Talk:Persian Socialist Soviet Republic

Soviet Republic of Gilan

in every source i look this is the widely used name, another unjustified action by alexbakharev, his protections, deletions, and other actions could not be justified. --Parthava (talk) 06:11, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

• The move-war over the title of the article is unacceptable. Please file WP:RM and lets see the consensus of the cummunity. I for one has no opinion of my own Alex Bakharev (talk) 07:48, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

I agree, all sources I have seen refer it to 'Republic of Gilan'. Therefore the title should be changed to this as well. What is the basis for 'Persian Socialist Soviet Republic', is it for romantic reasons? Asdf169 (talk) 16:04, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

checking background

Jeske Couriano was asking what was up, so I went and dug up all the details. AFAICT the only person doing page moves away from Republic of Gilan was User:CreazySuit [1].

This is a user who was originally permabanned, and now under mentorship [2].

I don't see what RFM (request for mediation) would be good for? Who would be mediating with who?

In this case, it seems like Creazysuit probably moved the page against consensus anyway.

My reccomendation is this: if Creazysuit is still available to defend his actions at the time, perhaps we could ask him/her? Creazysuits mentor should be able to ensure we can reach a credible consensus.

If that is not possible, my suggestion is to just move the page back where it came from. --Kim Bruning (talk) 23:22, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

• Just to mention the sources I have: Modern Iran by Ali Ansari refers to it as the Gilan Republic and Dilip Hiro in Iran Today as the Republic of Gilan.
  While Britannica state from their article on Gilan: These events led to the growth of nationalist movements, and contingents recruited from Tabriz, Gīlān, and Isfahan liberated Tehrān, with the result that Aḥmad Mīrzā, son of Shāh Moḥammad Alī, was proclaimed ruler. In the aftermath of the Russian Revolution, Bolshevik troops had control of almost the entire Iranian Caspian seacoast, and a separatist group proclaimed the short-lived Soviet Socialist Republic of Gīlān. In the treaty of 1921 the Soviet Union handed back the region around Enzeli and gave Iran equal navigation rights on the Caspian Sea. Asdf169 (talk) 14:20, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

^^^ Forgot to add, I propose changing it to the Soviet Socialist Republic of Gīlān, just wondering what other wikipedians think? Asdf169 (talk) 14:38, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

Requested move to "Republic of Gilan"

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The result of the move request was page not moved. —harej (talk) (cool!) 09:02, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

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Persian Socialist Soviet Republic → Republic of Gilan —

• Support: Per Above, Many of academical sources refer to it as Republic of Gilan, A simple search in google also shows that exact term of "Republic of Gilan" has multiple times more results than any other name. Parthava (talk) 21:43, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

I haven't actually seen any recent opposition on the talk page. Is anyone particularly opposed? --Kim Bruning (talk) 11:07, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

I agree to the change, reasons given above Asdf169 (talk) 15:02, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

If the sources listed in the section above are representative, then proceed with a move to a better name. Wikipedia titles are not always official names or even contemporaneous names if other names are more common in current scholarship or are less ambiguous. (Cf. Fujian People's Government which was officially the "Republic of China.") — AjaxSmack 15:40, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

• Oppose: The most common name in academia is not "Soviet Socialist Republic of Gilan", It only generates 52 hits on google books [3], while "Soviet Socialist Republic of Iran" generates 142 hits [4] and "Persian Soviet Socialist Republic" and "Persian Soviet Republic" generate together more than 100 hits. So the page should either stay at current title, or be moved to "Soviet Socialist Republic of Iran". --Wayiran (talk) 15:19, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

So, this means you agree to move it to "Republic of Gilan", Since Iran's Socialist movement is completely a distinct thing, Still today many of people have it's imagination, either Soviet Movement supported at USSR era. --Parthava (talk) 21:34, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

• Oppose:Although I don't know what is the result of google search , but I do think that is useless because official name may hit less numbers in test , as USA may have more hits than United States of America. The official name of that state in Gilan , Mazandaran and Ardabil , was جمهوری شوروی سوسیالیستی ایران that means Iranian soviet republic .Same about "Third Reich " versus "Nazi Germany" ( which Third Reich may have more hit ) --Alborz Fallah (talk) 18:26, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

Republic of Gilan, or Gilan Republic was the most common term used by Mirza Kechik Khen Jingili, if we want to consider the truth --Parthava (talk) 21:34, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

I'm not sure about Mirza using that term . That is obvious in their stamps : Iranian revolutionary post. And many other documents in books ( that are not online , but as example the book "Sardar Jangal " written by mirfakhrayi ) . --Alborz Fallah (talk) 15:59, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

If we are going by Google books, these are the figures:

"Soviet Socialist Republic of Iran" - 142 hits
"Soviet Republic of Iran" - 16 hits
"Soviet Socialist Republic of Gilan" - 58 hits
"Republic of Gilan" - 503 hits [used this name from the source I found above]
"Gilan Republic" - 222 hits [used this name from the source I found above]
"Soviet Republic of Gilan" - 354 hits
"Persian Soviet Socialist Republic" - 48 hits
"Persian Soviet Republic" - 28 hits
"Soviet Republic of Persia" - 3 hits
I still support a name change either to the Soviet Republic of Gilan or the Soviet Socialist Republic of Gilan. To the Alborz Fallah, do you have a source for the 'official name' you have given? Asdf169 (talk) 18:53, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

