Talk:Walt Kelly

What about the wife and the mistress?

It says here he had a wife. It says in the discussion on Pogo that he modeled the female skunk on his mistress. There's nothing here about his personal life. What was his personal life? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.190.42.57 (talk) 05:34, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

Issues about content, focus, sources

Instead of being about Walt Kelly, this page is in large part a rework of material exists, or properly should exist, on the Pogo page. Like that page, this is lacking citations. There's subjective language, which although well-intended and perhaps representing common beliefs, isn't appropriate to Wiki: "a landmark strip in many ways", "arguably one of the greatest and most influential of cartoonists", "defiantly hand-drawn". The comments about publication history are vague, and don't explain recent publication activity well.Alpha Ralpha Boulevard 06:49, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

I can see this has been an issue for some time. The edits made today, and the tags put in place, are a start toward addressing this article's many issues about encyclopedic tone and standards.--Tenebrae (talk) 23:09, 21 August 2010 (UTC)

Policy/guideline violations by 64.236.243.16

This is a copy a post I have placed at User talk:64.236.243.16, concerning issues that have been raised on this page since 2007:

To whoever involved with this IP address blanket-reverted Walt Kelly with the uncivil edit summary "Prev. edits added nothing but smug condescension in place of scholarship. Pompous tagging removed," the version to which you reverted violated a number of Wikipedia policy and guidelines.

Foremost, they violated the core policy of verification, being filled with uncited and often POV claims.

They were written in an appropriately conversational, essay-like fashion that violates tone guidelines. Whole paragraphs of tribute-like trivia violated guidelines at "What Wikipdia is not". There was overuse of copyrighted images, which violate Wikipedia standards of acceptable fair use. And the blanket reversion of edits that were keeping with concerned discussion on the article's talk page smack of WP:OWN.

If the person making these edits, which violate numerous Wikipedia policies and guidelines, wishes to make constructive contributions to this encyclopedia, I would urge him or her to register and to take responsibility for his or her edits rather than lurking as an anon IP. If such disallowed edits are restored, an admin will be asked to intervene and protect the article. I am placing this same post on the Walt Kelly talk page, where any further discussion on this topic should continue.

--Tenebrae (talk) 02:11, 1 December 2010 (UTC)

Removes attribution of Snow White comic to Kelly

I removed the reference to his doing the comic book adaptation of Snow White. He did the cover for the 1944 edition of the comic (timed for the first reissue), but the content is just another reprint of the 1937 comic strip adaptation. My expert regarding this, David Gerstein, notes Kelly did pencil the 1944 "Donald Duck and the Seven Dwarfs" in Walt Disney's Comics and Stories #43 (also timed to the first reissue), but it is in no sense an adaptation of the film. Dgabbard (talk) 17:55, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

Sounds about right. Also, I added a header for this comment, since it's a different topic. Alpha Ralpha Boulevard (talk) 07:40, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

Political Views

It says he preferred Ike to Stevenson, and Truman to Dewey. There's no source cited for any of this. It may very well be true, but how about some attribution? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.131.142.97 (talk) 06:35, 12 October 2010 (UTC)

Senate Hearing?

In Michael Chabon's "The Amazing Adventures of Kavalier and Clay, brief mention is made of Kelly testifying at a senate hearing on the deleterious effects of comic books on American youth. Is there factual basis to this scene? Does it bear mentioning on this page? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.227.162.205 (talk) 13:27, 21 August 2011 (UTC)

Yes, he testified at the 1954 Senate Subcommittee Hearings into Juvenile Delinquency, with the special focus on Comic Books. Here is a transcript. Maybe a link should be added to the testimony? http://www.thecomicbooks.com/kelly.html Dgabbard (talk) 18:24, 4 April 2014 (UTC)

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First Appearance of Pogo Character

An opossum named Pogo appeared in "Albert Takes the Cake," the first issue of Animal Comics, published in 1941 (not 1943). Musanim (talk) 00:14, 10 July 2013 (UTC)

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Making intro match the manual of style

The manual of style says that in cases of extremely common nicknames we do not need to give them, and we do not need to explain them. Since the title is the shortened name, we can just give the full name in the opening and do not need to explain it at all.John Pack Lambert (talk) 18:54, 12 January 2022 (UTC)

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-If Bill Gates should be listed as William Thomas Gates with no need to explain the nickname in the opening, I feel the same applies to Walt Kelly.John Pack Lambert (talk) 19:10, 12 January 2022 (UTC)