Talk:Scarf

De-stubbed

This article appears to be of an appropriate length for the subject matter under discussion. It is also appropriately categorized and wikified.

By nature, stubbing and tagging articles devalues them, giving them an aura of unreliability and making them seem less credible. As part of my personal campaign to free up articles that have been stubbed and tagged without cause, this article has been disenstubbified.

If any editor disagrees, and would rather re-stub it than improve it by adding actual content, please discuss here. The Editrix 03:53, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

Evening Scarf

What about the evening scarf? --Username132 (talk) 23:43, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

Picture of a Scarf Wall?

Anyone able to post a picture of a 'Scarf wall' as described?

I am awaiting for a permission to use an awesome (but copyrighted) photo that there's on Flickr, and I'll post it myself when/if I get it. :) —Rotring 17:33, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

Permission granted, image posted. :) —Rotring 13:06, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

Harry Potter/Doctor Who scarf connection doubtful

"Tom Baker's Fourth Doctor on Doctor Who had a 20+-foot-long scarf as a characteristic part of his wardrobe. Such a scarf or a similar one has, since, become an icon, especially in the United Kingdom, of characters that go on long or impressive journeys, such as Harry Potter." However, elsewhere in the article: "Students in the United Kingdom traditionally wear academic scarves with distinctive combinations of striped colours identifying their individual university or college." -- In light of this, the Harry Potter/Doctor Who scarf connection seems rather dubious to me. Potter's scarf is just his school (Hogwarts} scarf, right? -- Writtenonsand 01:16, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

Wrong. These are incredibly important aspects of pop culture, especially in the Anglophone world. I recommend the immediate reintroduction to this article of both the Doctor Who and Harry Potter connexions. --66.108.53.53 (talk) 04:47, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

I agree about the Doctor Who connections being important, but I have read all seven books and watched all the current movies and I never noticed scarves being prominent, except for showing what house they were with their colors. If anything, that should be under the part about private schools. However, I added a small section about the Doctor Who scarf because of how prominent it is in pop culture. Apologies for any stupid mistakes I may have made. 66.41.61.132 (talk) 16:07, 31 December 2010 (UTC)

Article confusion

There seems to be both differences and similarities between kerchief, bandana, and several other articles. In my opinion, the bandana should have a separate article as it is an incredibly important aspect of western American dress and has unique characteristics such as special tying knots and decorative slides. They are also known more recently as cowboy "wild rags." The kerchief, bandana, scarf, neckerchief, handkerchief, do-rag and headscarf articles have many similarities and cross connections (or lack of them when they should exist). The article on the scarf shows Scout neckerchiefs in an image, but there is no link to the neckerchief article. The Scout neckerchief derived from the western American bandana as it was worn by American scout Frederick Russell Burnham (see his photos while in Africa). So there is that connection, too.
The photo of the girl here in the kerchief article is also shown on the headscarf article as an example. If "kerchief" means "to cover the head", then it is basically a headscarf. Bandanas are work as head kerchiefs by some people such as motorcyclists, in which case they are often called "head wraps", and function in a way similar to a do-rag. Also, where I live in Southern California, silk bandanas are often worn under a vaquero's hat in a similar way. Some of these things are mentioned in the do-rag article, but not in the kerchief article.
It seems that one of the articles could be used as a general article (likely Scarf), with short descriptions and links to the main, more specific articles. - Parsa (talk) 18:41, 29 July 2010 (UTC)

Spam

• http://scarftips.com/top-10-scarvesthe-scarf-started-for-a-man-perfect-by-women/

This link (to a commercial site selling scarves) was previously cited as a reference --Riitoken (talk) 14:08, 20 January 2011 (UTC)

Sport

Looks like someone with English as a second language has edited this section. Have edited so it makes sense.--Bigmeuprudeboy (talk) 15:21, 2 May 2012 (UTC)

Kremer? Really?

I'm not sure if Kremer is actually a synonym for scarf, as stated by this article. Maybe it's just not used in the United States (where I live). A quick Google search reveals the only uses of "Kremer" and "scarf" together are copy-pasted from this article, or otherwise clearly based on it, or are people with the name Kremer that were mentioned alongside the word "scarf", but don't have enough influence or mention to make it reasonable that it's an eponym[1] — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wurstmaster (talk • contribs) 16:26, 29 December 2013 (UTC)

Plural

The article gives "scarves" as the plural. Merriam-Webster online only gives "scarfs." Scholastic children's Dictionary gives both. Kdammers (talk) 04:29, 13 December 2017 (UTC)

Webster gives both. https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/scarf

Scarves is the more common form.