Well , yes I have . Still there are many official documents with that title . One example ( out of many ) is the simple picture in the page Mirza Kuchik Khan :

Council of Iranian republic in right upper corner , and Mirza's signature in page

--Alborz Fallah (talk) 16:12, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

what? Persian Republic?! in any where we know that this republic name is "Republic of Gilan", please correct this article name.--AminSanaei (talk) 04:05, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

• Strong Support: Ha? Persian? Whos persians? People of Gilan called Gilak and their language is gilaki, not persian and this Republic was in Gilan province. Why persian? Its name is Republic of Gilan or Soviet Republic of Gilan. please change it to original name. varg_hashish —Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.110.117.253 (talk) 18:03, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

• Canvassing alert: User:Parthava has been canvassing editors from Gilaki Wikipedia project with a message asking to "vote for Republic of Gilan". [5], [6], [7] --Wayiran (talk) 22:32, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

Thank you for bringing that to our attention. Fortunately, we're not voting today, so I'm not worried about canvassing. I think Parthava's instinct to get input from the Gilaki Wikipedia is a good one. After all, we might expect editors on the the Gilaki Wikipedia to know a thing or two about the subject. ;-)

Now I'm not really interested in seeing lots of people saying "support" or even "oppose". I'd rather build consensus.

*for those who think we shouldn't move:

• Is it possible to convince you that moving might be a good idea?
• Or will you convince us that your position is, in fact, more correct than ours? :-) --Kim Bruning (talk) 10:32, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

• any were of the world this republic name come before "gilan" name. we gilak people think that foundation of English Wikipedia is on trust. please change this article name--AminSanaei (talk) 18:31, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

• Oppose per Alborz Fallah. Aubergine (talk) 22:59, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

I'll leave the templates in, just to teach folks why you shouldn't use requested moves. ;-)

Would folks care to comment on what Alborz Fallah is saying?

--Kim Bruning (talk) 23:59, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

Huh, why was a decision made so quickly? There are still a few issues. If Alborz Fallah is saying that the Soviet Socialist Republic of Iran is the correct and prominent name (which I still disagree with), and not Soviet Republic of Gilan/Gilan Republic. What is the reasoning of keeping the article at its current name.
I suggest, as a compromise, changing the article to its 'official name' while mentioning that (Soviet) Republic of Gilan and Gilan Republic were also prominent names in use as well. What do others feel about this? Asdf169 (talk) 15:11, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

I think both Persian Soviet Socialist Republic or Iranian Soviet Socialist Republic , are equivalent in Persian language .The problem is in translating the name ایران (Iran) in Persian language to English language : As it is mentioned in Iran naming convention , before 21 March 1935, the westerners tend to translate it as Persia , and after that the term Iran is more dominant . Inside Iran , the word Iran has always been dominant and the word Persia only points to Fars province , but anyway , in the time of that republic , the word Persia was dominant in English language . Then now what is the answer of our dilemma ? --Alborz Fallah (talk) 17:10, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

And about the compromise , we are not talking about the text , but we are talking about the move ! But if it is so important for you to mention Gilan in the text , consider it as done , because the first sentence of the text has the part : "widely known as the Soviet Republic of Gilan"....--Alborz Fallah (talk) 17:15, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

• Canvassing alert: I know who sent mass spam messages to many of whom not involved in the issue, and their argument is nonsense things, If not so, We have two distinguishable subjects, So I'm going to start a new article "Republic of Gilan". Since this article is for the Persian Socialist Movements. --Parthava (talk) 03:18, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

Dear users, user:Parthava only wanted to inform us in the gilaki wikipedia, because there are many people in that wiki whose knowledge in this issue was imprtant to notice, and it was not at all something like Canvassing. The name Republic of Gilan is the most used name for this Republic nowadays, even in Iran's history books taught in the schools it is refered to Republic of Gilan. It is the most common name. if you use google books search , You 'll find 494 results for " Republic of gilan", while there is only 42 results for " Persian Socialist Soviet Republic" or 133 results for "Soviet Socialist Republic of iran" . The current name is misleading, it says persian republic as if it included all of Iran, but we all know that this republic was limited to the borders of Gilan. Also see this --sicaspi 07:45, 31 July 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sicaspi (talk • contribs)

Gilan Socialist Soviet Republic is right word.--محک (talk) 19:04, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

Soviet Republic of Gilan is known not the current title.--Orartu (talk) 04:21, 5 November 2011 (UTC)

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What is persian republic?! are you kidding me? who has said this name? هؤی (talk) 08:49, 3 January 2023 (UTC)

Most people who talk about this.

Also, there was a suggested move (which was canvassed to vote for the other party) which concluded that "Soviet Socialist Republic of Iran" had 142 hits and "Persian Soviet Socialist Republic" had 48 hits. So yeah, both names listed here are the most common names that were used to name this. 🔥Jalapeño🔥 15:32, 10 September 2023 (UTC)

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