Talk:New York

Beyonce

There is a song by Beyonce, New York. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:44B8:802:1100:BD39:BF3D:4E16:FEF0 (talk) 17:40, 4 April 2019 (UTC)

Can't find that in our full list of songs recorded by Beyoncé. Maybe you heard this from another singer? — JFG ^talk 18:49, 29 May 2019 (UTC)

Doesn't exist. The IP is probably thinking of "Empire State of Mind" by Beyoncé's husband Jay-Z and Alicia Keys. Beyoncé had nothing to do with it. oknazevad (talk) 20:07, 29 May 2019 (UTC)

Maybe you mean Taylor Swift? She wrote a song called Welcome to New York. --2601:1C2:4D00:9310:38BB:6E91:53CA:AE2E (talk) 22:36, 28 April 2020 (UTC)

New York, New York

There once, until 1898, was a city with this name - a pretty big and important city. WP has no article on "New York, New York". Manhattan isn't it, it's a geographical name, and New York County isn't it. There isn't even a subheading of an article on "New York, New York". And I thought I was making a tiny contribution by adding here that "New York" could be a reference to that former city. But @Bkonrad: took it right out.

What do others think? deisenbe (talk) 14:42, 29 February 2020 (UTC)

As with other cities, Wikipedia takes the view that one settlement has evolved over time from the English arrival or even earlier. New York City#History briefly covers boundary changes and the succession of municipal corporations, with deeper dives in articles such as History of New York City (1855–1897). But the theme is that these are episodes in the history of one entity, rather than separate entities which have replaced one another. Certes (talk) 15:56, 29 February 2020 (UTC)

Exactly. New York City expanded for absorb formerly separate municipalities, but it's still the same city. Even from a legal standpoint the modern incorporated city is the continuation in interest of all legal obligations that predate the 1898 consolidation. The modern city is that city, it just grew up and got bigger. oknazevad (talk) 16:47, 29 February 2020 (UTC)

Perhaps someone knows this better than me, I'm no expert, but legally, New York City post-1898 is a different entity than New York pre-1899. They existed under completely different legislation, different charters, in essence. The former city "New York" went out of existence legally at the same time that the cities of Brooklyn and Long Island City did. "New York City" did not exist as such before 1898, so History of New York City (1855-1897) is misnamed. That period is pre-history of New York City. deisenbe (talk) 20:43, 29 February 2020 (UTC)

The law enacted to create the greater city of New York consolidated all of the existing municipalities in that area with the existing city of New York. There is clearly continuity of the legal entity of the city of New York before and after, even though the new charter introduced dramatic changes. older ≠ wiser 21:16, 29 February 2020 (UTC)

Requested move 4 March 2024

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: withdrawn. (non-admin closure) Dan Bloch (talk) 20:52, 4 March 2024 (UTC)

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New York → New York (disambiguation) – There was a large move request in 2017 that voted in the move of the title. However, New York should be the location of the article of the state, and not the disambig. I even have no idea why such consensus was enacted? The title needs to be reviewed. Toadette ^{(Let's discuss together!)} 07:49, 4 March 2024 (UTC)

@ToadetteEdit can you click follow the [show] link above in the Frequently Asked Questions box, and then follow the link to Talk:New_York/Archive 1#Requested move 7 July 2017, and then address the points raised there as an introduction to this new discussion? --Joy (talk) 10:29, 4 March 2024 (UTC)

Note: WikiProject New York (state) has been notified of this discussion. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 11:49, 4 March 2024 (UTC)

Note: WikiProject United States has been notified of this discussion. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 11:49, 4 March 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose. Urggh, really? If anything, the city is primary over the state for the raw term New York when considering page views and common usage worldwide. Also, 75% of clicks from the disambiguation page are for the city. But ultimately the status quo we established in 2017 is fine. It balances the differing claims of the city and state without issue. We expended literally years of time and effort on getting the state article moved away from the base name, and the discussion which eventually found consensus was one of the most well-attended RMs in history. All the reasons which were given for that consensus back then still apply, and there is less than zero reason to go anywhere near this again. If the OP really has "no idea why such consensus was enacted" then perhaps a good read of the whole discussion at Talk:New York/Archive 1#Requested move 7 July 2017 would have been useful before filing the RM...  — Amakuru (talk) 16:36, 4 March 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose IMHO, most uses of simply "New York" mean the city not the state, but enough uses mean the latter, so having "New York" be a disambiguation page seems right to me. —Quantling (talk | contribs) 17:49, 4 March 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose per the outcome of the exhaustively thorough previous discussion. BD2412 T 18:13, 4 March 2024 (UTC)
• I am now withdrawing this nomination. TL; DR the opposes here and supports there are so confusing, but I guess it will never be moved at all. Toadette ^{(Let's discuss together!)} 18:38, 4 March 2024 (UTC)

  Can somebody explain briefly all about the nomination, and all those supports? The nomination statement is too long to understand. Toadette ^{(Let's discuss together!)} 18:59, 4 March 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose if anything the city is primary. Its far better known and it actually called just "New York" even though its naturally disambiguated as "New York City" like Britannica. The AP Stylebook, Google Maps and Pandemic all American based call the city just "New York". Crouch, Swale (talk) 19:51, 4 March 2024 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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