I changed all instances to "scarves" except where I added the alternate "scarfs" to the first sentence Amthisguy (talk) 21:59, 5 January 2023 (UTC)

History refs

There are several books listed at [2]. There's also a history on that site [3]. I'll try to see if these books are at any nearby libraries later this week. power~enwiki (π, ν) 22:00, 30 January 2018 (UTC)

No copies of those books nearby. I'll try to improve this with online refs. power~enwiki (π, ν) 21:01, 1 February 2018 (UTC)

Scarves: From Ancient Civilizations to Western Fashion

Ancient Egyptian Head Dress Scarves have been a fashion garment for centuries. As depicted in the the image linked above, scarves can be traced back to ancient Egypt. Queen Nefertiti has been identified, in several ancient artifacts, wearing a scarf adorned by a head dress. Similarly, Chinese emperors used scarves to identify a warrior's ranking within the army. Different colors and patterns determined whether a soldier belonged to a low rank or a high rank. The ancient Greeks and Romans also wore scarves to wipe away sweat. Although scarves can be traced back to our ancient ancestors, the scarves we wear today bear different meanings.

Beethoven The origins of how the scarf became a fashion icon in Europe, and later the United States, are not entirely known. It is rumored that the scarf came to Europe with Napoleon, after he returned from Egypt. Others argue that famous figures, like Beethoven and Queen Victoria, made scarves a coveted accessory in Europe. It can be inferred, however, that the reason scarves have remained a fashion icon through the ages is due to the association between scarves and royalty/power. In 1818, Beethoven wore a silk scarf as a way to impress colleagues and associates with his immaculate dress. In the mid 19th century, Queen Victoria sported the scarf, which popularized it among Europeans. Not soon after Queen Victoria's use of the scarf, Americans began wearing the iconic silk accessory. Hermes, a prominent French House, further popularized the silk scarf by making ready-to-wear garments accessible to the public. With the emergence of the ready-to-wear fashion industry and famous figures sporting scarves, the fashion accessory exploded throughout Europe and America.

Rosie The Riveter The scarf has evolved immensely from its origins. From ancient military ranking, to a sweat repellent, and then to a fashion accessory, the scarf has been used for many different purposes and continues to evolve to this day. Picking up where scarves were mainstreamed through Queen Victoria, and later ready-to-wear fashion stores, the World Wars continued to change the meaning of the scarf. Scarves transformed from a fashion garment to a practical one; economies shifted to aid the war effort. Scarves were no longer used as a chic garment but as a means to stay warm. People all around the world took up knitting in order to aid the war-effort. Scarves were knitted using cheaper fabrics, mainly cotton and linen, to keep soldiers warm as they engaged in trench warfare. After the first World War, silk scarves were back in fashion. The excess of silk after the war allowed manufacturers to make an abundance of the iconic silk scarf and market them at a cheaper price. The booming twenties, following the war, also gave a new meaning to the scarf. Scarves were not an accessory for the powerful only, everyone could afford the iconic scarf. During the depression, fashion was a secondary thought. Fashion scarves were traded in for practical linen and cotton ones. World War II reinvented the scarf in many ways. Women wore scarves to pull back their hair as they took over the roles of men in society. Pilots wore silk scarves to prevent chaffing and, once again, soldiers used scarves to keep them warm. In the decades following the second World War, scarves remained popular in Europe and America. Fashion icons, celebrities, and first ladies continued to define the scarf as a fashionable, ubiquitous accessory for all Americans.

Throughout the recent decades, famous figures like Audrey Hepburn, Jackie Kennedy, and Grace Kelly have further ingrained the idea that scarves are a symbol of power, fame, beauty and fortune. The symbolism of scarves has changed throughout the 20th and 21st centuries. During the Civil Rights movement, women wore scarves as a symbol of independence. Similarly, "Hippies" wore scarves around the head as a symbol of freedom. Scarves are so ubiquitous in current fashion that they no longer carry the symbol of wealth and fame. Today, scarves symbolize beauty, freedom, and independence. Different subcultures within Western culture have adopted the scarf through the ages as a symbol of religion, modesty, and reverence. During the course of recent history, scarves have taken on many meanings and symbols and will continue to be redefined.

Dreaewers12 (talk) 19:55, 20 November 2019 (UTC)

References

American or British English?

Right now the article is inconsistent and use doesn't seem to favor one over the other. Amthisguy (talk) 20:08, 5 January 2023 (UTC)

IMO: Pick one and go for it. —¿philoserf? (talk) 22:53, 5 January 2023 (UTC)