Talk:Selmer guitar

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Notable Examples

An editor has said this section is trivial and should be removed. (although there seems to be no problem listing individual stradivarius violins, for instance) Please discuss. 1Z (talk) 12:39, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

I wanted to add that in the Les Paul documentary "Chasing Sound" Les Paul shows off a Selmer guitar that was left to him by Django. No idea of the number but I believe it should be added to the list as it is perhaps the most important of the whole lot.

We can start first with the source for those guitars and a reading of Wp:Other_stuff_exists.--Adam in MO Talk 20:32, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

Or rather Wp:Other_stuff_exists. Do you consider the comparison to be 'painfully invalid'? 1Z (talk) 09:13, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

What exactly are you getting at with "painfully invalid"? I pulled the ones without sources. If they can be sourced then put them back. Lists like this aren't themselves bad, but they are magnets for or. --Adam in MO Talk 19:39, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

'Painfully invalid' is a quote from Wp:Other_stuff_exists.

Naturally you pulled the ones without sources. You are going to presume they are unverifiable and not bother looking for sources yourself 1Z (talk) 07:45, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

For users' information, as of 2014 (I think it was) this section has been replaced by one entitled "Surviving original Selmers" and turned into a proper list of known examples with sources etc., many taken from the Charle book and/or Jacques Mazzoleni's stock list past and present at http://gypsyguitars.com/ - a transfer to the web of a listing I had been accumulating for a number of years (now also with contributions from others), hope folk find it useful. BTW Les Paul's Selmer is #813 according to information contained therein. Tony 1212 (talk) 20:10, 11 August 2018 (UTC)

Innovations: Cutaway and Truss rod

The cutaway was an innovation that began with the Selmer Maccaferri's, they were the first commericially available guitars with a cutaway.This could be part of the article —Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.207.222.130 (talk) 21:49, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

Interesting but could do with a ref. There is an unreferenced comment on jazzguitars.be 1Z (talk) 15:11, 3 December 2010 (UTC)

This is not true. Gibson introduced the cutaway in 1908: http://vintage-guitars.blogspot.com/2006/01/gibson-style-o.html

And the truss rod was also a patented by Gibson as referenced by wikipedias own article on the truss rod. I wouldn't suggest that they were the first (I believe the Larson brothers had introduced the truss rod even earlier) but it is demonstrable that Selmer did not introduce either the truss rod or the cutaway.

Cutaway designs can seen on guitars at least as far back as the 19th century. The entire "innovations" section appears unsupported and largely untrue. guppyfinsoup (^talk/_contribs) 04:44, 6 November 2013 (UTC)

Stochelo Rosenberg

Stochelo sold #504 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.81.123.51 (talk) 23:03, 7 September 2011 (UTC)

To whom? 1Z (talk) 00:27, 8 September 2011 (UTC)

Not sure, some discussion on Djangobooks forum at http://www.djangobooks.com/forum/discussion/7791/selmer-504-owned-by-stochelo-rosenberg-is-for-sale/p6. I've added the archived link https://web.archive.org/web/20110829203429/http://www.eimersguitars.com/selmer504.html to the article text (no longer on the Eimers web site).Tony1212 (talk) 00:52, 25 February 2016 (UTC)

Mario Maccaferri

Would someone please create an article about Mario Maccaferri? There is an article on the Italian Wikipedia that could be translated and edited.----Design (talk) 08:53, 27 March 2015 (UTC)

For sales

I'm a little uncomfortable with the links to auction sites on the list of surviving instruments. Even though it's certainly not the intent, these do seem to me to constitute advertising. --jpgordon^{𝄢𝄆 𝄐𝄇} 19:19, 13 December 2018 (UTC)

Hmm, it is a problem for this type of instrument where they are quite rare and examples are often only documented on dealers' and auctioneers' sites rather than in printed works. I do get your point but on the other hand I believe it is a useful function here on WP to document which instruments are known (i.e.,documented in some way, and normally illustrated) and which are yet unknown. Especially when an instrument can be sold or offered for sale multiple times, it is interesting to know if it is the same instrument or different each time... For comparison, I know that Stradivarius instruments are rarer, but the same considerations would apply, i.e. proof of existence and description of an instrument in a dealer's catalogue. What do others think, I wonder... Tony 1212 (talk) 19:39, 13 December 2018 (UTC)

I'd be OK with a general exception to the "no advertising" rule specifically for rare things that are mostly recorded via auction sales. I'd be happier if there was an existing Selmer Guitar Registry that we could draw on. --jpgordon^{𝄢𝄆 𝄐𝄇} 20:34, 13 December 2018 (UTC)