statements regarding the "conception" of his 2006 Ten Commandments Bill. The original creator of the Matthew Hill stub listed Hill's Ten Commandment bill; I have only posted here as to properly expand the Matthew Hill Tennessee Politican stub:

Date Published: August 3, 2004

Patton, challengers square off in debate for District 7 House seat http://www.timesnews.net/archives/index3.php?id=9454397

Author: JAMES BROOKS

... Hill said he is operations manager for the Appalachian Radio Group, which includes the Christian station WHCB. He further supports the Ten Commandments on the courthouse wall.

>>> And do there really have to be all those links about the TN legislature bills? Remember that this article has to stay neutral (WP:NPOV) and follow the guidelines about biographies of living people (WP:BLP), which means being careful to stay evenhanded and accurate. Phr 11:09, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

The orignal creator of the 'Matthew Hill' stub failed to include any reference to the actual bill numbers for either the bill pertaining to Hill's proposal for the display of Ten Commandments within Tennessee court houses or Hill's proposal to execute those convicted of child rape in Tennessee.

Hill's submitted Tennessee legislative bills are public records that are produced by the Tennessee General Assembly, thereby being "neutral", "evenhanded", and perhaps most importantly in this case, "accurate". Futhermore, fiscal notes are not always attached to both the house and the senate versions of the same proposed legislation as filed within the Tennessee General Assembly and a Wikivisitor may be interest in viewing one related bill record and not others. In any case, I will trim the legislative bill links down to the bill summary links (cutting out the direct links to both the actual bills and the fiscal notes aas the can be linked from the bill summaries).

>>>The article links to a couple of anti-Hill blogs, which is fine; people looking for gossip and non-neutral material can visit those blogs easily enough. Could the links section be trimmed somewhat? Phr 11:09, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

Links not used as sources can be listed in the External links section http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia%3AManual_of_Style_%28links%29

You seem to have overlooked the "favorable" links from your trim request --- why link to a non-loading archive of Hill's 2004 campaign web site while Hill has an active campaign web site at http://www.matthewlistens.com  ?

The archive link is used to source the mention of Hill's work at the radio station (the article now uses the footnote citation style to make it easy to match up statements with cites). Some other reliable source may well be preferable to the web archive, so if you know of one, feel free to change the cite. But biographies of living people, especially when not all the info is sympathetic, is one of the most paranoia-fraught areas of Wikipedia right now, so please be very careful about sourcing. See Daniel Brandt for an example of a carefully sourced biographical article: the depth of annotation all by itself should give you an idea of what we're up against.

I'll try to respond about the other stuff in the next day or so (I'm spending too much time on wiki right now). We're in a situation where nobody working on this article is really a fan of the guy, so it's easy for the article to become one-sided, and we have to take it on ourselves to watch out for that. Remember that Wikipedia is an altruistic project to produce and give away an encyclopedia of the highest possible quality and neutrality; pressing particular agendas in articles may satisfy an urge but it diminishes the project, so please don't abuse the altruism that way. (And please don't kid yourself that anything that's objectively true is automatically neutral. You know better. Imagine a similar level of editing to this article but done by a fundie--you'd find it completely slanted). Phr 21:55, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

restored critical blog links

I'm about to restore the links to the two critical blogs, removed by 65.40.234.169 (talk · contribs) (I left a note on that address's talk page). It's legitimate to include a pointer to criticism in a bio article; if there's a supporter site (besides the campaign site), that should be added, instead of deleting the critic link.

The article still needs cleanup, in particular if the radio station stuff is relevant then it should be explained in the article. Can you folks take care of it? I got here sort of by accident and don't want to stay involved for too much longer. My main wish is that the article stays neutral and verifiable per Wikipedia policy and doesn't take on a partisan slant in either direction.

Btw, I'm sorry if anyone felt jumped on during the early editing of this article. It was a little bit strange to have these anonymous POV edits show up as soon as the article was created, and the response was probably a little too unfriendly. Phr 17:57, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

Not a "B" Class article

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Pharmaceutical industry section

Why does this biographical article about Matthew Hill contain a history of several pharmaceutical companies? The section mentions Hoechst AG, Marion Merrill Dow, Nutrinova, King Pharmaceuticals, etc. Controversies about the companies are discussed extensively. However, that information has little to do with Matthew Hill. The section needs to be slimmed down to only include properly sourced information directly related to Matthew Hill. Additionally, the first paragraph asserts that "During both his 2004 and 2006 political campaigns, Rep. Hill has accepted many generous campaign contributions from former King Pharmaceuticals, Inc. CEO and current Leitner Pharmaceuticals, LLC CEO John M. Gregory, Gregory family members, and corporate executives employed within both the King and Leitner pharmaceutical companies founded by Gregory." This statement is completely unsourced. WP:BLP states that unsources contentious material about living persons must be "removed immediately and without discussion." Due to the fact that this is a biography of a living person, I have immediately made the following changes to the pharmaceutical section:

• All information not directly related to Matthew Hill has been removed
• The unsourced information about campaign contributions has been removed

That leaves one paragraph left--the paragraph about the location of the companies for which Matthew Hill works. If someone finds a source for the claim about the campaign contributions, feel free to insert it into the section. Until a source is found, however, that information must be left out. Your thoughts on the new, shorter section? --SirEditALot (talk • contribs) 01:03, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

American Indian?

I checked out the article after it was mentioned on the BLP board. It seems a little unusual to use the expression "American Indian" now days. Isn't "Native American" more normal? Steve Dufour 01:35, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

And is being home-schooled so remarkable that it should be the first thing said about him? Steve Dufour 03:39, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

1 week page protection

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King Pharmaceuticals

Why has the King Pharmaceuticals part been removed? Considering it is probably the most notable part of this person. http://www.timesnews.net/article.php?id=9002447 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.183.138.211 (talk) 08:08, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

Partisan deletion of Hoechst, Gregory references in Matthew Hill article

• • The Rep. Matthew Hill article contained limited references to the pharmaceutical industry due to the Tennessee state representatives close financial ties to former King Pharmaceuticals Inc. CEO John M. Gregory, such as:

• the majority of Hill's campaign contributions during the early election years in question came directly from John Gregory, Gregory family members, Gregory relatives or indirectly from political action committees that Gregory created (such as the former Tennessee Conservative PAC) or contributed money (such as the former State of Franklin PAC started up by Hill's father);
• the Hill father, Kenneth C. Hill manages both a non-profit Appalachian Educational Communications Corporation (d.b.a. WHCB FM et al) and for-profit Information Communications Corporation (d.b.a. WPWT AM et al), and both radio broadcasting entities are physically located within the Leitner Pharmaceuticals Building that is owned by John M. Gregory's SJ Strategic Investments, LLC.;
• according to the referenced SEC records, at the time of Gregory's leadership at King Pharmaceuticals, King Pharma created the subsidiary Monarch Pharmaceuticals;
• Gregory's Monarch Pharmaceuticals formed a U.S. business partnership with Hoechst Marion Russell, Inc. (HMR; a subsidiary of the giant German pharmaceutical,Hoechst AG), acquiring the U.S. marketing and distribution rights to Altace and other Hoechst/HMR branded pharmaceutical products during late December 1998, and thereby allowing HMR to the circumvent the 1994 U.S. National Right to Life Boycott (over RU-486) against Hoechst AG, HMR, and the HMR branded products such as Altace;
• Hoechst AG was able to rebrand its corporate identity and the Hoechst public "persona" during January 1999 by reorganizing and merging with other large pharmaceutical companies and form new corporate identities, and one benefit of such corporate reorganization was to move the Hoechst corporate identity out of the public association with the RU-486 abortion drug;
• a corporate jet owned by King Pharmaceuticals, Inc. was used to transport several members of the Tennessee General Assembly (albeit, in 1999 and not including Rep. Matthew Hill but relevant to inclusion with the supporting Gregory material) for a Nashville meeting with a then TennCare director prior to the then newly Monarch Pharmaceuticals branded Altace being added to the TennCare Preferred Drug List;
• Gregory (et al family members) is notable and widely referenced as a majority contributor to the Tennessee Republican Party and the Republican National Committee and contributor to anti-abortion organizations;
• Rep. Hill is notable for his advocation of anti-abortion legislation within the Tennessee General Assembly,and;
• all of the aforementioned materials pertaining to the limited Hoechst pharmaceuticals history were pertinent to the Rep. Matthew Hill article and all were referenced from published sources and/or government records.

Bee Cliff River Slob (talk) 14:32, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

I am not opposed to working some of this information back into the article. In fact, it's a good idea as long as (1) we use published sources, like you said, and (2) we don't violate Wikipedia:No_original_research, particularly the part that says no "unpublished analysis or synthesis of published material". What are some of the sources you suggest using? Let me know if you want help. --SirEditALot (talk • contribs) 00:32, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

• • The abovemention items were all referenced in the 16:05, 24 August 2007 version (one that I picked at random from the article history) from published sources and/or government web sites (U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission posting of King Pharmaceuticals ownership reports) of this article...Bee Cliff River Slob (talk) 18:41, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

Tenn.'s English Speach Law...

What the hell: I didn't think what came out of Tennessee mouths was English to begin with.

What happens when someone from Germany or China comes over to a Tennessee work-place to buy some stuff from Tennessee, and not being able to speak Tennessee... err... English, they are not allowed to speak and therefore "No Deal"?

Modern English? American English (what dialect)? Olde English? Can I use words that aren't really English but have only been incorporated into the English Language from some other language? Wait -- That last one leaves out just about all of English anyway!!!

How about Sign Language?!?!?!? Now that'd hardly be fair, would it!!!!!

Why don't we just get rid of ALL the Legislatures EVERYWHERE! If they can only argue about dumb shit like this...

... well, this is one particularly DUMB Legislator...

Scheisse... Oh, wait -- that wasn't English?

-- Herr Schueffert

P.S. -- So. You'd not be able to speak your own name if it's like mine: German?! Go do something useful, Matthew; you do play golf don't you? That should be an improvement -- and golf's just about the most useless thing in the world.

97.82.164.200 (talk) 06:13, 22 November 2010 (UTC)

Matthew Hill protesting the U.S. military during Kosovo War

Matthew Hill participated in the April 17, 1999 Bristol protest rally coordinated with International Action Center international protests against the U.S. military intervention during the Kosovo War.Bee Cliff River Slob (talk) 12:40, 15 April 2013 (UTC)

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